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English people booing the gesture to support black people and racial equality tonight at M'boro, sounded like the vast majority of the English supporters as well.
Should teams refuse to play England, or should England be banned from the Euros ?
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Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
English booing taking the knee. on 01:40 - Jun 5 by Dr_Parnassus
I am the same. The flag is something I also cannot get along with. It reminds me very much of the BLM knee actually, in so much as many people who fly it have no idea of its meaning.
I can understand why people fly it though. People have their own meanings for the flag, so someone being annoyed that someone dare fly it is probably getting annoyed at a reason that doesn’t exist in the mind of the person doing so. A lot of people fly the flag to show pride in the Southern States, which in itself is no bad thing.
But, just like the knee and fist, it carries far too much baggage for that explanation to overrule the negative past it has and the flag as a result will always be controversial and emotive, which is why I could never fly the flag even if I was proud of Southern culture.
The problem is however, when you give the liberal types an inch they end up taking 9000 miles. I’m sure I read recently that the American flag is now being seen as a symbol of racism, it’s just utterly insatiable - this drive to find racism in absolutely everything.
But Prof, as is becoming standard these days, we are totally agreed on all points.
Largely. I have no truck with the idea of the US flag being racist nor with flag burning. There still Needs to be debate around racism, but the symbolism of ‘taking the knee’ has passed it’s time, and will lost any meaning soon. As meaningful as a UEFA banner if it continues. Symbols rather than action.
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:31 - Jun 5 with 1368 views
English booing taking the knee. on 11:13 - Jun 5 by Professor
Largely. I have no truck with the idea of the US flag being racist nor with flag burning. There still Needs to be debate around racism, but the symbolism of ‘taking the knee’ has passed it’s time, and will lost any meaning soon. As meaningful as a UEFA banner if it continues. Symbols rather than action.
You need both.
Raising awareness is not unimportant.
Beware of the Risen People
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:32 - Jun 5 with 1367 views
English booing taking the knee. on 11:13 - Jun 5 by Professor
Largely. I have no truck with the idea of the US flag being racist nor with flag burning. There still Needs to be debate around racism, but the symbolism of ‘taking the knee’ has passed it’s time, and will lost any meaning soon. As meaningful as a UEFA banner if it continues. Symbols rather than action.
Seeing everything through the prism of race is unhelpful.
Refusing to see anything through the prism of race is equally unhelpful.
English booing taking the knee. on 10:51 - Jun 5 by Professor
OK to fly the Swastika too I take it??
Prof, mun. Let me take you back to Neath in 1979 and the Rockabilly revival. There was nothing remotely hateful about the Confederate flag it was Elvis, Hank, Jerry Lee and this...
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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English booing taking the knee. on 18:03 - Jun 5 by Lohengrin
Prof, mun. Let me take you back to Neath in 1979 and the Rockabilly revival. There was nothing remotely hateful about the Confederate flag it was Elvis, Hank, Jerry Lee and this...
Aye, but not it’s not Georgia or Alabama Loh. I remember Matchbox using it too. As did my Britain’s Confederate solidiers. I had more Union troops so my games tended to follow history in the end.
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English booing taking the knee. on 22:53 - Jun 5 with 1223 views
English booing taking the knee. on 21:22 - Jun 5 by Professor
Aye, but not it’s not Georgia or Alabama Loh. I remember Matchbox using it too. As did my Britain’s Confederate solidiers. I had more Union troops so my games tended to follow history in the end.
You’d be kicking yourself if you knew how much some of those Britain’s sets are worth these days, Prof.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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English booing taking the knee. on 22:53 - Jun 5 by Lohengrin
You’d be kicking yourself if you knew how much some of those Britain’s sets are worth these days, Prof.
Not so much the Deetail plastic ones from the 70s. Funnily enough was looking them up last night on eBay. Can pick up a full set of Confederate Infantry for about 20 quid. Cavalrymen about a tenner a pop. I wish I Ihad kept my kettenkrad though. About 50 quid a pop. Big treat to get a solider in Neath as a child.
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:37 - Jun 5 by Gwyn737
Seeing everything through the prism of race is unhelpful.
Refusing to see anything through the prism of race is equally unhelpful.
Maybe we should just remove the prism and look at the whole picture? Racism is there, it's indisputabel but it''s also true people cry racism where there is none, and there is everything in between, which is a whole lot of territory.
When I was younger I had views and said and did things which I am ashamed of today and would never even consider saying or doing. As I got older I got a bit wiser. Things I used to believe I now know are ignorant, stupid rubbish. The problem is too many people refuse to let go of the ignorance. parents teach kids to be racist, sexist...any kind of ist/ism you can name. We have people looking for offence where there is none and then people denying offence when it clealy existed. I can see the problems but unfortuantely, I don;t have the answers. Maybe they're in education?
English booing taking the knee. on 13:15 - Jun 6 by Catullus
Maybe we should just remove the prism and look at the whole picture? Racism is there, it's indisputabel but it''s also true people cry racism where there is none, and there is everything in between, which is a whole lot of territory.
When I was younger I had views and said and did things which I am ashamed of today and would never even consider saying or doing. As I got older I got a bit wiser. Things I used to believe I now know are ignorant, stupid rubbish. The problem is too many people refuse to let go of the ignorance. parents teach kids to be racist, sexist...any kind of ist/ism you can name. We have people looking for offence where there is none and then people denying offence when it clealy existed. I can see the problems but unfortuantely, I don;t have the answers. Maybe they're in education?
Trouble is Catt, education is a political football that is weaponised by those who disagree with parts of it - look what happen with the Black History thread that made up what was happening.
What’s really hard to teach is self awareness. I’m guessing we’ll see the irony at the England game later where some will make a political statement (booing) to show that there should be no politics in sport. Nuts isn’t it?
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