| BBM 18:16 - Jan 16 with 9091 views | blackdogblue |
The last few match threads & other posts have started to call for Bbexit (claiming it before Baz 😀).
I like most am not happy with results, league position or at least half the squad at the moment. Covid aside, would we have invested more in the team? No one will know for sure but I doubt it...
Do I call for Bbexit.. No..
Do I think he is doing a good job?.. On the fence
Do I think he is up to League 1 Manager.. No..
What would I do if I was the Chairman?
Bring a new Manager in & make BBM assistant to gain more experience???
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| BBM on 13:37 - Jan 18 with 2825 views | TomRAFC |
| BBM on 19:23 - Jan 16 by VivaDonaldo |
I think an experienced Assistant would undermine BBM's authority and if I was him I'd consider it an insult.
If there is money around to potentially change the manager (and likely the need to change backroom staff too) I'd much rather that the money was used to bolster the playing options for BBM instead.
He's got an eye for a player and this team are obviously playing for him. I think with a slightly deeper squad we stay up this year. |
I get what you mean. There's a difference between an enforced assistant and knowing when to ask for help. It's something we all need to do if we want to improve in life.
Even when we have some of our more skilled defenders playing, we leak goals. It's been that way for a long time and it's not something he seems to be able to fix. Seeking guidance from an experienced defensive coach could be as handy as getting another player in. Maybe even an exprienced centre back who has done their coching badges. Two birds, one stone.
A left back is a priority but another striker is also needed. Humphrys can't play every game. A Wilbraham/Davies style signing might help, in the sense of having an old head as an option when needed. |  |
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| BBM on 14:15 - Jan 18 with 2727 views | James1980 |
| BBM on 13:37 - Jan 18 by TomRAFC |
I get what you mean. There's a difference between an enforced assistant and knowing when to ask for help. It's something we all need to do if we want to improve in life.
Even when we have some of our more skilled defenders playing, we leak goals. It's been that way for a long time and it's not something he seems to be able to fix. Seeking guidance from an experienced defensive coach could be as handy as getting another player in. Maybe even an exprienced centre back who has done their coching badges. Two birds, one stone.
A left back is a priority but another striker is also needed. Humphrys can't play every game. A Wilbraham/Davies style signing might help, in the sense of having an old head as an option when needed. |
When did we last have a dedicated defence coach?
Could a combination of playing style and lack of height lead to us not practicing defending dead ball situations effectively in training? | |
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| BBM on 15:56 - Jan 18 with 2673 views | electricblue |
| BBM on 14:15 - Jan 18 by James1980 |
When did we last have a dedicated defence coach?
Could a combination of playing style and lack of height lead to us not practicing defending dead ball situations effectively in training? |
Most probably the answer to that would be Griffiths when hill brought him in to help... out |  |
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| BBM on 16:28 - Jan 18 with 2623 views | James1980 |
| BBM on 15:56 - Jan 18 by electricblue |
Most probably the answer to that would be Griffiths when hill brought him in to help... out |
So if Hill was willing to have a that sort of assistance perhaps BBM would be open to the idea of a defence coach. | |
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| BBM on 16:55 - Jan 18 with 2554 views | jonahwhereru |
| BBM on 16:28 - Jan 18 by James1980 |
So if Hill was willing to have a that sort of assistance perhaps BBM would be open to the idea of a defence coach. |
James who would they coach, we have no LB, a RB who can barely train between playing half games and two centre half’s who are injured.
BBM as a player sat in front of the back four and if McShane cannot play he still has plenty of experience to impart into other, in particular Roberts. As a player McShane was easily the equal of Griffiths. Money needs spending on the pitch not off it. | | | |
| BBM on 17:14 - Jan 18 with 2499 views | electricblue |
| BBM on 16:28 - Jan 18 by James1980 |
So if Hill was willing to have a that sort of assistance perhaps BBM would be open to the idea of a defence coach. |
Ive said that a few times........ | |
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| BBM on 17:35 - Jan 18 with 2455 views | 442Dale |
| BBM on 16:28 - Jan 18 by James1980 |
So if Hill was willing to have a that sort of assistance perhaps BBM would be open to the idea of a defence coach. |
Difference was Griffiths wasn’t brought in as defensive coach, he was helping Hill until Flitcroft became available. |  |
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| BBM on 17:35 - Jan 18 with 2456 views | James1980 |
| BBM on 16:55 - Jan 18 by jonahwhereru |
James who would they coach, we have no LB, a RB who can barely train between playing half games and two centre half’s who are injured.
BBM as a player sat in front of the back four and if McShane cannot play he still has plenty of experience to impart into other, in particular Roberts. As a player McShane was easily the equal of Griffiths. Money needs spending on the pitch not off it. |
I am not sure whether he should or shouldn't have a defence coach. Just responding to Tom's comment. You make very good points, is it possible some specialised coaching might be handy for those players mentioned? | |
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| BBM on 18:18 - Jan 18 with 2400 views | mikehunt |
Could Calvin still do a job for us. I always rated him as a box to box player and he was a good defender. You never know he might even bag a goal or two (Don’t laugh)
Can’t be worse than what we have the moment if he was match fit. |  |
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| BBM on 18:52 - Jan 18 with 2327 views | ChaffRAFC |
| BBM on 18:18 - Jan 18 by mikehunt |
Could Calvin still do a job for us. I always rated him as a box to box player and he was a good defender. You never know he might even bag a goal or two (Don’t laugh)
Can’t be worse than what we have the moment if he was match fit. |
Please please please tell me you're not serious?
He wasn't a good defender at all, he was useful at getting a head on the ball at set pieces but he wasn't a good defender, or a good striker, or a good footballer. |  |
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| BBM on 23:44 - Jan 18 with 2161 views | mikehunt |
Well I am half-serious. Do you not think the Calvin we had would have made a positive difference against Wigan on Saturday? We have no height in the team particularly in defence with O’Connell out and if we need a plan B or C we have no one to lump it up to who can keep hold of the ball.
He certainly wasn’t a striker but he fit the criteria I just listed. And he defended very well, when he played, in BBM’s run of games after taking over from Keef. | |
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| BBM on 06:57 - Jan 19 with 2058 views | richfoad32 |
| BBM on 23:44 - Jan 18 by mikehunt |
Well I am half-serious. Do you not think the Calvin we had would have made a positive difference against Wigan on Saturday? We have no height in the team particularly in defence with O’Connell out and if we need a plan B or C we have no one to lump it up to who can keep hold of the ball.
He certainly wasn’t a striker but he fit the criteria I just listed. And he defended very well, when he played, in BBM’s run of games after taking over from Keef. |
He was handy to have when the opposition were slinging desperation balls into the box in the last 5 minutes of games but didn't he actually start a game as centre half at Wimbledon? and it was a disaster? I seem to remember a cameo appearance at left back that didn't go much better either. Being tall and able to head the ball is not the only requirements, otherwise we might as well just've kept Delaney. Agree that Beesley could be better at holding the ball up, but hopefully that's an aspect of his game that will improve.
Owt against Calvin, but there must be better options. | | | |
| BBM on 09:33 - Jan 19 with 1979 views | Quigley_dale |
| BBM on 23:44 - Jan 18 by mikehunt |
Well I am half-serious. Do you not think the Calvin we had would have made a positive difference against Wigan on Saturday? We have no height in the team particularly in defence with O’Connell out and if we need a plan B or C we have no one to lump it up to who can keep hold of the ball.
He certainly wasn’t a striker but he fit the criteria I just listed. And he defended very well, when he played, in BBM’s run of games after taking over from Keef. |
Take it you wasn't at Wimbledon away a few years back when he started as centre back? Think we were 3 down after 30 minutes, and he somehow managed not to get sent off after hauling down their striker, who was clean through on goal.
Was he an asset at defending set plays? Absolutely. Can he play in defence full time? Absolutely not. | | | |
| BBM on 11:02 - Jan 19 with 1895 views | jonahwhereru |
There is a massive difference in being the free defender in your own box,tasked with attacking he ball at set pieces and marking a player out of set pieces.
To be fair to him at Wimbledon he was a body in their to plug gaps, literally. He was not directly fault for any of the goals. It didn’t help when Luke headed a ball onto the foot of a striker who now plays in the Championship for their first. But Neither Calvin nor anyone else wanted him playing as CH that day. | | | |
| BBM on 12:46 - Jan 19 with 1792 views | ChaffRAFC |
| BBM on 23:44 - Jan 18 by mikehunt |
Well I am half-serious. Do you not think the Calvin we had would have made a positive difference against Wigan on Saturday? We have no height in the team particularly in defence with O’Connell out and if we need a plan B or C we have no one to lump it up to who can keep hold of the ball.
He certainly wasn’t a striker but he fit the criteria I just listed. And he defended very well, when he played, in BBM’s run of games after taking over from Keef. |
No, I think positionally, he'd have been all over the place positionally and cost us goals through being unable to mark properly.
Beesley should be offering as much as what Calvin did when defending corners and holding the ball up as well. | |
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| BBM on 12:58 - Jan 19 with 1765 views | dingdangblue |
| BBM on 18:52 - Jan 18 by ChaffRAFC |
Please please please tell me you're not serious?
He wasn't a good defender at all, he was useful at getting a head on the ball at set pieces but he wasn't a good defender, or a good striker, or a good footballer. |
Scored winners at Charlton and Doncaster. |  |
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| BBM on 14:17 - Jan 19 with 1658 views | TVOS1907 |
| BBM on 12:58 - Jan 19 by dingdangblue |
Scored winners at Charlton and Doncaster. |
Mark Leonard once scored a winner v Cardiff. |  |
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| BBM on 14:40 - Jan 19 with 1609 views | Quigley_dale |
| BBM on 14:17 - Jan 19 by TVOS1907 |
Mark Leonard once scored a winner v Cardiff. |
And Wrexham! | | | |
| BBM on 15:02 - Jan 19 with 1561 views | dingdangblue |
| BBM on 14:17 - Jan 19 by TVOS1907 |
Mark Leonard once scored a winner v Cardiff. |
Calvin did far more good for Dale than Leonard so I don't see your point. Yes Calvin shouldn't have been offered his last contract but he had a far far better career at Dale than the likes of Leonard. | |
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| BBM on 15:11 - Jan 19 with 1551 views | TVOS1907 |
| BBM on 15:02 - Jan 19 by dingdangblue |
Calvin did far more good for Dale than Leonard so I don't see your point. Yes Calvin shouldn't have been offered his last contract but he had a far far better career at Dale than the likes of Leonard. |
Absolutely.
My point was that picking out just a couple of winning goals doesn't really provide a strong counter-argument to Chaff's post.
And you missed out his winners v Bradford and Port Vale. | |
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| BBM on 15:35 - Jan 19 with 1491 views | dingdangblue |
| BBM on 15:11 - Jan 19 by TVOS1907 |
Absolutely.
My point was that picking out just a couple of winning goals doesn't really provide a strong counter-argument to Chaff's post.
And you missed out his winners v Bradford and Port Vale. |
Agreed. I was just making a quick reply. Calvin gets a lot of unwarranted stick for me. Yes he was never a Hendo,Humps or Hogan - but he had his moments and he played his part in the goal which kept us in League 1 - far from the best but even further from the worst we've had. | |
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| BBM on 18:51 - Jan 19 with 1322 views | 442Dale |
| BBM on 15:35 - Jan 19 by dingdangblue |
Agreed. I was just making a quick reply. Calvin gets a lot of unwarranted stick for me. Yes he was never a Hendo,Humps or Hogan - but he had his moments and he played his part in the goal which kept us in League 1 - far from the best but even further from the worst we've had. |
If we’d had Calvin in the 80s he’d have been considered a club legend, as it is he’s still on the “really good servant” pile for me. A lot of the stick he got was a bit disrespectful as he’d be the first to admit his goalscoring should have been better, but bar the last couple of years he was a valuable member of the squad. | |
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| BBM on 19:08 - Jan 19 with 1286 views | finberty |
| BBM on 18:51 - Jan 19 by 442Dale |
If we’d had Calvin in the 80s he’d have been considered a club legend, as it is he’s still on the “really good servant” pile for me. A lot of the stick he got was a bit disrespectful as he’d be the first to admit his goalscoring should have been better, but bar the last couple of years he was a valuable member of the squad. |
And a tremendous ambassador for the club, of whom he still speaks highly. And not many of the Radio Bolton pundits are able to do that. |  | | |
| BBM on 19:59 - Jan 19 with 1225 views | golfaduffy |
| BBM on 15:35 - Jan 19 by dingdangblue |
Agreed. I was just making a quick reply. Calvin gets a lot of unwarranted stick for me. Yes he was never a Hendo,Humps or Hogan - but he had his moments and he played his part in the goal which kept us in League 1 - far from the best but even further from the worst we've had. |
Fully agree. Calvin was a fantastic servant for the club, and apart from the club blundering in offering him his last seasons deal (club's fault; not Calvins) he will be remembered fondly by most. Apart from Davymycock, who had it in for him, whilst somehow recently trying to defend the recent non-goalscoring record of Matt Done. | | | |
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