| Southend Match Thread 11:57 - Oct 17 with 21457 views | jonahwhereru |
Although I live in Southend I haven’t seen them this season. The people I have spoken to tell me that they are really inconsistent, and lack height. The forward that went to FGR and the centre half they had to sack have really exacerbated the situation. However their weakness is also one of ours. In that we do not score many from corners. Ferguson and Beckwith are both big lads and I would be tempted to play both on Saturday, fitness allowing.
We can beat them but will need to be on our metal as they can turn in a very good performance, like scoring 4 at Solihull.
Travelling up for the game so I hope Dale turn up and graft, if they do I think they will win. [Post edited 17 Oct 12:11]
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| Southend Match Thread on 14:18 - Oct 20 with 4155 views | D_Alien |
| Southend Match Thread on 14:15 - Oct 20 by 49thseason |
Yes, there are a number of studies on this subject and the genes that predispose some athletes to have greater jump abilities and explosive speed off the mark as well as things like predisposition to ACL injuries and a number of other sports related qualities.
https://www.open-access.bcu.ac.uk/15810/#:~:text=Three%20polymorphisms%20had%20t
There were 33 candidate gene studies and one genome-wide study, with 9642 participants across all studies (range = 43–1311; median = 227). Ninety-nine polymorphisms were assessed within 63 genes. Forty-one polymorphisms were associated with injury once. Three polymorphisms had their specific allelic associations with injury replicated twice in independent cohorts: ACTN3 (rs1815739) XX genotype was associated with an increased susceptibility to non-contact muscle injuries, ACAN (rs1516797) G allele was associated with increased susceptibility to anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injuries, and VEGFA (rs2010963) CC genotype was associated with an increased susceptibility to ACL and ligament or tendon injuries. However, several methodological issues (e.g., small sample sizes, cohort heterogeneity, and population stratification) are prevalent that limit the reliability and external validity of findings. |
Great...
So what are the odds of those at greater risk of injury disproportionately signing for Dale? |  |
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| Southend Match Thread (n/t) on 14:20 - Oct 20 with 4147 views | RippDale |
| Southend Match Thread on 12:34 - Oct 20 by James1980 |
On the subject of injuries, it is possible to be genetically predisposed to have be at elevated risk of injury. |
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| Southend Match Thread (n/t) on 14:26 - Oct 20 with 4105 views | RippDale |
| Southend Match Thread (n/t) on 14:20 - Oct 20 by RippDale |
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I have worked in football, rugby league and ballet and non contact injuries should not be happening in professional sport. In simple terms it is usually due to poor screening and lack of adequate strength and conditioning to cope with the load of the sport. Footballers are notoriously lazy and non compliant when it comes to S&C. We would never see non contact injuries in rugby or ballet | | | |
| Southend Match Thread on 14:31 - Oct 20 with 4091 views | Rodingdale |
| Southend Match Thread on 11:56 - Oct 20 by 49thseason |
The biggest problem with last night is the frustration of knowing that we have players capable of playing sublime football who simply seem to have become robotic and predictable... maybe its time to give them a break from the Platt Lane routine and have a day or two doing something else to freshen them up a bit. They must be as fit now as they will ever be, so doing the same stuff in training, day in day out is hardly adding to their abilities. Change the record Jim, take them for a hike, or a paddle on Ainsdale beach, take the pressure off and get the laughter back into them.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, assuming you want to change the results, is the definition of insanity.. Things need to change when we are at home, that much is clear, so alter the routine, change the mindset, become unpredictable, it can hardly do any harm can it? Dont just be their manager, be their leader........What would Hilly and Flicker have done when they were in their pomp? A daft night out in Manchester, the army assault course, " look after your toy soldier" underpants on the bus??? These are young men and all work and no play makes them dull....Laughter is the best medicine. |
Jim’s pre-match interview last night showed he’s a serious chap, or put it another way he takes himself very seriously. Maybe he’s the life and soul in his personal life, with friends, able to laugh at himself. Or like Co-chairman Gauge he’s ok with being fed anodyne questions, but challenge him, and he’s quick to be riled. Culture is set by leaders, we seem to continue to have a belligerent and defensive leadership style on and off the pitch. Gauges influence is diluted now by CO and that seems to be changing if reports of improvements planned are correct. Maybe Jim does have a self aware fun side, now would be a good time to show it publicly.
Saying we were beautiful against Ebbsfleet is quite funny though, now I think of it… | | | |
| Southend Match Thread on 14:41 - Oct 20 with 4049 views | jonahwhereru |
Just got back from my Rochdale visit. The game was dreadful. Neither side deserved anything from it. When we started to exert some pressure we let he momentum drift away again. Southend didn’t need to wrestle it of us. 500 mile round trip and I will just end up with grief from Southend supporters.
The only saving grace was the company of the good folk in the Comrades Club. Plus I was able to stock up with Smiths pies before it closes for the last time. | | | |
| Southend Match Thread on 14:52 - Oct 20 with 3975 views | 442Dale |
| Southend Match Thread on 14:31 - Oct 20 by Rodingdale |
Jim’s pre-match interview last night showed he’s a serious chap, or put it another way he takes himself very seriously. Maybe he’s the life and soul in his personal life, with friends, able to laugh at himself. Or like Co-chairman Gauge he’s ok with being fed anodyne questions, but challenge him, and he’s quick to be riled. Culture is set by leaders, we seem to continue to have a belligerent and defensive leadership style on and off the pitch. Gauges influence is diluted now by CO and that seems to be changing if reports of improvements planned are correct. Maybe Jim does have a self aware fun side, now would be a good time to show it publicly.
Saying we were beautiful against Ebbsfleet is quite funny though, now I think of it… |
Struggling to see any similarities between McNulty leadership and others at the club. Whatever we think about what happens in games, it’s obvious the culture that’s been created amongst the squad is good. It’s apparent after games and it’s reflected by the statement recently by Cameron Ogden.
https://rochdaleafc.co.uk/an-update-from-co-chair-cameron-ogden/ |  |
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| Southend Match Thread on 15:13 - Oct 20 with 3881 views | Rodingdale |
| Southend Match Thread on 14:52 - Oct 20 by 442Dale |
Struggling to see any similarities between McNulty leadership and others at the club. Whatever we think about what happens in games, it’s obvious the culture that’s been created amongst the squad is good. It’s apparent after games and it’s reflected by the statement recently by Cameron Ogden.
https://rochdaleafc.co.uk/an-update-from-co-chair-cameron-ogden/ |
Both are defensive to challenge, countless examples from SG, who borders aggressive when questioned. Jim asked what did we learn from throwing away a two goal lead at lowly Ebbsfleet, he said ‘nothing, his team were beautiful’. The same defensive approach. Obviously “Greg” throws pies at Jim so he doesn’t get challenged often. Dorking Dale got short shrift down at Ebbsfleet. The same defensive approach. I have no problem with say a Mourinho spouting none sense, he can, he’s won stuff. Jim would get more respect if he levelled.
By the way, I’ve read the CO update, but thanks for attaching. My main takeaway was why did it come from one of the Co-chairmen? To me it implied a lack of joined up approach, or worse that the other Co-chairman perhaps didn’t share the view. A Board update would have read much more convincingly- but we know there are those on the current board who don’t want to change. | | | |
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| Southend Match Thread on 15:24 - Oct 20 with 3772 views | 442Dale |
| Southend Match Thread on 15:13 - Oct 20 by Rodingdale |
Both are defensive to challenge, countless examples from SG, who borders aggressive when questioned. Jim asked what did we learn from throwing away a two goal lead at lowly Ebbsfleet, he said ‘nothing, his team were beautiful’. The same defensive approach. Obviously “Greg” throws pies at Jim so he doesn’t get challenged often. Dorking Dale got short shrift down at Ebbsfleet. The same defensive approach. I have no problem with say a Mourinho spouting none sense, he can, he’s won stuff. Jim would get more respect if he levelled.
By the way, I’ve read the CO update, but thanks for attaching. My main takeaway was why did it come from one of the Co-chairmen? To me it implied a lack of joined up approach, or worse that the other Co-chairman perhaps didn’t share the view. A Board update would have read much more convincingly- but we know there are those on the current board who don’t want to change. |
Just don’t think there’s any relevance between comparing Gauge and McNulty and that concentrating on what the new regime do to change the culture off the pitch is more important. We have to trust them to do that.
McNulty normally defends his team, like most managers. Look at how Barnet’s manager reacted to criticism from supporters, they then went on to win six games on the spin.
It’s also ignoring the most recent interview to claim he’s always like it, because he had criticisms last night. | |
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| Southend Match Thread on 15:47 - Oct 20 with 3706 views | bluevein64 |
| Southend Match Thread on 00:54 - Oct 20 by Sandyman |
We've heard "the scoreboard will take care of itself" recently and "the result will take care of itself" last night from Jim. It won't. The scoreboard MUST be the prime focus above any academic / coaching manual requirements. Southend won us at that aspect of the game, the most important aspect.
Wanting to show off our best under the cameras? The last 5:30 televised Saturday kick off from the COA was v Ebbsfleet last season. We were awful and lost 0-1. What happened yesterday? Go figure, Jim.
Jim is blaming individual player decisions, but they were playing to his script, a script we've seen so many times before, to our disappointment.
The point about injuries is valid, but it's for Jim to sort it out. Other managers have the same issues to deal with.
To be where we are in the table at this stage is great, but to see the most simple faults in our game repeated is not. Valuable points lost at Ebbsfleet and yesterday. We can take the odd glitch. A lot of people where I was stood were less than happy, and rightly so. Apart from 10 minutes in the second half, Dale were uninteresting and ineffectual.
We have been and can be SO much better. That's why we're in the play-off spots. I watched the clock for a period early in the second half. Dale wasted two minutes moving the ball sideways and backward in our defensive third whilst the rest of the team looked on with precious little movement or desire to progress. Not for the first time. We were losing. If your team can't be bothered to try and make a game of it, Jim, we ain't getting the aspired 5,000 regular attendees. How do we encourage friends and acquaintances to watch tippy tappy tripe like that?
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I agree with much of your post Sandy - I'd like to run with one of your points if I may, "how do we encourage friends and acquaintances to watch in your words "tippy tappy tripe like that" I've done it a few times over the years and more often than not had my fingers burnt, the blow has been softened in my case because I've always paid my friends entrance fee however, it reminds me of what I've told my builder , he's good at what he does, he's very reasonable but he's unreliable therefore, I'm unable to recommend him to family, friends and acquaintances, in response to your question - You Can't ! they'll be spending their precious free time, hard earned money on and I'll quote "tippy tappy tripe " It won't be Big Jim or the Board that they'll be pissed off with, it'll be you !
There must be 100's of loyal Dale Fan's bursting at the gut to encourage friends and family to attend Dale games and be part of promoting support, increasing the fan base, generating more revenue and improving the playing squad, but for many it's simply not worth the risk ! |  | | |
| Southend Match Thread on 16:05 - Oct 20 with 3583 views | SaxonDale |
Feels like we’ve been watching the same defeat for the last 18 months. We concede a sloppy goal and then the other team largely contains us and limits any significant period of pressure. Without looking at stats it feels like the first goal pretty much dictates the subsequent performance and ultimately result.
Key players are out who would help to change this of course, but I still think we’re short somewhere. I can’t remember too many goals we’ve scored in which we’ve broken down a team who’ve had 11 men between us and the goal. |  | | |
| Southend Match Thread on 17:28 - Oct 20 with 3340 views | Nafelad |
'Tippy tappy tripe' sums it up very well - and I'm paying £300+ a year to see it. Could we try and play at home the same as we do away, when I've had much better 'value for money'? |  |
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| Southend Match Thread on 18:15 - Oct 20 with 3242 views | James1980 |
| Southend Match Thread on 17:28 - Oct 20 by Nafelad |
'Tippy tappy tripe' sums it up very well - and I'm paying £300+ a year to see it. Could we try and play at home the same as we do away, when I've had much better 'value for money'? |
One man's tippy tappy tripe is another man's 'patient build up'. | |
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| Southend Match Thread on 18:22 - Oct 20 with 3202 views | D_Alien |
| Southend Match Thread on 18:15 - Oct 20 by James1980 |
One man's tippy tappy tripe is another man's 'patient build up'. |
If the "up" happened, we'd all be very ecstatic about it
At home, far more often than not, it doesn't
Games should be about ebb and flo; too much effing ebb, James | |
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| Southend Match Thread on 18:26 - Oct 20 with 3158 views | Nafelad |
| Southend Match Thread on 18:22 - Oct 20 by D_Alien |
If the "up" happened, we'd all be very ecstatic about it
At home, far more often than not, it doesn't
Games should be about ebb and flo; too much effing ebb, James |
Perhaps the defensive players could give us a sign to wake up when they're about to 'gerrit forrard'? | |
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| Southend Match Thread on 18:32 - Oct 20 with 3125 views | D_Alien |
| Southend Match Thread on 18:26 - Oct 20 by Nafelad |
Perhaps the defensive players could give us a sign to wake up when they're about to 'gerrit forrard'? |
Crede Signo | |
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| Southend Match Thread on 18:37 - Oct 20 with 3108 views | Nafelad |
| Southend Match Thread on 18:32 - Oct 20 by D_Alien |
Crede Signo |
I'm losing the faith!! | |
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| Southend Match Thread on 19:28 - Oct 20 with 2979 views | James1980 |
| Southend Match Thread on 18:22 - Oct 20 by D_Alien |
If the "up" happened, we'd all be very ecstatic about it
At home, far more often than not, it doesn't
Games should be about ebb and flo; too much effing ebb, James |
When is the next fans forum? Perhaps someone could ask why when we need a goal and fans are 'encouraging' the players to attack, the defence decide to do a Chuckle Brother's tribute act. | |
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| Southend Match Thread on 19:36 - Oct 20 with 2955 views | animal8 |
I have talked 4 of my mates to come to the Oldham game ,not for trouble but I said it should be a. Cracking atmosphere.with both teams playing good football..this was a few weeks ago..I am having my doubts now because if we start with a whimper against Oldham and get there fans all giddy it could turn in to a long afternoon .I want us like everyone else to get on the front foot and silence the Oldham fans and then they might not take over our town . | | | |
| Southend Match Thread on 19:44 - Oct 20 with 2919 views | Sandyman |
| Southend Match Thread on 15:47 - Oct 20 by bluevein64 |
I agree with much of your post Sandy - I'd like to run with one of your points if I may, "how do we encourage friends and acquaintances to watch in your words "tippy tappy tripe like that" I've done it a few times over the years and more often than not had my fingers burnt, the blow has been softened in my case because I've always paid my friends entrance fee however, it reminds me of what I've told my builder , he's good at what he does, he's very reasonable but he's unreliable therefore, I'm unable to recommend him to family, friends and acquaintances, in response to your question - You Can't ! they'll be spending their precious free time, hard earned money on and I'll quote "tippy tappy tripe " It won't be Big Jim or the Board that they'll be pissed off with, it'll be you !
There must be 100's of loyal Dale Fan's bursting at the gut to encourage friends and family to attend Dale games and be part of promoting support, increasing the fan base, generating more revenue and improving the playing squad, but for many it's simply not worth the risk ! |
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| Southend Match Thread on 22:34 - Oct 20 with 2474 views | Sandyman |
This image, James?
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| Southend Match Thread on 22:39 - Oct 20 with 2461 views | James1980 |
| Southend Match Thread on 22:34 - Oct 20 by Sandyman |
This image, James?
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That's it thank you | |
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| Southend Match Thread on 03:49 - Oct 21 with 2290 views | richfoad32 |
Aren't we making rather a big deal of the injury list? Off the top of my head we've been relatively lucky in recent seasons, maybe by law of averages we'd have more than our fair share eventually. Other teams have injury problems too. | | | |
| Southend Match Thread on 18:01 - Oct 21 with 1620 views | Dale_4_Life |
| Southend Match Thread on 03:49 - Oct 21 by richfoad32 |
Aren't we making rather a big deal of the injury list? Off the top of my head we've been relatively lucky in recent seasons, maybe by law of averages we'd have more than our fair share eventually. Other teams have injury problems too. |
Acknowledged that we have a few out that when fit would definitely start.
Gilmour Rodney and Tar plus Sassi & McNicholas to name 5.
We have a more than decent squad and the injury list should be a real chance for the players on the fringe to step up and cement their own place in the starting XI. When these fringe players get their chance they look really off the pace, restricted, frustrated and generally confused as to how to influence the game.
One final example is East he is a magnificent player one of the best in the division when he is driving towards goal in the final 3rd. We are not getting any value when he is almost touching hands with the Centre half on his own 18 yard line.
To finish on a positive I really did think Allarakhia was the one Dale player prepared to actually take on the Southend defenders and was our stand out shining light. We also looked more like Dale with the introduction of Henderson and McBride who sparked a little in the final 3rd.
Anyway its a local Derby in 24 hours time I am really hoping we can take the game by the scruff of the neck and play like we all know we can.
Up the Dale - I am going for a home win tomorrow to put the Saturday nightmare to bed. | | | |
| Southend Match Thread on 20:26 - Oct 21 with 1399 views | D_Alien |
| Southend Match Thread on 18:01 - Oct 21 by Dale_4_Life |
Acknowledged that we have a few out that when fit would definitely start.
Gilmour Rodney and Tar plus Sassi & McNicholas to name 5.
We have a more than decent squad and the injury list should be a real chance for the players on the fringe to step up and cement their own place in the starting XI. When these fringe players get their chance they look really off the pace, restricted, frustrated and generally confused as to how to influence the game.
One final example is East he is a magnificent player one of the best in the division when he is driving towards goal in the final 3rd. We are not getting any value when he is almost touching hands with the Centre half on his own 18 yard line.
To finish on a positive I really did think Allarakhia was the one Dale player prepared to actually take on the Southend defenders and was our stand out shining light. We also looked more like Dale with the introduction of Henderson and McBride who sparked a little in the final 3rd.
Anyway its a local Derby in 24 hours time I am really hoping we can take the game by the scruff of the neck and play like we all know we can.
Up the Dale - I am going for a home win tomorrow to put the Saturday nightmare to bed. |
Of course, a win tomorrow would be welcome, but the reaction we've seen to last Saturday isn't because we lost, it goes a lot deeper than that | |
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