| Immigration 09:44 - Feb 13 with 4633 views | johnlangy |
This is one of the most contentious issues at the moment and has been for years. Many people slag off the system including Immigration lawyers saying that they use the argument of Human Rights to prolong the time it takes for immigrants/asylum seekers to be processed. Some times it takes years. And during this process it costs us millions every day to provide for them. People also slag off the ECHR arguing that that is part of the problem in us trying to get rid of people who have no right to be here.
An Immigration lawyer was interviewed on TV this morning for his opinions. He started out in his job in 2000. He said at that tome there was a fast track system in place which meant people's claims were processed within a week. If they appealed it was stretched to two weeks. And the government were sending back each year around 33,000 immigrants to their home countries with whom we had a repatriation agreement. This all happened while we were part of the ECHR.
The Tories scrapped the Fast Track system. |  | | |  |
| Immigration on 22:25 - Feb 17 with 1454 views | majorraglan |
People can argue whether the people arriving are refugee’s, economic migrants, whether they have a right to be here or not or whatever. The bottom line is that they are arriving whether we like it or not.
What we don’t have is a functioning system which is able to deal with applicants and claims in a speedy manner. What we do have is a government making lots of noises and some of the media outlets stirring things up, a lot of this is purely to deflect from the shortcomings of our government who are unable to or unwilling to grip the situation because its going to cost money. We’ve got something like 5,000 Immigration enforcement officers, but somewhere around 80,000 have arrived on small boats in the last 3 years plus the backlog of others who arrived before that. We’re facing more austerity and guess what’s likely to happen, yes further reductions in Home Office staffing so it’s going to get worse.
After 13 years where they’ve messed up the Police, NHS, Courts, Probation Service, Brexit negotiations and implementation ( there is an article in one of todays papers about not existent checks on animal imports from the EU) why do people think they’re going to miraculously get this right and clear up the shambolic mess it’s become. | | | |
| Immigration on 07:47 - Feb 18 with 1414 views | Gwyn737 |
| Immigration on 17:09 - Feb 17 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s also illegal to employ the services of nefarious people trafficking gangs. That’s the big one for me. A ticket on one of these boats can cost up to £20,000. The narrative that they are poor destitute people desperately fleeing for their lives is clearly and obviously a false one. |
I don’t think it’s the poor and destitute paying £20,000 for a place on a boat. It’s more likely how much their worth to a people trafficker. | | | |
| Immigration on 09:18 - Feb 18 with 1402 views | waynekerr55 |
| Immigration on 22:25 - Feb 17 by majorraglan |
People can argue whether the people arriving are refugee’s, economic migrants, whether they have a right to be here or not or whatever. The bottom line is that they are arriving whether we like it or not.
What we don’t have is a functioning system which is able to deal with applicants and claims in a speedy manner. What we do have is a government making lots of noises and some of the media outlets stirring things up, a lot of this is purely to deflect from the shortcomings of our government who are unable to or unwilling to grip the situation because its going to cost money. We’ve got something like 5,000 Immigration enforcement officers, but somewhere around 80,000 have arrived on small boats in the last 3 years plus the backlog of others who arrived before that. We’re facing more austerity and guess what’s likely to happen, yes further reductions in Home Office staffing so it’s going to get worse.
After 13 years where they’ve messed up the Police, NHS, Courts, Probation Service, Brexit negotiations and implementation ( there is an article in one of todays papers about not existent checks on animal imports from the EU) why do people think they’re going to miraculously get this right and clear up the shambolic mess it’s become. |
Correct. As Home Secretary Theresa May made the decision to allow people to stay here on the "sausage roll" as it was cheaper than properly financing Border Force. |  |
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| Immigration on 12:59 - Feb 18 with 1366 views | pencoedjack |
| Immigration on 22:43 - Feb 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Got a lot worse since Brexit 🇬🇧 |
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| Immigration on 13:27 - Feb 18 with 1337 views | krunchykarrot |
We are heading for a disaster in my opinion, we need to put all illegal boat asylum seekers back to France immediately. The poorer parts of the UK are being flooded by economic migrants and it is starting to become a serious local issue where hotels in our towns are converting into holding accomadation. Been told there are issues in Port talbot and Neath and its getting worse. |  | | |
| Immigration on 14:25 - Feb 18 with 1321 views | controversial_jack |
| Immigration on 13:27 - Feb 18 by krunchykarrot |
We are heading for a disaster in my opinion, we need to put all illegal boat asylum seekers back to France immediately. The poorer parts of the UK are being flooded by economic migrants and it is starting to become a serious local issue where hotels in our towns are converting into holding accomadation. Been told there are issues in Port talbot and Neath and its getting worse. |
Why would France take them? They aren't the responsibility of the French, they were there illegally too. Besides, the French have taken in far more than we have.We are getting off lightly in comparison | | | |
| Immigration on 14:37 - Feb 18 with 1316 views | Flashberryjack |
| Immigration on 14:25 - Feb 18 by controversial_jack |
Why would France take them? They aren't the responsibility of the French, they were there illegally too. Besides, the French have taken in far more than we have.We are getting off lightly in comparison |
How come you say they were in France illegally, then when they cross the channel to the UK, they then are not illegal immigrants. |  |
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| Immigration on 17:01 - Feb 18 with 1301 views | krunchykarrot |
| Immigration on 14:25 - Feb 18 by controversial_jack |
Why would France take them? They aren't the responsibility of the French, they were there illegally too. Besides, the French have taken in far more than we have.We are getting off lightly in comparison |
Because they should be held in detainee camps there, as they are illegal. I dont care about the numbers if the EU want open borders let them sort it out, | | | |
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| Immigration on 18:27 - Feb 18 with 1257 views | controversial_jack |
| Immigration on 14:37 - Feb 18 by Flashberryjack |
How come you say they were in France illegally, then when they cross the channel to the UK, they then are not illegal immigrants. |
Because, they have applied for asylum here and not in France. | | | |
| Immigration on 18:30 - Feb 18 with 1254 views | controversial_jack |
| Immigration on 17:01 - Feb 18 by krunchykarrot |
Because they should be held in detainee camps there, as they are illegal. I dont care about the numbers if the EU want open borders let them sort it out, |
That's up to the French not us. We can't dictate to them.
You may not care about numbers, but maybe the other countries do. | | | |
| Immigration on 21:22 - Feb 18 with 1221 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Immigration on 18:27 - Feb 18 by controversial_jack |
Because, they have applied for asylum here and not in France. |
They haven't applied for asylum until the present themselves to the authorities which very many of them don't. They only ask for asylum once they are caught.
There's a hand car wash in Swansea that got raided and all but a few of the workers ran away, asylum seekers or illegal immigrants? Ithink it shut down, it was just past Sketty cross on Gower road. | | | |
| Immigration on 21:40 - Feb 18 with 1212 views | majorraglan |
| Immigration on 18:30 - Feb 18 by controversial_jack |
That's up to the French not us. We can't dictate to them.
You may not care about numbers, but maybe the other countries do. |
Somebody mentioned the Dublin agreement earlier on - as we are out of the EU we can’t send the refugees back. The EU are changing the Dublin agreement so all countries have take a proportionate number of people. The UK is hoping to agree deals with individual European countries (and others) to return refugees, but the EU countries are declining and telling the UK to negotiate with the EU direct.
The situation is a mess. We don’t appear to have any agreements to return the migrants, we don’t appear to have sufficient staff to process applications/manage the existing caseload and there doesn’t appear to be a legitimate way they can claim asylum and we won’t get much change from the EU.
We’ll never find out, but it would be interesting to know if the politicians were warned about the potential implications during the Brexit preparations and any action/inaction they decided upon. | | | |
| Immigration on 21:56 - Feb 18 with 1207 views | controversial_jack |
| Immigration on 21:22 - Feb 18 by SullutaCreturned |
They haven't applied for asylum until the present themselves to the authorities which very many of them don't. They only ask for asylum once they are caught.
There's a hand car wash in Swansea that got raided and all but a few of the workers ran away, asylum seekers or illegal immigrants? Ithink it shut down, it was just past Sketty cross on Gower road. |
The majority do though. | | | |
| Immigration on 22:54 - Feb 18 with 1189 views | majorraglan |
It appears the “illegals” will be crossing quicker than the “legals” if the reports on the BBC about the Border Force industrial action causing 6.5 hour delays in coach passengers being able to board a ferry are correct.
P&O are telling “customers that long wait times were "due to the queues at border control who are also on strike", but the Home Office have rejected claims strikes were having an impact on wait times.
The $64million question is who do we believe, P&O or the Government. 
Given that DFDS also posted about 6 hour delays at Border Control, I’d say it’s pretty clear who we should believe. | | | |
| Immigration on 23:01 - Feb 18 with 1180 views | KeithHaynes |
| Immigration on 22:54 - Feb 18 by majorraglan |
It appears the “illegals” will be crossing quicker than the “legals” if the reports on the BBC about the Border Force industrial action causing 6.5 hour delays in coach passengers being able to board a ferry are correct.
P&O are telling “customers that long wait times were "due to the queues at border control who are also on strike", but the Home Office have rejected claims strikes were having an impact on wait times.
The $64million question is who do we believe, P&O or the Government.
Given that DFDS also posted about 6 hour delays at Border Control, I’d say it’s pretty clear who we should believe. |
Got to say at Xmas the military did an exceptional job.
Sailed through, and I wasn’t even on a boat. |  |
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| Immigration on 23:12 - Feb 18 with 1157 views | majorraglan |
| Immigration on 23:01 - Feb 18 by KeithHaynes |
Got to say at Xmas the military did an exceptional job.
Sailed through, and I wasn’t even on a boat. |
Red carpet treatment mun as they knew you were coming and Swansea Independent Royal Family. | | | |
| Immigration on 23:17 - Feb 18 with 1146 views | KeithHaynes |
| Immigration on 23:12 - Feb 18 by majorraglan |
Red carpet treatment mun as they knew you were coming and Swansea Independent Royal Family. |
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| Immigration on 07:33 - Feb 19 with 1107 views | Boundy |
How do you know and all the authorities don't | |
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| Immigration on 10:15 - Feb 19 with 1065 views | controversial_jack |
| Immigration on 07:33 - Feb 19 by Boundy |
How do you know and all the authorities don't |
Give me some figures then? | | | |
| Immigration on 19:47 - Feb 19 with 1009 views | Kilkennyjack |
Many in Ireland are Anti-fascist … 💚
Huge march in Dublin.
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| Immigration on 08:16 - Feb 20 with 960 views | Boundy |
| Immigration on 19:47 - Feb 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Many in Ireland are Anti-fascist … 💚
Huge march in Dublin.
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Not saying any different but because you object to an influx of undocumented migrants doesn't make you a raving brown shirt wearing , right arm raising , goose stepping fascist , just maybe a concerned citizen. | |
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| Immigration on 11:57 - Feb 20 with 922 views | ThurrockJack92 |
I only really have two issues with immigration, a concern that they do not share our values in the broad sense and the impact it has on the resources and services for the people already here. Although on the flip side, immigration could help the latter point, but would need stringent and targeted policy from our government.
Asylum is a tricky one, on balance it is something you would probably want in place if you were in the asylum seekers position, but it is clearly being abused. The solution to that would be to properly fund the appropriate departments for processing, but then there is only so much money in the pot and who is to say that is more important than hospitals, schools, police etc.
Perhaps the solution would be for countries to band together to process and then take an appropriate % of refugees based on country size, but that would be also be mired in politics with every country trying to minimise their burden. |  | | |
| Immigration on 15:18 - Feb 20 with 886 views | Togg |
| Immigration on 21:22 - Feb 18 by SullutaCreturned |
They haven't applied for asylum until the present themselves to the authorities which very many of them don't. They only ask for asylum once they are caught.
There's a hand car wash in Swansea that got raided and all but a few of the workers ran away, asylum seekers or illegal immigrants? Ithink it shut down, it was just past Sketty cross on Gower road. |
I used to take my car there. Did a blinking good job to. For some reason only took cash. Strange that? | | | |
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