| Trust questions to Dunphy on 12:47 - Apr 5 with 2737 views | judd |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 12:38 - Apr 5 by dawlishdale |
I would welcome this, but I'd be absolutely amazed if DB agreed to it.
Imagine the uproar on here (and amongst shareholders and supporters in general) if it were shown that large pay rises had been awarded to certain paid executives at the same time as the club were furloughing staff and making redundancies. |
Hang on, weren't we told hard working executives took 50% pay cuts? |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 13:08 - Apr 5 with 2648 views | Nigeriamark |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 12:38 - Apr 5 by dawlishdale |
I would welcome this, but I'd be absolutely amazed if DB agreed to it.
Imagine the uproar on here (and amongst shareholders and supporters in general) if it were shown that large pay rises had been awarded to certain paid executives at the same time as the club were furloughing staff and making redundancies. |
Can't see why not. He's getting pelters anyway & the numbers will come out a year later in any case. Also the last 2 years of CD won't look great either so at least it may lead to a focus on what has happened over the 4 year poor period rather than just the 2 being focused on at the moment which would be to his favour. What I am suggesting can genuinely happen with only the current board & CD as potential chairman elect agreeing. The CEO wouldn't be relevant in the decision if they agree. If it happened there will be a few surprises on all sides, I can assure you of that, & no-one will come out smelling of roses. We've been crap for 4 years, not 2 and there will be reasons for that attributable to both regimes. Personally I don't know any board members, Chairmen, CEOs from over 50 years of watching so like you I'd welcome a review so we can separate actual and rumour & then get on with supporting the club |  | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 13:13 - Apr 5 with 2624 views | D_Alien |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 12:47 - Apr 5 by judd |
Hang on, weren't we told hard working executives took 50% pay cuts? |
Only because they'd reduced their normal 28-hour working day to 14 |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 13:13 - Apr 5 with 2619 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 12:38 - Apr 5 by dawlishdale |
I would welcome this, but I'd be absolutely amazed if DB agreed to it.
Imagine the uproar on here (and amongst shareholders and supporters in general) if it were shown that large pay rises had been awarded to certain paid executives at the same time as the club were furloughing staff and making redundancies. |
The Trust should offer DB the same opportunity as it did Chris Dunphy.
He is welcome to decline that opportunity if he wishes.
It is known the CEO position is paid at Rochdale, so that is not a surprise.
What lingers is a strong hint of enhancing pay and conditions of certain individuals during a time of hardship for (a) the club (b) supporters and (c) the general economy during the pandemic. |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 13:18 - Apr 5 with 2591 views | 442Dale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 13:13 - Apr 5 by RAFCBLUE |
The Trust should offer DB the same opportunity as it did Chris Dunphy.
He is welcome to decline that opportunity if he wishes.
It is known the CEO position is paid at Rochdale, so that is not a surprise.
What lingers is a strong hint of enhancing pay and conditions of certain individuals during a time of hardship for (a) the club (b) supporters and (c) the general economy during the pandemic. |
The Trust have commented on this:
“ Within those comments was a number of questions for both Chris Dunphy and the Club. We contacted both with those questions with the intention to publish these on our website to provide a platform for both parties to answer questions from the Trust members. The Club has responded to us and we are hoping to follow up on that early next week before publishing details on our website.”
Let’s see what that information brings first. |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 13:24 - Apr 5 with 2559 views | Nafelad |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 18:16 - Apr 4 by boromat |
Am not sure I agree. I read it that Kelly may be the only member of the current board that CD has any respect for as he has Dale at heart and is the one he's contacted. As if his statement about the board was not inclusive of Kelly.
I see it that it's more so Kilpatrick and the other board members that he either doesn't agree with or doesn't know.
I think Kelly came back to the board knowing that they needed someone at that time with CD leaving. I'm not sure he would have felt the need to come back otherwise regardless of CD being here or not. |
This is exactly what I am (and have been) thinking. |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 13:30 - Apr 5 with 2533 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 13:18 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
The Trust have commented on this:
“ Within those comments was a number of questions for both Chris Dunphy and the Club. We contacted both with those questions with the intention to publish these on our website to provide a platform for both parties to answer questions from the Trust members. The Club has responded to us and we are hoping to follow up on that early next week before publishing details on our website.”
Let’s see what that information brings first. |
Appreciate that comment 442 but my comment is about DB.
Effectively, there is now a situation where the former Chairman says (as reported) "I could not work with those that remained as they all had their own agenda and wanted to take the club in a direction I could not agree with, and I would not be a mouthpiece for someone else’s decisions. I chose my words carefully, using ‘retire’ not resign, so that the transition could be as easy as possible for them, not for me and left them to run the club as they saw fit.
Tony Pockney and Andrew Kelly joined the board after this date.
Chris Dunphy can only therefore be referring to either David Bottomley or Graham Rawlinson.
More for them having a right of reply as individuals rather than the Club. They are of course welcome to decline that if they choose. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 14:32 - Apr 5 with 2372 views | Dalenet |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 13:30 - Apr 5 by RAFCBLUE |
Appreciate that comment 442 but my comment is about DB.
Effectively, there is now a situation where the former Chairman says (as reported) "I could not work with those that remained as they all had their own agenda and wanted to take the club in a direction I could not agree with, and I would not be a mouthpiece for someone else’s decisions. I chose my words carefully, using ‘retire’ not resign, so that the transition could be as easy as possible for them, not for me and left them to run the club as they saw fit.
Tony Pockney and Andrew Kelly joined the board after this date.
Chris Dunphy can only therefore be referring to either David Bottomley or Graham Rawlinson.
More for them having a right of reply as individuals rather than the Club. They are of course welcome to decline that if they choose. |
Somebody will need to write it down for Mr Rawlinson though
Still can't forgive his arrogance a few years back when he told fans to F off |  | | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:11 - Apr 5 with 2271 views | tony_roch975 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 09:46 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Was the question asked by the Trust and not answered? Someone has already asked if you submitted that question, along with a previous one around why CD getting a majority at an EGM would be unlikely.
Is there information missing? Because it helps everyone to get as much out there as possible. |
I've no idea if the Trust asked it but they didn't include any answer in their report | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 15:13 - Apr 5 with 2259 views | nordenblue |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 12:47 - Apr 5 by judd |
Hang on, weren't we told hard working executives took 50% pay cuts? |
Surely they must ALL have taken a pay cut to help the club out, that would make sense? | | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:14 - Apr 5 with 2256 views | 442Dale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:11 - Apr 5 by tony_roch975 |
I've no idea if the Trust asked it but they didn't include any answer in their report |
No, that was already established. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:15 - Apr 5 with 2248 views | TVOS1907 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:11 - Apr 5 by tony_roch975 |
I've no idea if the Trust asked it but they didn't include any answer in their report |
I think 442 was wondering if you submitted the question, but the Trust hadn't asked it. |  |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:16 - Apr 5 with 2244 views | 442Dale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:15 - Apr 5 by TVOS1907 |
I think 442 was wondering if you submitted the question, but the Trust hadn't asked it. |
Or how it can be a wrong as part of “2 wrongs” if it wasn’t asked. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:40 - Apr 5 with 2174 views | tony_roch975 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:15 - Apr 5 by TVOS1907 |
I think 442 was wondering if you submitted the question, but the Trust hadn't asked it. |
I didn't submit a list of questions to the Trust (we were asked for initial thoughts) but I suggested the issue about CD selling his shares to the Americans should be in our minds on any debate about his suitability to take a Board role. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:52 - Apr 5 with 2120 views | 442Dale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:40 - Apr 5 by tony_roch975 |
I didn't submit a list of questions to the Trust (we were asked for initial thoughts) but I suggested the issue about CD selling his shares to the Americans should be in our minds on any debate about his suitability to take a Board role. |
So it’s not two wrongs yet.
We are all in need of further, detailed information from all sides. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 16:56 - Apr 5 with 2025 views | tony_roch975 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 15:52 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
So it’s not two wrongs yet.
We are all in need of further, detailed information from all sides. |
but it is - you claim DB hasn't defended his actions I claim CD hasn't | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 17:11 - Apr 5 with 1978 views | 442Dale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 16:56 - Apr 5 by tony_roch975 |
but it is - you claim DB hasn't defended his actions I claim CD hasn't |
I haven’t claimed anything about any individuals. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 17:27 - Apr 5 with 1932 views | James1980 |
I know I'm 'like a dog with a bone' as my Dad use to say when I was a kid. Regardless of the planned direction we know find ourselves down a very difficult path. If there is a follow up interview. what exactly, was the plan Chris was so against ? Did Dunphy think it would lead to the club being in trouble? If the answer is yes as an influentual shareholder why did he leave those he left behind to enact that plan? | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 17:36 - Apr 5 with 1918 views | 442Dale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 17:27 - Apr 5 by James1980 |
I know I'm 'like a dog with a bone' as my Dad use to say when I was a kid. Regardless of the planned direction we know find ourselves down a very difficult path. If there is a follow up interview. what exactly, was the plan Chris was so against ? Did Dunphy think it would lead to the club being in trouble? If the answer is yes as an influentual shareholder why did he leave those he left behind to enact that plan? |
Some valid questions.
As above, we all need further detailed information from various parties. | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 17:58 - Apr 5 with 1862 views | tony_roch975 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 17:36 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Some valid questions.
As above, we all need further detailed information from various parties. |
my point exactly | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 18:08 - Apr 5 with 1829 views | 442Dale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 17:58 - Apr 5 by tony_roch975 |
my point exactly |
Possibly you missed my other reply which clarified I hadn’t claimed anything about individuals. Which is what you’d said in reply to my post which had already established “We are all in need of further, detailed information from all sides.” | |
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| Trust questions to Dunphy on 18:36 - Apr 5 with 1748 views | dawlishdale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 17:36 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
Some valid questions.
As above, we all need further detailed information from various parties. |
Chris Dunphy left because of the constant arguing within the Boardroom...mainly between a former Director and a current one. It very much looked like there was a power struggle going on and the other Directors were too weak/preoccupied to do much about it.
He also wasn't around as much in his last year , due to business reasons and also a family bereavement which upset him deeply.
The only thing he would say to me when I asked him why he stepped down so quickly was
"I can't work with idiots" He didn't name names.
It must be obvious who he is speaking of...seeing as the other Director who was and still is there deals with the licencing of the ground and the pub, and the third one who stood down just before CD's exit is a part of his proposed "rescue team". That only leaves one person... the same one that a few people have known about all along...certainly since the Exiles fiasco.
Fortunately, a significant number of people have realised what has been happening, and are now doing something about it. To do nothing, or to constantly ask silly questions (sorry James...but you are silly at times !!) is oh so bury. | | | |
| Trust questions to Dunphy on 18:56 - Apr 5 with 1697 views | 442Dale |
Would think any Bury fans seeing this play out are now realising exactly why as a fanbase we do always push for further info, seek clarity and information and don’t resort to “well we can’t do anything so enjoy the ride”. It’s excellent that the work of supporters to push their club, the Trust and various individuals is now ensuring that fans are as well informed as possible. Of course, full credit to CD for details about the direction he’d like the club to take and to answer fans already.
And to be fair, those questions that are raised can add to that - as long as they are channeled in the right direction to try and get answers out into the public domain. As seen by the Trust’s article this week - prompted by fans and acting on their behalf- and the great work by Fitzo recently. [Post edited 5 Apr 2021 19:11]
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 19:16 - Apr 5 with 1615 views | tony_roch975 |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 17:11 - Apr 5 by 442Dale |
I haven’t claimed anything about any individuals. |
doesn't seem to stop you criticising BBM [Post edited 5 Apr 2021 19:17]
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| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 19:21 - Apr 5 with 1595 views | 442Dale |
| Trust questions to Dunphy (n/t) on 19:16 - Apr 5 by tony_roch975 |
doesn't seem to stop you criticising BBM [Post edited 5 Apr 2021 19:17]
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Not sure why the argument keeps being moved with certain points being overlooked. You stated I’d said something which wasn’t the case, then agreed with what I’d already stated prior to that about getting as much information as possible made available from all sides.
None of that has anything to do with any criticism of the manager’s choices both tactically and in terms of selection. Happy to discuss those in detail, but maybe better in the match thread where they were raised? | |
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