| Mr Bates and the Post Office 10:31 - Jan 2 with 12594 views | onehunglow |
My Gid,the most sickening docu drama I’ve seen in years
Toby Jones simply brilliant as the guy instrumental in exposing this national scandal which saw good people made redundant ,homeless and life savings swallowed by a Post Office so inept and arrogant it’s hard to contemplate.
People died because of this
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 22:54 - Jan 9 with 1989 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 21:47 - Jan 9 by majorraglan |
Panorama has been, by and large a beacon of high quality investigative journalism for many decades.
Given this program is 8 years old you’ve got to wonder WTF has been going on and Sunak turning up late in the day is in my opinion damage limitation. [Post edited 9 Jan 21:48]
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The first cases were 'settled' in 2019, the legal process has rumbled on slowly. This is a systemic failure going over several governments and 20 years. No government can override the legal system for obvious reasons.
If we are looking for a politician to blame them Ed Davey is your man, he had several cases raised with him when he had overall responsibility and dismissed them out of hand. Sunak is responding in the same way as any PM would given the circumstances today.
Interestingly a number of CPS cases are now emerging. [Post edited 10 Jan 9:37]
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 11:18 - Jan 11 with 1889 views | KeithHaynes |
Superb.
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 11:25 - Jan 11 with 1878 views | max936 |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 11:18 - Jan 11 by KeithHaynes |
Superb.
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The arrogant T saying it was an amazing piece of Drama what an attitude to have, just shows that he couldn't give a flying one as to what these people have been through, disgusting piece of filth! |  |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 13:11 - Jan 11 with 1834 views | onehunglow |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 11:25 - Jan 11 by max936 |
The arrogant T saying it was an amazing piece of Drama what an attitude to have, just shows that he couldn't give a flying one as to what these people have been through, disgusting piece of filth! |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 16:17 - Jan 11 with 1792 views | max936 |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 13:11 - Jan 11 by onehunglow |
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It would just make me angry and seeing as its my Lads tele we watch its best I don't watch the inquiry  | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:06 - Jan 12 with 1730 views | theloneranger |
"Post Office lied and threatened BBC over Horizon whistleblower"
"Former insider Richard Roll revealed accounts on the Horizon computer system could be secretly altered."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67884743 [Post edited 12 Jan 10:08]
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:22 - Jan 12 with 1714 views | controversial_jack |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:06 - Jan 12 by theloneranger |
"Post Office lied and threatened BBC over Horizon whistleblower"
"Former insider Richard Roll revealed accounts on the Horizon computer system could be secretly altered."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67884743 [Post edited 12 Jan 10:08]
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All systems had be remotely adjusted. Engineers could do that in the industry where i worked, But they couldn't do it without procedures and overrides etc | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 13:42 - Jan 12 with 1687 views | paulmatthews |
That Angela Van Den Bogerd is a Swansea girl.Went to Cefn Hengoed with my brother in law | | | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 13:57 - Jan 12 with 1674 views | onehunglow |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 13:42 - Jan 12 by paulmatthews |
That Angela Van Den Bogerd is a Swansea girl.Went to Cefn Hengoed with my brother in law |
I’d keep quiet about that
As a I would about her being appointed Head of People by the Welsh FA [Post edited 12 Jan 13:58]
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 14:27 - Jan 12 with 1657 views | theloneranger |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 13:42 - Jan 12 by paulmatthews |
That Angela Van Den Bogerd is a Swansea girl.Went to Cefn Hengoed with my brother in law |
She's now an independent consultant for engineering company Integral UK, and she made approx 100 people redundant just before Christmas.
She lives in Neath. | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 14:28 - Jan 12 with 1654 views | onehunglow |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 14:27 - Jan 12 by theloneranger |
She's now an independent consultant for engineering company Integral UK, and she made approx 100 people redundant just before Christmas.
She lives in Neath. |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 15:30 - Jan 12 with 1622 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 14:28 - Jan 12 by onehunglow |
Serves her right |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 17:49 - Jan 12 with 1571 views | paulmatthews |
Well she is not there now and Ford got booted out basically for hiring her.Just embarrassing that she is one of ours. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 20:31 - Jan 12 with 1521 views | majorraglan |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 13:57 - Jan 12 by onehunglow |
I’d keep quiet about that
As a I would about her being appointed Head of People by the Welsh FA [Post edited 12 Jan 13:58]
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Ford employed her and the FAW took positive action some 3 years ago, unlike the shower we have in Westminster who appointed Vennels as a Cabinet Office Executive. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 20:37 - Jan 12 with 1519 views | onehunglow |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 20:31 - Jan 12 by majorraglan |
Ford employed her and the FAW took positive action some 3 years ago, unlike the shower we have in Westminster who appointed Vennels as a Cabinet Office Executive. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55181709
This untrue ?
FAW
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 21:09 - Jan 12 with 1492 views | majorraglan |
The guy at the FAW who employed her (FAW Chief Exec) was subjected to some kind of internal process and stepped down after a vote of no confidence in him.
I’d say it was a decent move by the FAW. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 21:23 - Jan 12 with 1483 views | Ohyeah |
It will be good if these sub postmasters receive financial compensation but it will never ever compensate the victims or indeed their families of the shame or stigma of these convictions and allegations of wrong doing within their communities & this will be the case for the next few generations we all know how people gossip & especially in these close knit villages…
The amount of alleged victims of this scandal does not even take into account the many thousands of sub postmasters who covered up their financial losses with their own savings to avoid prosecution & then closed up shop..
But the Post Office are not alone in ripping people off in the UK just think of especially these energy companies who help themselves to our money via direct debit for supposed energy use.. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:27 - Jan 13 with 1412 views | onehunglow |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 21:09 - Jan 12 by majorraglan |
The guy at the FAW who employed her (FAW Chief Exec) was subjected to some kind of internal process and stepped down after a vote of no confidence in him.
I’d say it was a decent move by the FAW. |
So she was employed | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 19:57 - Jan 19 with 1220 views | Boundy |
Heads indeed must roll but whose ? there's not one current or previous political party leader can hold their heads up with certainty that they ( in which ever role they undertook) made or di not make decisions did so without fear nor favour . That's just the political side then we have the Post Office hierarchy in which starting at the top should at least serve time for perjury where proven. I cannot believe that Fujitsu had no knowledge that sub post masters were being incarcerated based on their system errors and again where proven be convicted .We the tax payer yet again will foot the bill for this injustice and those who made literally hundreds of thousands in forms of incentives should pay back every penny and if necessary made to sell their assets as those innocents in too many cases had to | |
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 20:08 - Jan 19 with 1207 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 19:57 - Jan 19 by Boundy |
Heads indeed must roll but whose ? there's not one current or previous political party leader can hold their heads up with certainty that they ( in which ever role they undertook) made or di not make decisions did so without fear nor favour . That's just the political side then we have the Post Office hierarchy in which starting at the top should at least serve time for perjury where proven. I cannot believe that Fujitsu had no knowledge that sub post masters were being incarcerated based on their system errors and again where proven be convicted .We the tax payer yet again will foot the bill for this injustice and those who made literally hundreds of thousands in forms of incentives should pay back every penny and if necessary made to sell their assets as those innocents in too many cases had to |
Totally agree. The post office ruined peoples lives, they bankrupted them and those who benefitted financially should have to ay back what they gained AND put money into restitution too. If they have to sell their homes then so be it, why should they get away with it when they put families out on the streets. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 04:35 - Jan 20 with 1149 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 19:57 - Jan 19 by Boundy |
Heads indeed must roll but whose ? there's not one current or previous political party leader can hold their heads up with certainty that they ( in which ever role they undertook) made or di not make decisions did so without fear nor favour . That's just the political side then we have the Post Office hierarchy in which starting at the top should at least serve time for perjury where proven. I cannot believe that Fujitsu had no knowledge that sub post masters were being incarcerated based on their system errors and again where proven be convicted .We the tax payer yet again will foot the bill for this injustice and those who made literally hundreds of thousands in forms of incentives should pay back every penny and if necessary made to sell their assets as those innocents in too many cases had to |
Google ‘Nye’ or better still read Michael Foots biography ‘Bevan’.
Not all politicians come from Eton and raid the public finances for their mates. [Post edited 20 Jan 4:39]
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| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 14:54 - Jan 20 with 1103 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 04:35 - Jan 20 by Kilkennyjack |
Google ‘Nye’ or better still read Michael Foots biography ‘Bevan’.
Not all politicians come from Eton and raid the public finances for their mates. [Post edited 20 Jan 4:39]
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Maybe not back in the mists of time but today? Politics has always had corruption becaise there has always been corruption everywhere you look.
Not ften mentioned is the split Bevan caused in the Labour party in thr 50's, more recently we had Corbynites versus Blairites but back then it was the Bevanies versus the Gaitskillites.
As a good Socialist, Kilky, I expect you've read "In Place of Fear"? | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 09:36 - Jan 26 with 932 views | AnotherJohn |
Interesting article here saying that Geoff Mulgan sent Tony Blair a memo in 1998 warning of flaws in Horizon and suggesting he get the Post Office to cancel it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/i-told-blair-to-cancel-horizon-in-
Mulgan is an academic/policy advisor/think tank bod, who is now advising Starmer. Thus my comment is not meant as a party political comment, but more a "what might have been" reflection. Mulgan confirms that he gave that advice. | | | |
| Mr Bates and the Post Office on 10:47 - Jan 26 with 914 views | theloneranger |
The Horizon software at the centre of the Post Office scandal was originally designed to save money and reduce fraud in connection with benefits and pension payments.
Horizon was a joint venture between the Post Office, the Benefits Agency (DWP) and ICL, a subsidiary of Fujitsu.
The intention was to create a swipe card system for benefits and pensions to be paid out at Post Offices, replacing paper payment books.
This project began in 1996, but by 1999 the Benefits agency had lost all faith in the system ever working and pulled out, leaving the taxpayer with a massive £700 million bill with nothing to show at the end of it.
In desperation the government repurposed the project to allow electronic bookkeeping to replace paper accounts at post offices.
The Benefits Agency pulling out of the Horizon project had already warned the government that there were major faults and flaws in the Fujitsu system - the result of that is now playing out in the media, the courts and a public inquiry. | |
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