| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. 09:39 - Jan 27 with 1253 views | GRIM |
It's amazing that Bournemouth are such a successful club with their financial limitations due to ground capacity.
It was only a few years ago that the fans were collecting money in buckets to keep the club afloat.
This just proves a point that get the right owners & the right principles running through the club then you can over achieve.
They are playing fantastic aggressive football & getting the results that their performances deserve & currently with most of the players out injured.
I will add that David Brooks is playing some great stuff for them & last season RM was reluctant to use him & we made no effort to keep him.
But it worked in his favour because he's too good to be wasting his time at St Mary's.
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 10:02 - Jan 27 with 1193 views | green |
I think they got lucky with the timing of FFP rules though. They have very rich backers and they were able to spend in a way that newly promoted clubs aren't any more.
They have also done really well on recruitment, they have bought and sold well.
By contrast we spent a lot of money in 22/23 on the likes of Bazunu, Caleta Carr, Larios, Mara etc. |  | | |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 10:08 - Jan 27 with 1161 views | saintmark1976 |
You’ve answered your own question Grim :-
Because they are not run by a collection of totally inept no hopers, known collectively as Sports Republic.
Individually out of their depth if they were singularly each stood in a puddle. | |
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 10:12 - Jan 27 with 1155 views | PatfromPoole |
The big thing for them was that they unfortunately managed to get back up within 2 seasons of being relegated last time round.
If they had not done that, I suspect they would be in League 1 now, where they belong.
But yeah, their recruitment, both of managers and players is a million miles ahead of us.
They still have the likes of Alex Scott to call on, who has hardly played this season, but is the sort of player we should have been all over; from Guernsey and played in our youth team.
They will doubtless lose their manager and the likes of Semenyo, Huijsen and Zabarnyi within the next year or two.
But they always seem to be able to replace them without weakening the side.
It pains me that they are going to get into Europe. |  |
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 10:52 - Jan 27 with 1102 views | PaleRider |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 10:08 - Jan 27 by saintmark1976 |
You’ve answered your own question Grim :-
Because they are not run by a collection of totally inept no hopers, known collectively as Sports Republic.
Individually out of their depth if they were singularly each stood in a puddle. |
I think the solution is for Sport Republic to stop this ludicrous multi-club model - which seems to benefit none of the clubs, with the possible exception of Goztepe who seem to be able to source players via Saints (although I think that this is a marginal benefit). I can't actually think of any multi-club models that bring benefit to all the clubs involved as a result of being part of the model.
My solution would be for the clubs to be run completely separately (although they could still have the same parent company). Ankersen could then focus solely on Goztepe, Kraft on Valenciennes and Solak on Saints (his biggest investment) with a competent DoF who understands English football. | | | |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 11:03 - Jan 27 with 1086 views | dirk_doone |
I have been looking at their transfer activity and the people involved in their recruitment. There's no simple answer.
It wasn't that long ago that they were taking the likes of Shane Long and Jack Stephens on loan from us.
They have sold some good players too, like Aaron Ramsdale, Callum Wilson, Nathan Ake and Dominic Solanke. The Solanke fee has funded their recent recruitment.
This is their current recruitment team:
Phil Antwi is the Head of Emerging Talent 1st Team Recruitment
Joshua Dorlikar: Academy Head of Recruitment
Lewis Prior: Lead First Team Recruitment Analyst
Carl Robson: Head of International Scouting
Antwi has only been in the job 4 months but he appears to be focusing on young West African footballers at the moment.
Carl Robson, who's in charge of their international scouting, studied Leisure Management at Solent University in Southampton.
Lewis Prior is their 'Black Box' man and he appears to be, like Paul Mitchell was here, the key to it all. His background doesn't stand out. He studied at the University of Chichester and used to be the Portsmouth U16 Ladies' coach. But, if I were looking to replicate Bournemouth's success, he's the man I'd poach from them.
As to Prior's strategy, it is similar to Mitchell's. He looks at small/medium clubs, mostly in Europe, and analyses who their best young players are. Most people with a professional football background wouldn't do that; they'd look for players who'd already proved they could do it at a higher level.
Dango Quattara, who scored a hat-trick in their last game, is a typical example of the players he targets. He comes from Ouagadougou in Burkina Fasso, a place that doesn't have a record of selling footballers for big fees. He went to a small club in France, Lorient, and soon became their rising star. That's when Lewis Prior and Bournemouth pounced, in the January 2023 transfer window, before any of the big clubs had even noticed him.
Lewis Prior would also be the man who pinpointed their latest manager. Andoni Iraola, who was managing small European clubs, Larnaca, Mirandes and Rayo Vallecano, and so had not yet reached the attention of the big clubs (again the same strategy).
To sum up, Bournemouth target players and managers who've been successful at small clubs in Europe, who most people here are unaware of, whereas Saints target players and managers who've been mediocre or failures at medium/big clubs, especially in England, where they are already well known. Our recent managers are good examples. Jones and Martin were mediocre at Championship clubs and Juric failed at one of the biggest clubs in Italy. Bournemouth would have steered well clear of them. They buy success; we buy failure.
Ankersen' recruitment strategy - Embrace Failure: recruit people who've failed in the past because they'll have learned from their mistakes - is the fatal flaw which has led to our spectacular failure.
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 11:16 - Jan 27 with 1049 views | PatfromPoole |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 11:03 - Jan 27 by dirk_doone |
I have been looking at their transfer activity and the people involved in their recruitment. There's no simple answer.
It wasn't that long ago that they were taking the likes of Shane Long and Jack Stephens on loan from us.
They have sold some good players too, like Aaron Ramsdale, Callum Wilson, Nathan Ake and Dominic Solanke. The Solanke fee has funded their recent recruitment.
This is their current recruitment team:
Phil Antwi is the Head of Emerging Talent 1st Team Recruitment
Joshua Dorlikar: Academy Head of Recruitment
Lewis Prior: Lead First Team Recruitment Analyst
Carl Robson: Head of International Scouting
Antwi has only been in the job 4 months but he appears to be focusing on young West African footballers at the moment.
Carl Robson, who's in charge of their international scouting, studied Leisure Management at Solent University in Southampton.
Lewis Prior is their 'Black Box' man and he appears to be, like Paul Mitchell was here, the key to it all. His background doesn't stand out. He studied at the University of Chichester and used to be the Portsmouth U16 Ladies' coach. But, if I were looking to replicate Bournemouth's success, he's the man I'd poach from them.
As to Prior's strategy, it is similar to Mitchell's. He looks at small/medium clubs, mostly in Europe, and analyses who their best young players are. Most people with a professional football background wouldn't do that; they'd look for players who'd already proved they could do it at a higher level.
Dango Quattara, who scored a hat-trick in their last game, is a typical example of the players he targets. He comes from Ouagadougou in Burkina Fasso, a place that doesn't have a record of selling footballers for big fees. He went to a small club in France, Lorient, and soon became their rising star. That's when Lewis Prior and Bournemouth pounced, in the January 2023 transfer window, before any of the big clubs had even noticed him.
Lewis Prior would also be the man who pinpointed their latest manager. Andoni Iraola, who was managing small European clubs, Larnaca, Mirandes and Rayo Vallecano, and so had not yet reached the attention of the big clubs (again the same strategy).
To sum up, Bournemouth target players and managers who've been successful at small clubs in Europe, who most people here are unaware of, whereas Saints target players and managers who've been mediocre or failures at medium/big clubs, especially in England, where they are already well known. Our recent managers are good examples. Jones and Martin were mediocre at Championship clubs and Juric failed at one of the biggest clubs in Italy. Bournemouth would have steered well clear of them. They buy success; we buy failure.
Ankersen' recruitment strategy - Embrace Failure: recruit people who've failed in the past because they'll have learned from their mistakes - is the fatal flaw which has led to our spectacular failure.
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Boscombe's owner also has a stake in L'Orient....
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/23701113.afc-bournemouth-fc-lorient-mult | |
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 11:17 - Jan 27 with 1037 views | PatfromPoole |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 11:03 - Jan 27 by dirk_doone |
I have been looking at their transfer activity and the people involved in their recruitment. There's no simple answer.
It wasn't that long ago that they were taking the likes of Shane Long and Jack Stephens on loan from us.
They have sold some good players too, like Aaron Ramsdale, Callum Wilson, Nathan Ake and Dominic Solanke. The Solanke fee has funded their recent recruitment.
This is their current recruitment team:
Phil Antwi is the Head of Emerging Talent 1st Team Recruitment
Joshua Dorlikar: Academy Head of Recruitment
Lewis Prior: Lead First Team Recruitment Analyst
Carl Robson: Head of International Scouting
Antwi has only been in the job 4 months but he appears to be focusing on young West African footballers at the moment.
Carl Robson, who's in charge of their international scouting, studied Leisure Management at Solent University in Southampton.
Lewis Prior is their 'Black Box' man and he appears to be, like Paul Mitchell was here, the key to it all. His background doesn't stand out. He studied at the University of Chichester and used to be the Portsmouth U16 Ladies' coach. But, if I were looking to replicate Bournemouth's success, he's the man I'd poach from them.
As to Prior's strategy, it is similar to Mitchell's. He looks at small/medium clubs, mostly in Europe, and analyses who their best young players are. Most people with a professional football background wouldn't do that; they'd look for players who'd already proved they could do it at a higher level.
Dango Quattara, who scored a hat-trick in their last game, is a typical example of the players he targets. He comes from Ouagadougou in Burkina Fasso, a place that doesn't have a record of selling footballers for big fees. He went to a small club in France, Lorient, and soon became their rising star. That's when Lewis Prior and Bournemouth pounced, in the January 2023 transfer window, before any of the big clubs had even noticed him.
Lewis Prior would also be the man who pinpointed their latest manager. Andoni Iraola, who was managing small European clubs, Larnaca, Mirandes and Rayo Vallecano, and so had not yet reached the attention of the big clubs (again the same strategy).
To sum up, Bournemouth target players and managers who've been successful at small clubs in Europe, who most people here are unaware of, whereas Saints target players and managers who've been mediocre or failures at medium/big clubs, especially in England, where they are already well known. Our recent managers are good examples. Jones and Martin were mediocre at Championship clubs and Juric failed at one of the biggest clubs in Italy. Bournemouth would have steered well clear of them. They buy success; we buy failure.
Ankersen' recruitment strategy - Embrace Failure: recruit people who've failed in the past because they'll have learned from their mistakes - is the fatal flaw which has led to our spectacular failure.
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They also have a highly-renowned Football Operations Director, Tiago Pinto.
I guess he didn't have problems getting a work permit..... | |
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 11:25 - Jan 27 with 1010 views | dirk_doone |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 11:17 - Jan 27 by PatfromPoole |
They also have a highly-renowned Football Operations Director, Tiago Pinto.
I guess he didn't have problems getting a work permit..... |
I know it's not very glamorous and a bit geekish, but it's that Black Box analyst, Lewis Prior, who's the man behind it all, just as Paul Mitchell was here.
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 12:25 - Jan 27 with 887 views | 1teeminants |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 10:12 - Jan 27 by PatfromPoole |
The big thing for them was that they unfortunately managed to get back up within 2 seasons of being relegated last time round.
If they had not done that, I suspect they would be in League 1 now, where they belong.
But yeah, their recruitment, both of managers and players is a million miles ahead of us.
They still have the likes of Alex Scott to call on, who has hardly played this season, but is the sort of player we should have been all over; from Guernsey and played in our youth team.
They will doubtless lose their manager and the likes of Semenyo, Huijsen and Zabarnyi within the next year or two.
But they always seem to be able to replace them without weakening the side.
It pains me that they are going to get into Europe. |
I was browsing the cherries forum yesterday just to get a feel for how they’re all feeling. Most of them were dreading losing all their best players and manager very soon .
Let’s face it as I’ve said many times, there’s only 6 clubs that win anything major in this country so any teams top talent will eventually move to clubs that do win things. |  |
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 14:20 - Jan 27 with 763 views | Berber |
So you could forget about the fans entirely. You will get c2k visiting fans, so only need 9k Southampton fans to turn up, and there would be, no matter how much they hiked the prices. Brentford too do remarkably well with a tiny stadium, but a larger merchandise base.
Let’s not promote this idea too much eh? |  |
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 15:57 - Jan 27 with 688 views | saint901 |
The fans turning up every other week ceased to be a significant proportion of overall income, many seasons ago.
In 22/23, B'muff averaged £210k in ticket sales, per match. That's around £4m a year.
Overall turnover was £141m.
They do have a good back room staff from talent spotting to analysis to business. | | | |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 17:54 - Jan 27 with 616 views | TripleNiemi |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 10:02 - Jan 27 by green |
I think they got lucky with the timing of FFP rules though. They have very rich backers and they were able to spend in a way that newly promoted clubs aren't any more.
They have also done really well on recruitment, they have bought and sold well.
By contrast we spent a lot of money in 22/23 on the likes of Bazunu, Caleta Carr, Larios, Mara etc. |
Recruitment is key. A couple of duff signings and then the wheels come off the bus very quickly. We had our five minutes of fame under Koeman / Kat and then punctured the tyres. [Post edited 27 Jan 17:56]
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| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 18:19 - Jan 27 with 574 views | GRIM |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 15:57 - Jan 27 by saint901 |
The fans turning up every other week ceased to be a significant proportion of overall income, many seasons ago.
In 22/23, B'muff averaged £210k in ticket sales, per match. That's around £4m a year.
Overall turnover was £141m.
They do have a good back room staff from talent spotting to analysis to business. |
Point taken but, we virtually fill our stadium
Which equates to approx 3 x the Bournemouth gate receipts.
Surely that gives us a better annual income than them, difference being we just waste ours on rubbish Managers & Players. | | | |
| If Bournemouth can do it with gates of 11,000 why can't we. on 10:05 - Jan 28 with 323 views | saint901 |
No doubt we have a better match day revenue but we also have other sources and I suspect that the proportion of game day income to overall income is not so very far from the numbers I quoted.
The important number to consider is how many people buy the merch.
Marketing 101 is that people buy merch from successful brands and presently we are not and B'muff are. | | | |
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