| Labour MPs on 09:15 - Oct 28 with 892 views | onehunglow |
| Labour MPs on 09:08 - Oct 28 by lifelong |
Does that include Police Officers on night shift? |
Ask Keith.
He’s ex job too. |  |
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| Labour MPs on 09:16 - Oct 28 with 890 views | lifelong |
| Labour MPs on 09:15 - Oct 28 by onehunglow |
Ask Keith.
He’s ex job too. |
Only a joke old bean.👍 |  | | |
| Labour MPs on 09:25 - Oct 28 with 865 views | onehunglow |
| Labour MPs on 09:16 - Oct 28 by lifelong |
Only a joke old bean.👍 |
Ok.
Chum
It looks bad for him.
What’s made it worse is his goading him having knocked him ground.
We’ve been in situations like that
If you have to defend yourself ,best not to gloat,as he did .
Frodsham is quite well to do and not exactly a night spot . Very odd | |
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| Labour MPs on 09:30 - Oct 28 with 860 views | lifelong |
| Labour MPs on 09:25 - Oct 28 by onehunglow |
Ok.
Chum
It looks bad for him.
What’s made it worse is his goading him having knocked him ground.
We’ve been in situations like that
If you have to defend yourself ,best not to gloat,as he did .
Frodsham is quite well to do and not exactly a night spot . Very odd |
As somebody has already said, hitting him once in self defence he would probably have a case, it’s the repeated hitting when he was down is the problem. | | | |
| Labour MPs on 09:33 - Oct 28 with 850 views | onehunglow |
| Labour MPs on 09:30 - Oct 28 by lifelong |
As somebody has already said, hitting him once in self defence he would probably have a case, it’s the repeated hitting when he was down is the problem. |
Stupid mate.
He could well have binned his career right there .
It’s what excessive drinking does
The chap he hit could have banged his head and it could have given him head injuries.
Those parking areas are cobbled stones too and uneven . | |
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| Labour MPs on 09:49 - Oct 28 with 838 views | majorraglan |
| Labour MPs on 08:40 - Oct 28 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Starmer should have no say on police and CPS action. But after the riots he was talking about people being put through the courts quickly and had claimed credit for the 'response' to the riots. |
He talked about putting people through the criminal justice system because that’s the lesson he learned from being DPP back in 2011 when we had the last major riots, and let’s be honest getting people through the Court system quickly is absolutely 100% the right thing to do - the riots came to a swift conclusion hen people saw the rioters being sent down.
In terms of getting people through the Criminal Justice system quickly, the criminal justice system was overhauled a number of years ago and there are now strict time limits for the police to submit files of evidence after charge. Time limits also apply at the Crown Court, any cases transferred to the Crown Court from the Magistrates Court have to be heard within a fixed time. When the case is heard at the Crown a plea is submitted, this provides the defendant with the chance to plead guilty and gain the maximum discount credit on their sentence. These are the reasons we’ve seen swift sentencing take place.
I can envisage a situation where Starmer would say I want the police to prioritise the investigation of the riots and I think any PM and Hone Secretary would do the same, but the reality is that once someone is in the criminal justice system the early stages move very quickly. Waiting for a full blown trial is another matter. | | | |
| Labour MPs on 10:00 - Oct 28 with 836 views | Whiterockin |
If a person gets a prison sentence of over 12 months they lose their seat. If it goes to court Amesbury will get no more than a suspended sentence, it's then up to Labour what they do, if anything. The constituents will do nothing because he has a large Labour majority. It will probably mean no decent position for him in government and he has to live with his actions, that's all. |  | | |
| Labour MPs on 10:07 - Oct 28 with 824 views | onehunglow |
| Labour MPs on 10:00 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
If a person gets a prison sentence of over 12 months they lose their seat. If it goes to court Amesbury will get no more than a suspended sentence, it's then up to Labour what they do, if anything. The constituents will do nothing because he has a large Labour majority. It will probably mean no decent position for him in government and he has to live with his actions, that's all. |
I see it that way too.
You have to truly cause significant damage to get an immediate custodial .
I don’t think he did .
Incredibly ,looks wise,Frodsham is no Labour heartland . It’s the Runcorn but that changes the dynamics of the constituency ,which is a new creation . | |
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| Labour MPs on 11:53 - Oct 28 with 772 views | majorraglan |
| Labour MPs on 10:00 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
If a person gets a prison sentence of over 12 months they lose their seat. If it goes to court Amesbury will get no more than a suspended sentence, it's then up to Labour what they do, if anything. The constituents will do nothing because he has a large Labour majority. It will probably mean no decent position for him in government and he has to live with his actions, that's all. |
He does have a large majority, but we’ve seen bigger swings than that in bye elections. Politicians are held in low esteem and I suspect there’ll be enough voters out there ready to vote him out. If he’s potted and Labour do nothing, they’ll end up in a position like the Conservatives found themselves in with the Owen Patterson business. Boris tried to sweep it under the carpet by changing the rules, but there was a public outcry and Patterson was toast. Boris was damaged by that and the Conservatives were subsequently continuously associated with sleaze. | | | |
| Labour MPs on 13:45 - Oct 28 with 736 views | raynor94 |
I'm not up on sentencing guidelines, but I'm amazed that some who know far more than me on this subject are saying if charged and convicted he would face a suspended sentence.
To sucker punch and then continue beating whilst the victim was on the floor, and then to return and scream at victim, he deserves time in my book |  |
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| Labour MPs on 14:16 - Oct 28 with 724 views | Whiterockin |
| Labour MPs on 13:45 - Oct 28 by raynor94 |
I'm not up on sentencing guidelines, but I'm amazed that some who know far more than me on this subject are saying if charged and convicted he would face a suspended sentence.
To sucker punch and then continue beating whilst the victim was on the floor, and then to return and scream at victim, he deserves time in my book |
It happens every night on Wind St and they rarely go down unless there are previous convictions. | | | |
| Labour MPs on 15:04 - Oct 28 with 697 views | union_jack |
| Labour MPs on 13:45 - Oct 28 by raynor94 |
I'm not up on sentencing guidelines, but I'm amazed that some who know far more than me on this subject are saying if charged and convicted he would face a suspended sentence.
To sucker punch and then continue beating whilst the victim was on the floor, and then to return and scream at victim, he deserves time in my book |
Totally agree. Even if others have received suspended sentences this fella should be made an example out of. The repercussions of him effectively ‘getting off’ could be massive. |  |
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| Labour MPs on 15:40 - Oct 28 with 668 views | majorraglan |
| Labour MPs on 13:45 - Oct 28 by raynor94 |
I'm not up on sentencing guidelines, but I'm amazed that some who know far more than me on this subject are saying if charged and convicted he would face a suspended sentence.
To sucker punch and then continue beating whilst the victim was on the floor, and then to return and scream at victim, he deserves time in my book |
Dr Winston made a couple of good points (as he invariably always does) yesterday afternoon. What I’ve seen looks out of order and excessive, but we may not be privy to everything that’s gone on before.
If the MP can make the case that the acts were reasonable acts of self defence, he may not even get charged. A guy I used to know once told me that he once kicked someone in the head, was taken to Court and was acquitted. He argued it was self defence, the other guy was off it on drink/drugs and that the kick was the only way of protecting himself. Maybe on another day the jury or magistrates wouldn’t buy it, but on the day he was in Court they believed him. | | | |
| Labour MPs on 16:04 - Oct 28 with 640 views | union_jack |
| Labour MPs on 15:40 - Oct 28 by majorraglan |
Dr Winston made a couple of good points (as he invariably always does) yesterday afternoon. What I’ve seen looks out of order and excessive, but we may not be privy to everything that’s gone on before.
If the MP can make the case that the acts were reasonable acts of self defence, he may not even get charged. A guy I used to know once told me that he once kicked someone in the head, was taken to Court and was acquitted. He argued it was self defence, the other guy was off it on drink/drugs and that the kick was the only way of protecting himself. Maybe on another day the jury or magistrates wouldn’t buy it, but on the day he was in Court they believed him. |
Have you seen the various angles of the attack?
No signs of a physical attack and a sucker punch followed up by a barrage of punches whilst on the floor. It doesn’t matter if he was insulted by words, it was unreasonable force whichever way you look at it. He should have walked away but he looked three sheets to the wind and not in control.
This is a custodial sentence in waiting. Well, it should be. | |
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| Labour MPs on 16:12 - Oct 28 with 628 views | controversial_jack |
It didn,t look like self defence to me, but I think he will just about escape a custodial sentence | | | |
| Labour MPs on 17:09 - Oct 28 with 575 views | union_jack |
| Labour MPs on 16:12 - Oct 28 by controversial_jack |
It didn,t look like self defence to me, but I think he will just about escape a custodial sentence |
Unless he was about to blast him with his laser eyes there’s no way that was self defence.
Maybe for the one punch he could get away with a suspended sentence, though given his position I’d still say he should go down. But for the prolonged attack whilst the guy was on the floor should see him banged up. | |
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| Labour MPs on 18:17 - Oct 28 with 518 views | majorraglan |
| Labour MPs on 16:04 - Oct 28 by union_jack |
Have you seen the various angles of the attack?
No signs of a physical attack and a sucker punch followed up by a barrage of punches whilst on the floor. It doesn’t matter if he was insulted by words, it was unreasonable force whichever way you look at it. He should have walked away but he looked three sheets to the wind and not in control.
This is a custodial sentence in waiting. Well, it should be. |
I’ve seen a few videos, but whether that’s everything I don’t know.
I’ve previously said it looks out of order and it’ll be down to the MP to demonstrate that the actions were reasonable. If the “victim” tells the MP I’ve got a knife in my pocket and I’m going to stab you and the MP believes that’s he’s about to be stabbed then the MP’s actions could be justified. How many people are going to wait to be stabbed? If the MP just walloped the guy because he didn’t like the cut of his gib then that’s unlikely to be self defence. | | | |
| Labour MPs on 18:35 - Oct 28 with 499 views | controversial_jack |
| Labour MPs on 18:17 - Oct 28 by majorraglan |
I’ve seen a few videos, but whether that’s everything I don’t know.
I’ve previously said it looks out of order and it’ll be down to the MP to demonstrate that the actions were reasonable. If the “victim” tells the MP I’ve got a knife in my pocket and I’m going to stab you and the MP believes that’s he’s about to be stabbed then the MP’s actions could be justified. How many people are going to wait to be stabbed? If the MP just walloped the guy because he didn’t like the cut of his gib then that’s unlikely to be self defence. |
Any sustained attack wouldn't be self defence, as he could have walked away after flooring the guy | | | |
| Labour MPs on 18:35 - Oct 28 with 501 views | Whiterockin |
| Labour MPs on 18:17 - Oct 28 by majorraglan |
I’ve seen a few videos, but whether that’s everything I don’t know.
I’ve previously said it looks out of order and it’ll be down to the MP to demonstrate that the actions were reasonable. If the “victim” tells the MP I’ve got a knife in my pocket and I’m going to stab you and the MP believes that’s he’s about to be stabbed then the MP’s actions could be justified. How many people are going to wait to be stabbed? If the MP just walloped the guy because he didn’t like the cut of his gib then that’s unlikely to be self defence. |
What if he told him Labour was doing a shite job and layed into him regarding politics and policies and it got heated. [Post edited 28 Oct 18:36]
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| Labour MPs on 19:01 - Oct 28 with 467 views | majorraglan |
| Labour MPs on 18:35 - Oct 28 by controversial_jack |
Any sustained attack wouldn't be self defence, as he could have walked away after flooring the guy |
Not necessarily. If felt the guy was going to get up and come after him then he could use such force as is necessary to protect himself.
On the face of it the MP is out of order, but it’s far from straight forward when there are so many unknowns. [Post edited 28 Oct 19:01]
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| Labour MPs on 19:01 - Oct 28 with 464 views | union_jack |
| Labour MPs on 18:17 - Oct 28 by majorraglan |
I’ve seen a few videos, but whether that’s everything I don’t know.
I’ve previously said it looks out of order and it’ll be down to the MP to demonstrate that the actions were reasonable. If the “victim” tells the MP I’ve got a knife in my pocket and I’m going to stab you and the MP believes that’s he’s about to be stabbed then the MP’s actions could be justified. How many people are going to wait to be stabbed? If the MP just walloped the guy because he didn’t like the cut of his gib then that’s unlikely to be self defence. |
That’s a good point fair play. He could have made some vile comments about stabbing him or made reference to other MP killings and gave the impression he was holding a weapon in his pocket. That said and if that was the case, his first action after subduing him should have been to phone the police to report him not to hand himself in.
It will be interesting to see what comes out in the wash but the optics aren’t looking good fo4 him. | |
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| Labour MPs on 19:02 - Oct 28 with 462 views | majorraglan |
| Labour MPs on 18:35 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
What if he told him Labour was doing a shite job and layed into him regarding politics and policies and it got heated. [Post edited 28 Oct 18:36]
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That wouldn’t be self defence or reasonable force and the MP will get what’s coming to him. | | | |
| Labour MPs on 19:08 - Oct 28 with 452 views | majorraglan |
| Labour MPs on 19:01 - Oct 28 by union_jack |
That’s a good point fair play. He could have made some vile comments about stabbing him or made reference to other MP killings and gave the impression he was holding a weapon in his pocket. That said and if that was the case, his first action after subduing him should have been to phone the police to report him not to hand himself in.
It will be interesting to see what comes out in the wash but the optics aren’t looking good fo4 him. |
I think it’s fairly safe to say the MP will be shelling out some of his not so hard earned on a top quality brief or two.
The quality of the police investigation and the witness testimony will be crucial. | | | |
| Labour MPs on 19:29 - Oct 28 with 421 views | Whiterockin |
| Labour MPs on 19:08 - Oct 28 by majorraglan |
I think it’s fairly safe to say the MP will be shelling out some of his not so hard earned on a top quality brief or two.
The quality of the police investigation and the witness testimony will be crucial. |
The couple of witnesses standing there will be key, depending on whose "friends" they were. | | | |
| Labour MPs on 20:08 - Oct 28 with 399 views | raynor94 |
| Labour MPs on 18:35 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
What if he told him Labour was doing a shite job and layed into him regarding politics and policies and it got heated. [Post edited 28 Oct 18:36]
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That's exactly what he did, the bloke was waiting for a taxi, and had a go at the mp over the fuel allowance and the closure of a local bridge.
"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me"
Not satisfied with knocking him down, punches him 5 times on the floor.
Say it again, he deserves time and kicked out of the Labour party | |
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