| The Boro Match thread. 17:02 - Mar 10 with 28716 views | connell10 |
We need at least a draw to get things going again so I'd take a 1-2 win. |  |
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| The Boro Match thread. on 08:26 - Mar 12 with 1517 views | daveB |
First half was an absolute embarrassment. We put no pressure on their defence, Frey tried to press but no one backed him up. At the back we were wide open, the first goal they created 3 other identical chances and we did nothing to prevent them
Yang kept losing the ball but wasn't alone, Colback, Morgan and Chair every time they got it ball was lost within seconds. They pressed us well and we had no answer.
The playing out from goal kicks again ending every time in an opposition throw in or them in on goal.
If Paal scores his chanc e maybe that changes the game but second half despite the change it was more of the same, far too easy for Boro. The second goal was pathetic from Saito and Paal, just far too easy
Only slight positive was Anderson looked alright when he came on but for 70 minutes here we looked as bad as we have all season, similar to the home game against them.
Our only attacking threat again was a long throw or a high cross for Jimmy Dunne to flick on, got a million number 10's to e creative and once again they create absolutely nothing
Massive alarm bells for the rest of the season after tonight, a good opportunity to push on and finish in the top half has been pissed away |  | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:02 - Mar 12 with 1353 views | sdm1508 |
I actually think Chair being injured might be a blessing in disguise. He has had a couple of good games since he has come back and a couple of lovely assists but he is going back to old habits of trying to do too much. With him out we might have to go back to the 3 in midfield. Edwards could actually play the Sam Field role but with better ability on the ball and just sit in front of the back four. Meaning a midfield 3 of Edwards, Varane, Colback/Morgan. Morrison comes in at the back. Of if you want to keep Edwards at the back then a midfield 3 of Colback, Varane and Morgan. Morgan has lost a bit of that energy which he had before he was rested. Understandable though as he is so young. We all know there is a player there though. However, I think in a midfield 2, his role has changed slightly, he has to cover even more ground and if someone gets passed him, they are on to the back four. When he was slightly furthur forward he had that safety net of Varane or Field. |  | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:11 - Mar 12 with 1302 views | Watford_Ranger |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:02 - Mar 12 by sdm1508 |
I actually think Chair being injured might be a blessing in disguise. He has had a couple of good games since he has come back and a couple of lovely assists but he is going back to old habits of trying to do too much. With him out we might have to go back to the 3 in midfield. Edwards could actually play the Sam Field role but with better ability on the ball and just sit in front of the back four. Meaning a midfield 3 of Edwards, Varane, Colback/Morgan. Morrison comes in at the back. Of if you want to keep Edwards at the back then a midfield 3 of Colback, Varane and Morgan. Morgan has lost a bit of that energy which he had before he was rested. Understandable though as he is so young. We all know there is a player there though. However, I think in a midfield 2, his role has changed slightly, he has to cover even more ground and if someone gets passed him, they are on to the back four. When he was slightly furthur forward he had that safety net of Varane or Field. |
I fear Varane may be one of those “minor” injuries that keeps a player out for 2-3 months. Hopefully not as we ain’t winning many with Chopper Colback until he gets injured too. | | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:28 - Mar 12 with 1231 views | loftboy |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:11 - Mar 12 by Watford_Ranger |
I fear Varane may be one of those “minor” injuries that keeps a player out for 2-3 months. Hopefully not as we ain’t winning many with Chopper Colback until he gets injured too. |
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| The Boro Match thread. on 09:31 - Mar 12 with 1221 views | dm97 |
| The Boro Match thread. on 08:26 - Mar 12 by daveB |
First half was an absolute embarrassment. We put no pressure on their defence, Frey tried to press but no one backed him up. At the back we were wide open, the first goal they created 3 other identical chances and we did nothing to prevent them
Yang kept losing the ball but wasn't alone, Colback, Morgan and Chair every time they got it ball was lost within seconds. They pressed us well and we had no answer.
The playing out from goal kicks again ending every time in an opposition throw in or them in on goal.
If Paal scores his chanc e maybe that changes the game but second half despite the change it was more of the same, far too easy for Boro. The second goal was pathetic from Saito and Paal, just far too easy
Only slight positive was Anderson looked alright when he came on but for 70 minutes here we looked as bad as we have all season, similar to the home game against them.
Our only attacking threat again was a long throw or a high cross for Jimmy Dunne to flick on, got a million number 10's to e creative and once again they create absolutely nothing
Massive alarm bells for the rest of the season after tonight, a good opportunity to push on and finish in the top half has been pissed away |
Stoke Cardiff Oxford in a row (2 away) after international break. Don’t start to pick up some points in that run and it will get very hairy very quickly.
We’ve tried to open up and it’s gone horribly wrong again. We don’t have the players for it, especially in deep areas. I don’t know how many more times I can watch Cook pass a ball at snails pace to Dunne, who then has no option on and chips it into the channel for their LCB to collect.
This squad needs so much work to play that way, and it’s a pointless task trying to do it with players who simply aren’t good enough on the ball. |  | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:32 - Mar 12 with 1211 views | mart_Goblin |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:11 - Mar 12 by Watford_Ranger |
I fear Varane may be one of those “minor” injuries that keeps a player out for 2-3 months. Hopefully not as we ain’t winning many with Chopper Colback until he gets injured too. |
Was thinking exactly the same thing earlier this morning . Like Dembele’s minor knock which was an op and most of the season out .
Varane isn’t a world beater by any means and has so much to learn at not such a young age but we really miss his snd Sam Fields presence in that midfield hole .
With Colback surely going this summer it’s going to be a huge bit of recruitment in that area in the summer . As keeps being mentioned , you don’t win many games if you don’t win the midfield battle.
We didn’t just lose that last night we got annihilated until Edwards stepped in . |  | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:39 - Mar 12 with 1152 views | Logman |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:02 - Mar 12 by sdm1508 |
I actually think Chair being injured might be a blessing in disguise. He has had a couple of good games since he has come back and a couple of lovely assists but he is going back to old habits of trying to do too much. With him out we might have to go back to the 3 in midfield. Edwards could actually play the Sam Field role but with better ability on the ball and just sit in front of the back four. Meaning a midfield 3 of Edwards, Varane, Colback/Morgan. Morrison comes in at the back. Of if you want to keep Edwards at the back then a midfield 3 of Colback, Varane and Morgan. Morgan has lost a bit of that energy which he had before he was rested. Understandable though as he is so young. We all know there is a player there though. However, I think in a midfield 2, his role has changed slightly, he has to cover even more ground and if someone gets passed him, they are on to the back four. When he was slightly furthur forward he had that safety net of Varane or Field. |
Morgan should have been rested last night. It is an indictment on Madsen that he cannot step in and allow Morgan to rest. He is a kid (Morgan). He should be learning his trade and maturing in the Devt Squad, not shouldering the responsibility of carrying our midfield in away games against top 6 Championship teams. Need Andersen and Madsen to step up and actually do what they are being paid big bucks to do. | | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:39 - Mar 12 with 1154 views | TheChef |
| The Boro Match thread. on 00:33 - Mar 12 by Ned_Kennedys |
The break will make no difference: in fact we are usually worse after having a period with no games. I don’t buy that they are knackered: with the lack of running around and hard yards put in compared to most of the teams we play they should be fine. |
Exactly I think we tend to be even worse after an international break - undercooked and unfocused. And given the three games after Leeds are against teams currently below us... |  |
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| The Boro Match thread. on 09:43 - Mar 12 with 1132 views | loftboy |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:39 - Mar 12 by Logman |
Morgan should have been rested last night. It is an indictment on Madsen that he cannot step in and allow Morgan to rest. He is a kid (Morgan). He should be learning his trade and maturing in the Devt Squad, not shouldering the responsibility of carrying our midfield in away games against top 6 Championship teams. Need Andersen and Madsen to step up and actually do what they are being paid big bucks to do. |
I thought Anderson looked okay when he came on last night, if he can reproduce a bit of the form he showed last season it would be a bonus. | |
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| The Boro Match thread. on 09:53 - Mar 12 with 1063 views | Beckenhamhoop |
I’ve never known a manager get such a free pass from supporters after so many terrible performances. | | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:54 - Mar 12 with 1056 views | R_from_afar |
| The Boro Match thread. on 07:40 - Mar 12 by mart_Goblin |
Haven’t been able to accuse some of our players of that no matter how bad we’ve been at times but I got that impression from a few last night .
That midfield was just so non existent and that includes the wide players , that I couldn’t really believe what I was watching . Genuinely annoyed for the travelling fans .
You take your chances following the this team around because we might be out played by better teams but a hint or a whiff of a lack of commitment and desire ? That’s unacceptable |
I couldn't believe the number of times we had bodies in the right place but they weren't tracking or tackling properly. There was so little pressing and intensity.
There were many times when we had players close enough to tackle the Boro player but our man just let the opponent drift past. Madsen did this - because of course - but when Colback, your highly experienced defensive midfielder also does it, well, that's deeply worrying.
Oh, and the shooting! Man alive! We don't create many clear cut chances but unlike most other teams with the same problem, our finishing is shocking.
The common theme here is that we too often don't get the basics right. Marking, tracking, pressing, tackling, passing and shooting accurately....
Perhaps these things are too dull for our coaches to focus on, or beneath the players, or both.
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| The Boro Match thread. on 09:55 - Mar 12 with 1044 views | TheChef |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:02 - Mar 12 by sdm1508 |
I actually think Chair being injured might be a blessing in disguise. He has had a couple of good games since he has come back and a couple of lovely assists but he is going back to old habits of trying to do too much. With him out we might have to go back to the 3 in midfield. Edwards could actually play the Sam Field role but with better ability on the ball and just sit in front of the back four. Meaning a midfield 3 of Edwards, Varane, Colback/Morgan. Morrison comes in at the back. Of if you want to keep Edwards at the back then a midfield 3 of Colback, Varane and Morgan. Morgan has lost a bit of that energy which he had before he was rested. Understandable though as he is so young. We all know there is a player there though. However, I think in a midfield 2, his role has changed slightly, he has to cover even more ground and if someone gets passed him, they are on to the back four. When he was slightly furthur forward he had that safety net of Varane or Field. |
Yes I mentioned this on another thread. And good point about Edwards with Field missing; Morrison can come in to start with Cook, surely?
And it's not the first time Chair coming back into a winning team has upset the apple cart - see a few seasons back when he returned from AFCON... | |
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| The Boro Match thread. on 10:47 - Mar 12 with 852 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:53 - Mar 12 by Beckenhamhoop |
I’ve never known a manager get such a free pass from supporters after so many terrible performances. |
It’s a fair point.
We can moan about individual players but Cifuentes sets them up and has seemingly decided to go back to selections and tactics that just don’t work with the squad we have available.
Bad news that Chair is injured but hopefully it means Cifuentes will be pragmatic and replace him with Edwards in midfield and Morrison at the back. |  | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 11:08 - Mar 12 with 791 views | eastside_r |
| The Boro Match thread. on 09:53 - Mar 12 by Beckenhamhoop |
I’ve never known a manager get such a free pass from supporters after so many terrible performances. |
Don’t completely agree because he has earned lots of credit, but you have a point.
Insisting on keep playing out from the back as we are doing, clearly is not working as we don’t have the players to carry it off. But this is clearly a managerial instruction.
Time to resurrect the ‘Begovic’ Dunne out ball? |  | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 11:13 - Mar 12 with 749 views | TheChef |
| The Boro Match thread. on 11:08 - Mar 12 by eastside_r |
Don’t completely agree because he has earned lots of credit, but you have a point.
Insisting on keep playing out from the back as we are doing, clearly is not working as we don’t have the players to carry it off. But this is clearly a managerial instruction.
Time to resurrect the ‘Begovic’ Dunne out ball? |
Poor old Jimmy still has PTSD from that in the Bournemouth cup game! | |
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| The Boro Match thread. on 12:54 - Mar 12 with 512 views | lassel |
Not really much to say that hasn’t been said.
Frey trying to press their defence, fair play to him for trying but it’s like trying to win an F1 race in a Reliant Robin.
Morgan has been a credit to himself this season but he’s gone from playing 20 games a season in PL2 to 3 game weeks - the kid is knackered and would surely be rested if we could.
Colback and Cook pathetic as the supposed experienced spine - have to hope that they’ve both had enough and don’t want to hang around next year.
Dunne at his best a serviceable stopgap at RB now a complete liability and Paal on the other side repeating the understandable phoning in of a season that neither side wanted to be stuck with.
The saving grace at least is that we aren’t going down but it obviously makes the rest of the season a frustrating throw away | | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 12:54 - Mar 12 with 504 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| The Boro Match thread. on 02:03 - Mar 12 by VancouverHoop |
So, what then are the reasons why players who've been competitive over a long spread of matches go off the boil, other than fatigue? |
Mentality, desire, commitment, confidence, loss of form, niggles, injuries, tactics, formations, personnel, talent, etc. There's any number of reasons why a team can lose or gain form.
The truth probably lies in a combination of the above factors but for me mentality is top of the list. This bunch aren't inconsistent in the traditional sense. They go on long losing runs followed by long winning runs followed by long losing runs and so it continues. When they're in the mire they pull their their fingers out. As soon as they get comfortable their fingers go back in. Well, they're going to have pull them out once more if they're to avoid being dragged into a relegation dogfight. [Post edited 12 Mar 13:40]
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| The Boro Match thread. on 13:08 - Mar 12 with 477 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| The Boro Match thread. on 12:54 - Mar 12 by lassel |
Not really much to say that hasn’t been said.
Frey trying to press their defence, fair play to him for trying but it’s like trying to win an F1 race in a Reliant Robin.
Morgan has been a credit to himself this season but he’s gone from playing 20 games a season in PL2 to 3 game weeks - the kid is knackered and would surely be rested if we could.
Colback and Cook pathetic as the supposed experienced spine - have to hope that they’ve both had enough and don’t want to hang around next year.
Dunne at his best a serviceable stopgap at RB now a complete liability and Paal on the other side repeating the understandable phoning in of a season that neither side wanted to be stuck with.
The saving grace at least is that we aren’t going down but it obviously makes the rest of the season a frustrating throw away |
Excellent post espiceally the Dunne and Paal section. Jimmy got done again like multiple times for their first goal and Paal was horrible in all 3 areas ( defense, corners and point blank critical miss) as he has been all season. Not offloading him last Summer was the start of this incredible disapointing season and there wont be many takers now I fear
Marti can say what he wants but his players keep falling behind then losing a second goal then trying in vain to get a draw we are not good enough across the board |  | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 13:14 - Mar 12 with 466 views | Rangers67 |
| The Boro Match thread. on 21:09 - Mar 11 by rbee |
Are you talking about the whole team or certain individuals? |
Well both really. If you look at the Boro players then nearly everyone of them was more up for it than our guys. We have too many powder puff players who when confronted with even a 60/40 tackle in their favour bottle out. Their players were intent at running at our players or passing forward ( how about that as a novel idea ). Some of our players look to shift responsibility as soon as possible.
There was also a lack of leadership from the more experienced players last night through not getting stuck in . To finish a match playing like that with no yellow cards to some might be acceptable, to me its criminal. Do they not realise 400 odd people made that trip last night and to be served up with that is unacceptable.
OK we have some players coming back from injury and some not good enough but that is never an excuse for lack of effort and bollox which is what we saw last night.
Lastly if Paal is a pro footballer so is my mum | | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 13:19 - Mar 12 with 445 views | JamesB1979 |
We can moan about him not passing forwards but last 2 games have shown how important it is for us to have Varane in that holding /defensive role in front of the back 4. The best performances that I have watched this season have been with him in it and I’d say the worst have been with him not in side. | | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 13:24 - Mar 12 with 427 views | kensalriser |
For all of the above we could still have come away with a decent point had we taken any of the presentable chances offered to Paal, Morgan and Nardi. Our shooting is absolutely woeful (obviously Nardi gets a pass here). |  |
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| The Boro Match thread. on 13:46 - Mar 12 with 355 views | TheChef |
| The Boro Match thread. on 12:54 - Mar 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
Mentality, desire, commitment, confidence, loss of form, niggles, injuries, tactics, formations, personnel, talent, etc. There's any number of reasons why a team can lose or gain form.
The truth probably lies in a combination of the above factors but for me mentality is top of the list. This bunch aren't inconsistent in the traditional sense. They go on long losing runs followed by long winning runs followed by long losing runs and so it continues. When they're in the mire they pull their their fingers out. As soon as they get comfortable their fingers go back in. Well, they're going to have pull them out once more if they're to avoid being dragged into a relegation dogfight. [Post edited 12 Mar 13:40]
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And yet those long losing/winning runs go back several seasons to Ollie's last stint, with totally different squads.
Is there something in the water at LR / the training ground?? | |
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| The Boro Match thread. on 13:50 - Mar 12 with 332 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| The Boro Match thread. on 10:47 - Mar 12 by Ned_Kennedys |
It’s a fair point.
We can moan about individual players but Cifuentes sets them up and has seemingly decided to go back to selections and tactics that just don’t work with the squad we have available.
Bad news that Chair is injured but hopefully it means Cifuentes will be pragmatic and replace him with Edwards in midfield and Morrison at the back. |
It could actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise. I like Chair but he's been very ineffective this season and the experiment with him playing as a 10 hasn't really worked. It'll be interesting to see whether Marti persists with the same tactics by just replacing Chair with Dembele or if he decides it's time to go pragmatic once more in order to mathematically secure our Championship status asap. | | | |
| The Boro Match thread. on 13:53 - Mar 12 with 318 views | TheChef |
| The Boro Match thread. on 13:50 - Mar 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
It could actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise. I like Chair but he's been very ineffective this season and the experiment with him playing as a 10 hasn't really worked. It'll be interesting to see whether Marti persists with the same tactics by just replacing Chair with Dembele or if he decides it's time to go pragmatic once more in order to mathematically secure our Championship status asap. |
If he thinks playing at home v Leeds we can fight fire with fire, then I think he's sadly mistaken.
Sadly I am wondering if he is the man to take us forward if he doesn't learn what the Championship is about. [Post edited 12 Mar 14:44]
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| The Boro Match thread. on 13:57 - Mar 12 with 302 views | GaryHaddock |
| The Boro Match thread. on 13:50 - Mar 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
It could actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise. I like Chair but he's been very ineffective this season and the experiment with him playing as a 10 hasn't really worked. It'll be interesting to see whether Marti persists with the same tactics by just replacing Chair with Dembele or if he decides it's time to go pragmatic once more in order to mathematically secure our Championship status asap. |
However effective Chair is perceived to be, he’s still our leading assist maker.
Would be the wrong place to start IMO. |  | | |
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