| Contract Extension - McShane 17:28 - Jan 16 with 13921 views | sweetcorn |
Hoping its Henderson penning the final deal of his career and closing the door on any potential suitors [Post edited 16 Jan 2020 17:42]
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:29 - Jan 17 with 2575 views | nordenblue |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:04 - Jan 17 by ParkinsGimp |
Good news if he can stay fit. Need to offload Delaney and McNumpty asap. |
I'd keep McNulty as long as he stays fit,excellent as back up and seems a genuinely decent chap to have around the club as an older pro |  | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:48 - Jan 17 with 2514 views | 49thseason |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:29 - Jan 17 by nordenblue |
I'd keep McNulty as long as he stays fit,excellent as back up and seems a genuinely decent chap to have around the club as an older pro |
I dont think we are in the business of paying salaries to people just because they seem like "decent chaps". If McNulty is able to play 90 minutes regularly and is better than others we might be able to sign on similar terms, fair enough. If he is no better than a younger player with a brighter future then perhaps he needs to find alternative employment when his contract expires.
If he has completed his coaching badges and has a flair for coaching and if we have a vacancy, maybe he would get a coaching contract, subject to the usual appointment processes. |  | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:52 - Jan 17 with 2500 views | DaleyBrent |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:04 - Jan 17 by ParkinsGimp |
Good news if he can stay fit. Need to offload Delaney and McNumpty asap. |
McNulty has been integral to us and solid for some time now. We've really missed him this season.Cant believe there are still McNulty haters out there! |  | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:55 - Jan 17 with 2489 views | 1907 |
McNulty was outstanding in the early part of the season. | | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:59 - Jan 17 with 2464 views | sweetcorn |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:52 - Jan 17 by DaleyBrent |
McNulty has been integral to us and solid for some time now. We've really missed him this season.Cant believe there are still McNulty haters out there! |
Look at our defensive record last season, you've hardly done him a service to say he was integral to that | |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 12:10 - Jan 17 with 2435 views | 1907 |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:59 - Jan 17 by sweetcorn |
Look at our defensive record last season, you've hardly done him a service to say he was integral to that |
Once partnered with Ebanks-Landell we improved ten fold.
The issue was who was partnered with him earlier in the season...
McGahey - one of the most over rated defenders we have ever had. | | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 12:13 - Jan 17 with 2428 views | Daley_Lama |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:04 - Jan 17 by ParkinsGimp |
Good news if he can stay fit. Need to offload Delaney and McNumpty asap. |
Please look at Rochdale’s results last season when he came back into the team.
You may notice the 4-0 and 5-0 thrashings stopped, and we conceded less goals.
As the season wore on, we won 4 of our last 6 games 1-0. At the heart of defence in each of those games.....Jim Mcnulty.
We have sorely missed him this season once more.
Edit: Same as others posts in other words, i typed s...l....o....w....l.....y [Post edited 17 Jan 2020 12:15]
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 13:07 - Jan 17 with 2297 views | nordenblue |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:48 - Jan 17 by 49thseason |
I dont think we are in the business of paying salaries to people just because they seem like "decent chaps". If McNulty is able to play 90 minutes regularly and is better than others we might be able to sign on similar terms, fair enough. If he is no better than a younger player with a brighter future then perhaps he needs to find alternative employment when his contract expires.
If he has completed his coaching badges and has a flair for coaching and if we have a vacancy, maybe he would get a coaching contract, subject to the usual appointment processes. |
You've missed the first 2 parts of my post out... let me remind you "if he stays fit" and "great back up", Jim wont be playing regularly if O'Connell and McShane stay fit that's a certainty, as I said great back up and good to have around the club... | | | |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 16:15 - Jan 17 with 2135 views | TVOS1907 |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:04 - Jan 17 by ParkinsGimp |
Good news if he can stay fit. Need to offload Delaney and McNumpty asap. |
Woooooahhhh!!
You've used the word 'good' in a post about one of our players.
Are you feeling alright? |  |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 16:30 - Jan 17 with 2088 views | DaleyBrent |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:59 - Jan 17 by sweetcorn |
Look at our defensive record last season, you've hardly done him a service to say he was integral to that |
As has been mentioned, McGahey was a huge problem for us. His pace got him out of a lot of situations. McNulty's errors were perhaps more high profile but came every 1/15 games where as McGahey was small mistakes every 15 minutes!
On a positive note, we seem to have quite a solid defensive unit to pick from now. | | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 16:37 - Jan 17 with 2063 views | D_Alien |
Let's not re-write history about McGahey
After a hesitant start, he was pretty solid for us, to the extent that he earned what (at the time) seemed to be an upwardly mobile transfer. No use citing what happened to Scunny since then - the facts as i've stated them are borne out by the largely positive regard he was held by Dale fans as evidenced in reviews of games on here
Returning to try and claim some credibility for dismissive early opinions is pretty cheap at this stage |  |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:13 - Jan 17 with 1987 views | rochedale |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 11:11 - Jan 17 by fitzochris |
Yes, but I genuinely don't think that is the type of deal he has agreed. |
Hang on a minute, 1 second you’re saying he isn’t on a pay as you play, the next, you don’t think he is. Surely, due to his fitness, lack of games, the ‘pay as you play’ kind of deal, which I mentioned, will be a big part of his deal. |  |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:15 - Jan 17 with 1979 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 16:37 - Jan 17 by D_Alien |
Let's not re-write history about McGahey
After a hesitant start, he was pretty solid for us, to the extent that he earned what (at the time) seemed to be an upwardly mobile transfer. No use citing what happened to Scunny since then - the facts as i've stated them are borne out by the largely positive regard he was held by Dale fans as evidenced in reviews of games on here
Returning to try and claim some credibility for dismissive early opinions is pretty cheap at this stage |
The only fact in your statement is that he got a move to scunthorpe, who were below us at the time and still are.
The rest is opinion and I share the same opinion of many others in that he used his pace to get him out of poor positioning. This of course made him exciting to watch and caught the eye but must've been a pain for the coaching staff and his teammates.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion also, but probably best off not calling it fact. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:18 - Jan 17 with 1962 views | fitzochris |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:13 - Jan 17 by rochedale |
Hang on a minute, 1 second you’re saying he isn’t on a pay as you play, the next, you don’t think he is. Surely, due to his fitness, lack of games, the ‘pay as you play’ kind of deal, which I mentioned, will be a big part of his deal. |
It isn’t. I know that. Believe me or don’t, it’s no skin off my nose. I’m just sharing what I know. [Post edited 17 Jan 2020 17:19]
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:21 - Jan 17 with 1942 views | 1907 |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 16:37 - Jan 17 by D_Alien |
Let's not re-write history about McGahey
After a hesitant start, he was pretty solid for us, to the extent that he earned what (at the time) seemed to be an upwardly mobile transfer. No use citing what happened to Scunny since then - the facts as i've stated them are borne out by the largely positive regard he was held by Dale fans as evidenced in reviews of games on here
Returning to try and claim some credibility for dismissive early opinions is pretty cheap at this stage |
I regarded him as extremely poor early on in his career with us, he did improve somewhat throughout his time here.
However I was not concerned at all when we sold him as I always viewed him as vastly overrated and massively over reliant on pace.
It is no surprise at all that he has made little progress since leaving.
Immediately after EEL & JMC became our centre back pairing a lot seemed to change, alongside the return of Ollie. | | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:21 - Jan 17 with 1938 views | D_Alien |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:15 - Jan 17 by VivaDonaldo |
The only fact in your statement is that he got a move to scunthorpe, who were below us at the time and still are.
The rest is opinion and I share the same opinion of many others in that he used his pace to get him out of poor positioning. This of course made him exciting to watch and caught the eye but must've been a pain for the coaching staff and his teammates.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion also, but probably best off not calling it fact. |
I was citing the FACT that there were mainly positive post-match reviews of McGahey on here on a very regular basis. He wasn't the greatest in the world but he did well for us in the main, with the odd mistake like any other defender at our level
If you disagree about that FACT, you might wish to waste your time by searching back through the Match Threads whilst he was here, but i've saved you the trouble | |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:34 - Jan 17 with 1888 views | SaxonDale |
My main frustration with McGahey was how much potential he had. He had everything physically that all our great defenders have had (with shed loads of pace as well) but never seemed to mature into the defender he should’ve been. You can imagine why he was so highly rated at Blackpool and Sheffield Utd as a youth player because you’d have hoped with game experience he could really have pushed on- unfortunately I’d wager the weaknesses he had at 19 are probably still in his game now.
The signing of McShane for me is a risk worth taking. If fit we’ve got a centre back pairing as good as any we’ve had since I can remember. As long as we have decent cover (I count McNulty and one other as that) then I think we should be ok. It also gives another ‘been there done that’ pro for our younger players, including O’Connell, to learn from.
Edit- let’s also consider the Jimmy Ryan effect in all this. We’re judging McShane on 5 or so games after a serious injury. i I wouldn’t be surprised if he kicks on even more if fully fit after getting 10 or so consecutive games under his belt. [Post edited 17 Jan 2020 17:41]
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:38 - Jan 17 with 1875 views | rochedale |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 10:53 - Jan 17 by AtThePeake |
I think it was Michael Owen at Man Utd a few years ago that was supposedly on a 'pay-as-you-play' deal as it was reported by a few media outlets. What this actually meant he was paid a relatively low wage regardless of his involvement, then big bonuses per-appearance and per-goal that took the wage to one that befitted a first-team player. I suspect this is what most people mean now when they say 'pay-as-you-play' rather than the literal, semi-pro definition where players literally don't get paid unless they play. |
That’s exactly what I meant, obviously only guessing, but would certainly make sense. | |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:44 - Jan 17 with 1854 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:21 - Jan 17 by D_Alien |
I was citing the FACT that there were mainly positive post-match reviews of McGahey on here on a very regular basis. He wasn't the greatest in the world but he did well for us in the main, with the odd mistake like any other defender at our level
If you disagree about that FACT, you might wish to waste your time by searching back through the Match Threads whilst he was here, but i've saved you the trouble |
Oh I see....
If you type something in CAPITAL LETTERS that makes it factual!
If you'd like to present the basis for your FACT then please do, until then I'll regard it as your opinion. | | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:58 - Jan 17 with 1807 views | Scunnydale |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:34 - Jan 17 by SaxonDale |
My main frustration with McGahey was how much potential he had. He had everything physically that all our great defenders have had (with shed loads of pace as well) but never seemed to mature into the defender he should’ve been. You can imagine why he was so highly rated at Blackpool and Sheffield Utd as a youth player because you’d have hoped with game experience he could really have pushed on- unfortunately I’d wager the weaknesses he had at 19 are probably still in his game now.
The signing of McShane for me is a risk worth taking. If fit we’ve got a centre back pairing as good as any we’ve had since I can remember. As long as we have decent cover (I count McNulty and one other as that) then I think we should be ok. It also gives another ‘been there done that’ pro for our younger players, including O’Connell, to learn from.
Edit- let’s also consider the Jimmy Ryan effect in all this. We’re judging McShane on 5 or so games after a serious injury. i I wouldn’t be surprised if he kicks on even more if fully fit after getting 10 or so consecutive games under his belt. [Post edited 17 Jan 2020 17:41]
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The start of your second paragraph is, for me, spot on.
We are all aware McShane has had injury problems recently, and he probably will have have them again during the next 18 months. However, he's an excellent CB who will improve our team whenever he plays.
I'd rather we took the risk of signing him than taken the risk of not bothering. Time will tell, of course. |  | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 18:33 - Jan 17 with 1716 views | scarrow |
I think we can judge mcgahey on the fact that he didn't improve scunny and has struggled in L2. |  |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 18:52 - Jan 17 with 1667 views | D_Alien |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 17:44 - Jan 17 by VivaDonaldo |
Oh I see....
If you type something in CAPITAL LETTERS that makes it factual!
If you'd like to present the basis for your FACT then please do, until then I'll regard it as your opinion. |
Give over, you know that the consensus was favourable towards McGahey
I know it's difficult to accept, when the Match Threads indicate a different opinion to yours, but they exist and can't now be gainsaid, so no point in trying | |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 19:04 - Jan 17 with 1629 views | rochedale |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 18:52 - Jan 17 by D_Alien |
Give over, you know that the consensus was favourable towards McGahey
I know it's difficult to accept, when the Match Threads indicate a different opinion to yours, but they exist and can't now be gainsaid, so no point in trying |
Well, if nothing else, I’ve learnt a new word in ‘gainsaid’ today. | |
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| Contract Extension - McShane on 19:29 - Jan 17 with 1575 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 19:04 - Jan 17 by rochedale |
Well, if nothing else, I’ve learnt a new word in ‘gainsaid’ today. |
He tends to reach for the thesaurus when he's riled.
Like I'd said he caught the eye and some fans will have appreciated his pace covering his mistakes.
I try and back all the players and support them when they're at the club but his deficiencies were there to be seen.
The opinions of others don't worry me, all I've done in this thread it's to say that I felt the things you were portraying as fact were your own opinion.
I presume you'd checked the previous posts of individuals on this thread that have expressed an opinion about McGahey so that you can assert your fact that they've changed their mind to get some kudos?
Anyway, isn't that the point of opinions? They can be reconsidered and changed based on facts? Unless the person is too pig-headed to back down that is. | | | |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 19:47 - Jan 17 with 1536 views | rochedale |
| Contract Extension - McShane on 19:29 - Jan 17 by VivaDonaldo |
He tends to reach for the thesaurus when he's riled.
Like I'd said he caught the eye and some fans will have appreciated his pace covering his mistakes.
I try and back all the players and support them when they're at the club but his deficiencies were there to be seen.
The opinions of others don't worry me, all I've done in this thread it's to say that I felt the things you were portraying as fact were your own opinion.
I presume you'd checked the previous posts of individuals on this thread that have expressed an opinion about McGahey so that you can assert your fact that they've changed their mind to get some kudos?
Anyway, isn't that the point of opinions? They can be reconsidered and changed based on facts? Unless the person is too pig-headed to back down that is. |
Erm, I didn’t realise I was portraying anything, and didn’t really check in detail other posts about McGahey as I initially posted my opinion on what I thought PS’s contract would cover, but was shot down by an in the know qualified journalist. But, seeing as you’re on about McGahey, my opinion is that he was overrated and no big loss. | |
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