| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 13:12 - Nov 12 with 1329 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 19:02 - Nov 11 by ReslovenSwan1 |
We are getting there ironing out the details. It seems 2100 Leeds fans in Swansea and 600 Swansea fans in Leeds. 3.5 times as many subsides required.
Coleman will not last long when he has to explain to Levien he gave close to £40,000 in discounts to Leeds fans (who were coming in any case) to put £12,000 in the SCFC fans pockets. It would be better to put the £12k back in the fans pockets with good and drink vouchers at Swansea.com.
I do not want to check Sheff wed price. Coleman can do that i himself. |
Wednesday, it's seems, is almost as expensive as Leeds.
Sometimes in business the best choice is not to make people pay more because one fine day the people have enough and start looking elsehwere for a cheaper product.
PS, what is this 5% improvement for the players that you mentioned? You can't mean wages because 30k wouldn't get near a 5% increase for the team, it may do it for one player on less than 10k per week. |  | |  |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 19:49 - Nov 12 with 1223 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 13:12 - Nov 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Wednesday, it's seems, is almost as expensive as Leeds.
Sometimes in business the best choice is not to make people pay more because one fine day the people have enough and start looking elsehwere for a cheaper product.
PS, what is this 5% improvement for the players that you mentioned? You can't mean wages because 30k wouldn't get near a 5% increase for the team, it may do it for one player on less than 10k per week. |
What benefit does the club get from subsidizing Swansea fans at Leeds home games?. The team might show some better form in front of away Swansea fans than in front of none. Hard to estimate of course. With Swansea trundling along outside the top half an isolated shock win might have no performance or financial benefit whatsoever.
It is Leeds s charging £45 not Swansea city. If Leeds look for a reciprocal arrangement Swansea could subsidise the first 600 Leeds ticket (some form of draw) not the full 2100. Alternatively Swansea could reduce the all Leeds prices by £6 per ticket not the £20 they wanted. |  |
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| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 20:22 - Nov 12 with 1202 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 19:49 - Nov 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What benefit does the club get from subsidizing Swansea fans at Leeds home games?. The team might show some better form in front of away Swansea fans than in front of none. Hard to estimate of course. With Swansea trundling along outside the top half an isolated shock win might have no performance or financial benefit whatsoever.
It is Leeds s charging £45 not Swansea city. If Leeds look for a reciprocal arrangement Swansea could subsidise the first 600 Leeds ticket (some form of draw) not the full 2100. Alternatively Swansea could reduce the all Leeds prices by £6 per ticket not the £20 they wanted. |
What benefit? SERIOUSLY? We are in a cost of living crisis and a bit of goodwill can go a long way.
There is more to life and definitely a lot more to loyalty than the bottom line. Like I've said, fans can be turned off, can be pee'd off and wonder why they bother. The club always makes a big thing about the levels of support.
I was at Plymouth and the team definitely felt it, the level of support they recieved and at the end of the game they came over, all of them including the coaching staff and gave the fans an ovation.
Like I've also said, its as if you know nothing about football...or people. | | | |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 20:41 - Nov 12 with 1191 views | KeithHaynes |
There has to be some equal times when fans such as ours travel one of the longest distances all season. In fact I think only one club travels further. Having spent the week in the UK that’s no easy task either. The road structure is knackered and everything is exorbitant, especially leisure.
The club have to look beyond their immediate gaze for some form of creative thinking that not only stimulates the supporters but gives them some form of value. They have to feel valued as well. There’s too much of ‘we can’t do that’ or ‘we won’t do this’ and I know for a fact within the confines of the club there is a distinct paranoia regards a perceived threat that information is getting out of the club that could possibly damage them as individuals or as a business. That has led to a lack of trust between staff and too much time is being spent on that.
In fact it’s pathetic.
The basics are either being forgotten or there is no desire to fulfil some clear thinking that would get more people through the turnstiles and value those who travel the length and breadth of the country supporting the club. The Leeds issue is an example, however there will be some reverse thinking about why Leeds have done this. For me there is an inexperience within the club in certain areas where people who are too busy protecting their own agenda and then losing sight of what they should actually be doing on a day to day basis. You can’t recruit stellar people when you pay peanuts.
Quite simply, they are not performing ‘across the board’ And at many levels. This means they look for ways out to cover their own inability in their own roles. And things like this get poorly managed. And this is one of many examples. Until the paranoia stops, and some serious personal soul searching is done the club will be what it is. A self protecting entity whose lack of vision and enterprise affects the very thing they ‘think’ they are protecting.
Once these characters are weeded out and their agendas understood it may get better. But for now things like this will continue to occur due to their parochial mindset and belief the big boogey men are coming to get them.
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| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 21:56 - Nov 12 with 1150 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 20:22 - Nov 12 by SullutaCreturned |
What benefit? SERIOUSLY? We are in a cost of living crisis and a bit of goodwill can go a long way.
There is more to life and definitely a lot more to loyalty than the bottom line. Like I've said, fans can be turned off, can be pee'd off and wonder why they bother. The club always makes a big thing about the levels of support.
I was at Plymouth and the team definitely felt it, the level of support they recieved and at the end of the game they came over, all of them including the coaching staff and gave the fans an ovation.
Like I've also said, its as if you know nothing about football...or people. |
In my opinion the benefits of any "goodwill handout" should be spent locally not in Yorkshire. £10- £15 food and drink token for example at the Swnsea.com stadium or some commercial deal with Nando's or equivalent.
I see very little goodwill from the fans to the US owners. Perhaps Mr Gude is going to work on this. Fans seemed to want to give the clubs money to English people as seen with the crazy legal case. No one regrets encouraging the Trust to go to court and take £20m of the owners and give £10m to English legal people and agents. Why not apologise to them before asking for freebees. | |
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| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 21:57 - Nov 12 with 1155 views | max936 |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 20:41 - Nov 12 by KeithHaynes |
There has to be some equal times when fans such as ours travel one of the longest distances all season. In fact I think only one club travels further. Having spent the week in the UK that’s no easy task either. The road structure is knackered and everything is exorbitant, especially leisure.
The club have to look beyond their immediate gaze for some form of creative thinking that not only stimulates the supporters but gives them some form of value. They have to feel valued as well. There’s too much of ‘we can’t do that’ or ‘we won’t do this’ and I know for a fact within the confines of the club there is a distinct paranoia regards a perceived threat that information is getting out of the club that could possibly damage them as individuals or as a business. That has led to a lack of trust between staff and too much time is being spent on that.
In fact it’s pathetic.
The basics are either being forgotten or there is no desire to fulfil some clear thinking that would get more people through the turnstiles and value those who travel the length and breadth of the country supporting the club. The Leeds issue is an example, however there will be some reverse thinking about why Leeds have done this. For me there is an inexperience within the club in certain areas where people who are too busy protecting their own agenda and then losing sight of what they should actually be doing on a day to day basis. You can’t recruit stellar people when you pay peanuts.
Quite simply, they are not performing ‘across the board’ And at many levels. This means they look for ways out to cover their own inability in their own roles. And things like this get poorly managed. And this is one of many examples. Until the paranoia stops, and some serious personal soul searching is done the club will be what it is. A self protecting entity whose lack of vision and enterprise affects the very thing they ‘think’ they are protecting.
Once these characters are weeded out and their agendas understood it may get better. But for now things like this will continue to occur due to their parochial mindset and belief the big boogey men are coming to get them.
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That's a sad and sober indictment of the inner workings of the Club, which shows a clear sense of paranoia abounds their thinking which looks like a lack of experience at the top end of the hierarchy of the club, some would say they're out of their depth, |  |
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| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 07:14 - Nov 13 with 1115 views | QJumpingJack |
The lack of experience around the EFL (and EPL) must be a real concern. American sports are so different to our leagues. | | | |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 08:11 - Nov 13 with 1105 views | whiterock |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 19:24 - Nov 10 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I overestimated the number of away fans in Swansea. I indicated doubt on this myself. Normal gates 15k for 16k. Gate for Leeds 20k sold out. It seems to be in the 2500 3000 range not that it matters .
Coleman is not stupid and will not be giving Leeds fans discounts twice or three times more what Leeds give to Swansea fans. It is better to pay for the buses. I would not give them a penny discount. Forum spin does not wash. |
A discounted ticket for Swans fans would make more sense, reciprocal in a non starter for reasons you have stated | | | |
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| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 18:37 - Nov 13 with 1017 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 08:11 - Nov 13 by whiterock |
A discounted ticket for Swans fans would make more sense, reciprocal in a non starter for reasons you have stated |
Yeah, if they couldn't agree a reciprocal deal then pay Leeds for the tickets and sell them to Swans fans at a discounted price.
There was always something they could do and the travelling fans would have lapped it up. | | | |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 20:45 - Nov 13 with 971 views | Whiterockin |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 18:37 - Nov 13 by SullutaCreturned |
Yeah, if they couldn't agree a reciprocal deal then pay Leeds for the tickets and sell them to Swans fans at a discounted price.
There was always something they could do and the travelling fans would have lapped it up. |
Stop talking sense Cat, of course there are always ways to work things out, it's just that the club no longer respects the supporters, we are just customers. |  | | |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 22:40 - Nov 13 with 921 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 18:37 - Nov 13 by SullutaCreturned |
Yeah, if they couldn't agree a reciprocal deal then pay Leeds for the tickets and sell them to Swans fans at a discounted price.
There was always something they could do and the travelling fans would have lapped it up. |
Why give Leeds anything? I would give them jack all. They waved big money in front of Piroe's agent and took Swansea s best player.
Swansea fans can benefit from a goodwill gesture of £15 off anything in the club shop instead. (£9,000). If they buy a shirt it will still make the club a small profit and it is coming up to Christmas. Swansea can then take the full £84,000 from Leeds fans. (2100 x £40).
Charitable gestures start at home. | |
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| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 06:13 - Nov 14 with 883 views | Whiterockin |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 22:40 - Nov 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Why give Leeds anything? I would give them jack all. They waved big money in front of Piroe's agent and took Swansea s best player.
Swansea fans can benefit from a goodwill gesture of £15 off anything in the club shop instead. (£9,000). If they buy a shirt it will still make the club a small profit and it is coming up to Christmas. Swansea can then take the full £84,000 from Leeds fans. (2100 x £40).
Charitable gestures start at home. |
Read the post again with open eyes. | | | |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 18:04 - Nov 14 with 808 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 06:13 - Nov 14 by Whiterockin |
Read the post again with open eyes. |
You propose the club giving the Swansea fans money a a good will gesture to give it to Leeds United. I recommend they give the money to the same fans as a goodwill gesture to spend it on Swansea city in Swansea . | |
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| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 18:13 - Nov 14 with 797 views | Whiterockin |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 18:04 - Nov 14 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You propose the club giving the Swansea fans money a a good will gesture to give it to Leeds United. I recommend they give the money to the same fans as a goodwill gesture to spend it on Swansea city in Swansea . |
Many supporters who go to away matches live away and seldom come to Swansea. What Cat was suggesting if I am correct, was the easiest way to subsidise the away tickets at Leeds. Swansea would pay for the required number of tickets and sell them to the supporters at a discounted price. Leeds would receive the same money. Swansea would not subsidise Leeds fans at Swansea and away supporters at Leeds would pay a reduced price. | | | |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 18:01 - Nov 15 with 677 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 22:40 - Nov 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Why give Leeds anything? I would give them jack all. They waved big money in front of Piroe's agent and took Swansea s best player.
Swansea fans can benefit from a goodwill gesture of £15 off anything in the club shop instead. (£9,000). If they buy a shirt it will still make the club a small profit and it is coming up to Christmas. Swansea can then take the full £84,000 from Leeds fans. (2100 x £40).
Charitable gestures start at home. |
Comprehension is still a weak point then. Where did my suggestion give Leeds anything they would not already have got?
Whereas it would give Swansea fans cheaper tickets, a reward for the hard slog of midweek matches over 200 miles away.
What has Piroe's transfer got to do with it? We sell players all the time, are you suggesting we get shirty with every club who dares to buy a player off us? Maybe we should ignore manyoo for daring to give us massive money for Dan James?
Giving Swansea fans cheaper tickets is a charitable HOME gesture. | | | |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 20:14 - Nov 15 with 631 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Andy Coleman must meet with supporters trust over the Leeds ticket fiasco on 18:01 - Nov 15 by SullutaCreturned |
Comprehension is still a weak point then. Where did my suggestion give Leeds anything they would not already have got?
Whereas it would give Swansea fans cheaper tickets, a reward for the hard slog of midweek matches over 200 miles away.
What has Piroe's transfer got to do with it? We sell players all the time, are you suggesting we get shirty with every club who dares to buy a player off us? Maybe we should ignore manyoo for daring to give us massive money for Dan James?
Giving Swansea fans cheaper tickets is a charitable HOME gesture. |
I do not agree with Swansea city giving Swansea city fans money to give to Leeds Utd. Leeds will put it in their back pocket and say thank you very much.
They were not prepared to do a sensible reciprocal agreement with Swansea such that both clubs shared the losses equally as I have explained.
The point about Piroe is that we are in a competition and Leeds are rivals. What Leeds can afford and Swansea can afford are different. As Duff says he does not want Swansea to be a 'nice team'. The same applies to the management. Swansea fans should not go to Leeds if money is tight. | |
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