| Harrogate (h) Match Thread 16:08 - Dec 1 with 36137 views | HullDale |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 23:44 - Dec 3 with 4175 views | James1980 |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 23:10 - Dec 3 by R17ALE |
"And I can identify the exact day when the whole edifice started to crumble, for me, it was that away game at Luton when Roger (the dodger) sacked Hill and in a single ill-considered moment set in train a series of events that have led us to where we are now. Yes we were in trouble then but that decision has proved to be a catastrophe, the first of a series of ill judged moves by a halfwit CEO"
The finest paragraph ever posted, and he'll be laughing his cock off tonight, what with being a lifelong fan.
I was at Luton that day and detected an upturn in performance. |
Is it true that Hill went into the board room saying they needed to invest in the club and Arsely decided to sack him? |  |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 00:10 - Dec 4 with 4106 views | 442Dale |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 23:44 - Dec 3 by James1980 |
Is it true that Hill went into the board room saying they needed to invest in the club and Arsely decided to sack him? |
Can we try and put a pause on the revisionist history to concentrate on the here and now? There was a groundswell amongst many fans that Hill had reached the end of the line, irrespective of the āvote of confidenceā by whoever was calling the shots at the club at the time. Weād been battered at Plymouth and then lost at Luton and were looking at a relegation battle for the second season running.
Barry-Murphy came in and turned that around. Fact. He showed obvious ability as a manager who could utilise what he had to get results. Fact.
Iām now a big critic of BBM, not because he was involved in whatever issues there were off the pitch, but because he failed completely as a manager by not being able to continue being the manager he was for the last couple of months of the 18/19 season. Now and again weād see him realise that was the best route (Rotherham pre Covid, the end of the relegation season in various games when it was almost too late), but far too often he got caught up in being the manager he thought he should be.
So no, thereās no definitive point things started going wrong. There are plenty of examples which contributed. Want another? Increasing the budget at the start of 17/18 when we were doing perfectly well with what we had. Weāve not had a decent league season since. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 0:11]
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 00:14 - Dec 4 with 4091 views | _Windydale |
Bad at the back. O'Donnell has been decent in recent games, but today his slow responses and delayed acrobatics caused us at least 3 of the goals. | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 00:52 - Dec 4 with 3996 views | pioneer |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 23:35 - Dec 3 by kel |
A perfect example of the attitude of one of our players. A bit of respect wouldnāt be out of the question would it?
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That from someone whose previous āhomesā were Doncaster and Wolverhampton. He is clearly pining for the bright lights of Romford and its proud football history.
Yes Mr John we have seen it, we have even lived itā¦..and its our home and we are proud of it as well as its history. I dont earn a living from it any more but you doā¦And since you didnt choose any more preferable places to pursue your career I wonder if it was a case of Rochdale being your last chance saloon. | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 01:25 - Dec 4 with 3963 views | Albert_Whitehurst |
While relegation is a probability, more than just a posibility, that worries me far less than the prospect of trying to get out of the National League.
Many established former league clubs have tried and failed at the 1st, 2nd and more attempts.
If/when we go down, it could be some years before the chance appears to get back into the league. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 6:39]
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 08:00 - Dec 4 with 3766 views | HullDale |
Fair play for fronting up and apologising. I'm not a fan of the video, don't think he did himself any favours with it... but an apology is probably what we would've expected & he has clearly done it off his own back. | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 08:11 - Dec 4 with 3709 views | richfoad32 |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 08:00 - Dec 4 by HullDale |
Fair play for fronting up and apologising. I'm not a fan of the video, don't think he did himself any favours with it... but an apology is probably what we would've expected & he has clearly done it off his own back. |
Just another reason to avoid social media, I'm sure it has its uses but they are far outweighed by the trouble it seems to cause. | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 08:12 - Dec 4 with 3704 views | kel |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 08:00 - Dec 4 by HullDale |
Fair play for fronting up and apologising. I'm not a fan of the video, don't think he did himself any favours with it... but an apology is probably what we would've expected & he has clearly done it off his own back. |
Iāve calmed a bit from last night and my reaction to it on Twitter but still think it was a shitty thing to say. ATP has tweeted that he probably wouldnāt have been bothered if he/the team was playing well. Iād agree with that but coming on top of some of the āperformancesā this season, some reactions are understandable.
His apology is still littered with tired cliches though about how it needs to be better. Actions speak louder than words Iām afraid so letās see if anything changes or I fear weāre in for a real spanking next week. |  | | |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 10:14 - Dec 4 with 3392 views | Newbury_Dale |
Did Cameron John sign a 2 year deal or just a season ? | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 11:03 - Dec 4 with 3218 views | 442Dale |
It might be impossible in reality but it might be worth making definitive decisions around who we will make available to be moved on. Obviously there are plenty of issues around this, as fans though itās easier to make listsā¦
To free up space in the squad and provide finance for extra additions, the following can go:
Taylor, Ball, Kelly, Rodney, Sinclair, White. | |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 11:22 - Dec 4 with 3161 views | mikehunt |
Iād keep Rodney but use him in the position that saw him score his goals - centre front, peeling off the opposition defence. He is no use on the wing. |  |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 11:32 - Dec 4 with 3110 views | D_Alien |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 11:22 - Dec 4 by mikehunt |
Iād keep Rodney but use him in the position that saw him score his goals - centre front, peeling off the opposition defence. He is no use on the wing. |
Agree with this, and unfortunately the player he'd replace in the starting line-up should be Hendo, whose playing style seems to flatten any forward momentum we're able to muster. He was of course superb in an outfit that could pass the ball well enough
So Rodney alongside Quigley to start next week for me, with Hendo as a great option later in the game |  |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 11:35 - Dec 4 with 3083 views | TVOS1907 |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 11:32 - Dec 4 by D_Alien |
Agree with this, and unfortunately the player he'd replace in the starting line-up should be Hendo, whose playing style seems to flatten any forward momentum we're able to muster. He was of course superb in an outfit that could pass the ball well enough
So Rodney alongside Quigley to start next week for me, with Hendo as a great option later in the game |
Unless we go all Barry Diamond, I'd be amazed if Quigley was eligible for Saturday. |  |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 11:39 - Dec 4 with 3055 views | D_Alien |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 11:35 - Dec 4 by TVOS1907 |
Unless we go all Barry Diamond, I'd be amazed if Quigley was eligible for Saturday. |
Fair point, and i'd take one on Saturday too!
Rodney will most likely replace Quigley then | |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:16 - Dec 4 with 2891 views | samueloneils |
Watching back on IFollow these questions I cannot answer.
Q. Why in all our home games are we the slowest to start (even yesterday with the benefit of an early goal)?. We always let the opposition get into their stride. No attempt from us to force the game. We seem to sit back and watch them.
Q. Why cannot we provide movement in midfield to collect a pass from the back? Harrogate were always looking to move into an open midfield position when the ball was coming out of defence. Never from the Dale.
Q. Why are the defenders allowed to punt the ball upfield nearly every time, which usually leads to losing the ball? This is connected to the last question of course, but it accounts for why we hold the ball so little.
Q. Are we still playing some form of zonal marking? On several occasions (not just at set pieces) Keohane especially was surrounded by 2 or even 3 attackers at the far post when the ball was coming from their right. This may work against slow forwards but against quick movers like yesterday it doesn`t work.
I could ask so many questions but the overall picture is that we have a slow, pedestrian squad with players like Henderson, Ball, Quigley and Rodney lumbering around the pitch. For Henderson just substitute "slow".
Jim Bentley is not stupid, he has seen it all.
Final Q. Accepting he cannot do much with the current squad, and has too many players on contracts to do much in January, could he not change tactics to putting what little pace he has with Keohane and White(if fit) in wide midfield to give some forward movement and crossing ability? | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:18 - Dec 4 with 2879 views | BucketBstard |
Oh dear I'm coming to the conclusion that EBJ is not the answer. I agree he has been dealt a bad pack but to continue to pick Diagoura and Odoh shows his complete lack of tactical understanding . If he picks either of them again I'm out of here,
He will have very little wiggle room due to the board allowing Nice Guy Robbie to sign awful sybstandard players on long contracts and wages way above their skill level.
Worrying that 7 years at Morecambe and seeing Diagou... in action he still picks him.
If we go down we dont come back ever . I wouldnt be suprised if we folded completely since we do not have a fan base like most of the others had.
If EBJ picks those two cretins again then his moniker needs to be changed to ESJ . | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:20 - Dec 4 with 2849 views | Drigdale |
Personally I don't see any point in keeping the loan signings we have. Slicker, Sericki, Tulloch, Nelson. They have barely played and are simply making up numbers.
I don't want to start on the rest of the squad because I don't think anyone would sign them and we are stuck with them. We really do need to add a minimum of 4 players to stand any chance of staying up.
I too was frustrated at yesterdays performance and left with my friends on 70 minutes. Considering I am a season ticket holder living in Leeds it wasn't a great journey back over the M62. The only consolation I had was an excellent curry in The Pavilion before going home | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:34 - Dec 4 with 2802 views | DaleiLama |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 08:00 - Dec 4 by HullDale |
Fair play for fronting up and apologising. I'm not a fan of the video, don't think he did himself any favours with it... but an apology is probably what we would've expected & he has clearly done it off his own back. |
Elon Musk decided I would get no Tweets on 3/12 at all. Probably for the best catching up on the fallout |  |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:46 - Dec 4 with 2771 views | TVOS1907 |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:18 - Dec 4 by BucketBstard |
Oh dear I'm coming to the conclusion that EBJ is not the answer. I agree he has been dealt a bad pack but to continue to pick Diagoura and Odoh shows his complete lack of tactical understanding . If he picks either of them again I'm out of here,
He will have very little wiggle room due to the board allowing Nice Guy Robbie to sign awful sybstandard players on long contracts and wages way above their skill level.
Worrying that 7 years at Morecambe and seeing Diagou... in action he still picks him.
If we go down we dont come back ever . I wouldnt be suprised if we folded completely since we do not have a fan base like most of the others had.
If EBJ picks those two cretins again then his moniker needs to be changed to ESJ . |
The Diagouraga who joined Morecambe after EBJ went to AFC Fylde, you mean? | |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:50 - Dec 4 with 2735 views | kel |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:46 - Dec 4 by TVOS1907 |
The Diagouraga who joined Morecambe after EBJ went to AFC Fylde, you mean? |
He knows, heās doing it deliberately now.
LET him be. | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:58 - Dec 4 with 2686 views | TVOS1907 |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:50 - Dec 4 by kel |
He knows, heās doing it deliberately now.
LET him be. |
Yeah, I know, but it's good just to keep reminding him. | |
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| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 13:11 - Dec 4 with 2638 views | jonahwhereru |
This is the first Rochdalesque result of the season, and needs to be the last. EBJ has made us difficult to break down, so I think many of us are stunned by this one.
He mentioned in his interview that he had to tweak the formation and match them up in midfield, and we finished the first half better for it. So he is flexible about formation but to be fair I think most managers have a preferred formation and only flex it to stifle the opposition. Jim knows infinitely more than me about coaching so I wonāt be critical.
The question is can we now revert to type and be difficult to beat and scramble enough points together to stay above the teams, until reinforcements arrive. I hope so.
Sad when a late goal at Mansfield is the focal point of the football excitement for he weekend. Aside from the England penalty shoot out tonight. Oh shite!! | | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 13:14 - Dec 4 with 2624 views | Cedar_Room |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 12:18 - Dec 4 by BucketBstard |
Oh dear I'm coming to the conclusion that EBJ is not the answer. I agree he has been dealt a bad pack but to continue to pick Diagoura and Odoh shows his complete lack of tactical understanding . If he picks either of them again I'm out of here,
He will have very little wiggle room due to the board allowing Nice Guy Robbie to sign awful sybstandard players on long contracts and wages way above their skill level.
Worrying that 7 years at Morecambe and seeing Diagou... in action he still picks him.
If we go down we dont come back ever . I wouldnt be suprised if we folded completely since we do not have a fan base like most of the others had.
If EBJ picks those two cretins again then his moniker needs to be changed to ESJ . |
I think the obvious point to make in why he keeps picking Diagouraga and Odoh is - there isnāt anyone better! Which is a damning indictment of our current squad. The options coming off the bench are so limited - do our subs really ever change a game? Is there really anyone who isnāt in the starting XI who everyone is clamouring to get on the pitch? Whose constant omission seems baffling? The only possibly player I would say is Malley who I would favour over the spectacularly useless Ball but I also havenāt seen enough of Malley to say for certain that he would do a better job.
Tourms in particular seems someone who is obviously past his best who brings little to the team but is probably mostly reliable(?) Iām not sure what he really adds as invariably he just passes the ball to the man 2 yards away from him as soon as he gets it as though the football is a bomb which could go off at any moment and he doesnāt want his foot blowing up. Odoh on the other hand I think there can be made some sort of case for - they said it best in commentary yesterday that he at least gets the ball up the pitch. Not many of our midfield will actually run with the ball and take a player on. Odoh will do that and yes the criticism of him is that once heās done that more often than not he will misplace a pass or get dispossessed or heāll put in a cross to no-one but also, there are times his run will draw a foul or we get the ball for a throw in deep into the oppositions half. He does that often enough to make him just about a net benefit to the team but again this comes down to the fact there is really no one else we can play. Odoh wouldnāt get into too many other teams in L2 Iād imagine but compared to whatās available itās clear he brings SOMETHING, even if itās not all that much.
Iāve said we need 5-8 players brought in but I was very worried by Bentleys comments yesterday that we were looking at bringing in 1 or 2 in January. Whether that was just expectation management or a realistic insight into what he can actually do I donāt know. But if it is only 1 or 2 being brought in you have to think the chances of survival would drop even further as unless those players turn out to be world beaters and drag the entire rest of the squad up to a different level with them - the players that weāve got are just not good enough for this division. |  | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 14:37 - Dec 4 with 2330 views | RooleyMoorBlue |
Of the starting lineup yesterday I would keep Brierley. O'Donnell doesn't inspire much confidence in me but we need a keeper other than a loanee. Graham has improved and is contracted but this is his last year. Keohane is a utility player which all clubs need. I cannot understand why a lot of fans want to get rid of a player who was instrumental in 3 of our 4 wins. Getting rid of Kelly would be a big mistake unless we can sign 3 players better than him. Quigley was clearly not fit but we are so desperate he was played before a fully fit Rodney. I think it is unfair for the club to expect a player to perform when coming back from an injury. Malley hasn't been given a chance yet, so I can't really decide.
As for the rest of the squad they can go, they are either too old or just going through the motions, or both.
There was no leadership yesterday, no togetherness, no fight and little pride in wearing the shirt. We need to stop recruiting mercenaries and use the home-grown talent everyone seems to rave about. It's a young man's game, let's play some of our talented youngsters who would, I'm sure, show more pride in playing for Rochdale AFC.
If we get relegated from the FL I can't see us surviving. |  | | |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 15:10 - Dec 4 with 2209 views | 442Dale |
| Harrogate (h) Match Thread on 14:37 - Dec 4 by RooleyMoorBlue |
Of the starting lineup yesterday I would keep Brierley. O'Donnell doesn't inspire much confidence in me but we need a keeper other than a loanee. Graham has improved and is contracted but this is his last year. Keohane is a utility player which all clubs need. I cannot understand why a lot of fans want to get rid of a player who was instrumental in 3 of our 4 wins. Getting rid of Kelly would be a big mistake unless we can sign 3 players better than him. Quigley was clearly not fit but we are so desperate he was played before a fully fit Rodney. I think it is unfair for the club to expect a player to perform when coming back from an injury. Malley hasn't been given a chance yet, so I can't really decide.
As for the rest of the squad they can go, they are either too old or just going through the motions, or both.
There was no leadership yesterday, no togetherness, no fight and little pride in wearing the shirt. We need to stop recruiting mercenaries and use the home-grown talent everyone seems to rave about. It's a young man's game, let's play some of our talented youngsters who would, I'm sure, show more pride in playing for Rochdale AFC.
If we get relegated from the FL I can't see us surviving. |
I know this has come up before, on your last point why canāt you see us surviving? | |
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