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VAR is a blight on our game 20:47 - Oct 20 with 19575 views

Watford robbed yesterday and man yoo's goal should not have stood today. So something that was designed to eradicate controversy is actually creating it.

Seemlingly a huge proportion of goals being referred to VAR. Referees don't have to referee any more. Fans can't properly celebrate in the moment of joy when the ball hits the net because the immediate reaction is to see if it gets referred to VAR. It's also an irritating name.

i truly hate it.

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VAR is a blight on our game on 10:35 - Oct 21 with 1967 views

Mick_S

"The true beauty of football is the immediacy and the release of someone scoring. Orgasmic ecstasy after all that frustration. VAR is like losing your erection half way through the act."

In front of 30,000 people.

Did I ever mention that I was in Minder?

VAR is a blight on our game on 10:36 - Oct 21 with 1965 views

Northernr

Another impact it's had is to massively increase dissent and referee crowding. Every fcking incident now there's five or six round the referee asking him to check it. They do it after every goal, which is pointless as every goal is checked anyway.

VAR is a blight on our game on 10:37 - Oct 21 with 1963 views

CamberleyR

If they're going to use it they should adopt a similar system to cricket. Each team's captain gets two reviews per half to challenge a contentious decision.

If the ref's decision was shown to be wrong and the challenge is correct they keep the review, if the challenge is incorrect and the officials' decision is upheld, they lose it.

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VAR is a blight on our game on 10:39 - Oct 21 with 1952 views

Northernr

VAR is a blight on our game on 10:37 - Oct 21 by CamberleyR
If they're going to use it they should adopt a similar system to cricket. Each team's captain gets two reviews per half to challenge a contentious decision. If the ref's decision was shown to be wrong and the challenge is correct they keep the review, if the challenge is incorrect and the officials' decision is upheld, they lose it.

But then presumably Leicester, Watford and Liverpool would all have challenged their decisions this weekend, they'd have been reviewed, and then the Burnley goal would still have been incorrectly disallowed, the Watford penalty would still have been incorrectly waved away, and the Man Utd goal would still have stood even though that contradicts what happened the day before.

VAR is a blight on our game on 10:40 - Oct 21 with 1948 views

Metallica_Hoop

It all seems so NFL to me.

The cricket version I get and does make the game a bit more exciting however the football varsion is rubbish.

'Var the boneless.

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VAR is a blight on our game on 10:49 - Oct 21 with 1919 views

ted_hendrix

Its gone to var if you ask me.

My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic.

VAR is a blight on our game on 10:58 - Oct 21 with 1880 views

LongsufferingR

on 01:00 - Jan 1 by

I sincerely hope your last sentence is the truth.

VAR is a blight on our game on 11:29 - Oct 21 with 1833 views

daveB

It's been really poor so far, the Burnley goal being disallowed but the Man Utd one being OK summed it up, they just don't over turn decisions making it completely pointless.

Said it loads of times they should just have it similar to cricket and give each team 3 reviews a game and a time limit on all 3. You have to appeal within 6 seconds of the incident and if your appeal fails and the ref was right you lose one of your 2 remaining ones which should help prevent teams just appealing every goal they concede on the off chance an arse cheek is offside.

The communication needs to be miles better as well, watching the Rugby weekend I have no idea what the rules of that are but when they go to TMO they clearly say what they are looking for and everyone in the stadium and watching on TV understands it.

VAR is a blight on our game on 11:41 - Oct 21 with 1819 views

daveB

VAR is a blight on our game on 10:04 - Oct 21 by PinnerPaul

because as I have said before VAR isn't some mythical all seeing being - its just another referee who will have a subjective opinion like his colleague out on the pitch.

We will agree with some, not with others. VAR doesn't change that so not worth the delay, aggravation in my mind.

Only genuine corrections have been offsides that are often millimetres - again is all the hassle/time delay/discussion worth it just to correct the odd wrong decision and that's all it is.

As for the protocol and the Man Utd/Liverpool incident - despite my dislike of VAR - nothing wrong with that decision -some thought it a foul, some not - so evidently its NOT a clear and obvious error!

Can't agree about the Watford 'pen' though - he fouled him 3 times! There again the fact that you thought it wasn't a pen makes it not a clear and obvious error I guess!

The way they have done it by not over turning anything is just a clever/sneaky way to make fans accept the going to the pitchside monitor for 3 minutes and watching it again

VAR is a blight on our game on 11:50 - Oct 21 with 1799 views

francisbowles

VAR is a blight on our game on 11:41 - Oct 21 by daveB
The way they have done it by not over turning anything is just a clever/sneaky way to make fans accept the going to the pitchside monitor for 3 minutes and watching it again

Except, unlike the rest of the world they don't use the pitch side monitor in the English league. The decision to overule or not seems to be made at Stockley Park.

Supposedly, don't laugh, for minimum interference from VAR!

VAR is a blight on our game on 11:55 - Oct 21 with 1791 views

daveB

VAR is a blight on our game on 11:50 - Oct 21 by francisbowles
Except, unlike the rest of the world they don't use the pitch side monitor in the English league. The decision to overule or not seems to be made at Stockley Park. Supposedly, don't laugh, for minimum interference from VAR!

thats the point, if they they did the pitchside thing everyone would moan and say it takes too much time but by not doing it and not changing any wrong decisions people are now calling for it so they can bring it in now

VAR is a blight on our game on 12:18 - Oct 21 with 1757 views

daveB

on 01:00 - Jan 1 by

it was one of the big arguments against bringing it in that it took too much time at games

VAR is a blight on our game on 12:34 - Oct 21 with 1738 views

ManinBlack

It's purpose seems to be to exonerate the referees as when they make the wrong call VAR backs their decision so in essence making out the ref was right all along. I suspect this gives them the cop out to still favour the bigger clubs when they play the lesser teams like Watford being denied a penalty at Spurs.

VAR is a blight on our game on 13:19 - Oct 21 with 1700 views

PinnerPaul

VAR is a blight on our game on 12:18 - Oct 21 by daveB
it was one of the big arguments against bringing it in that it took too much time at games

Yes agree, it didn't work well at all for me.

There was one penalty I remember - ref gave it - she was 3 yards away - VAR told her to go to pitchside monitor to check - she did and still , correctly, gave the pen - complete and utter waste of time.

Convinced Martin Atkinson would not have changed decision even after looking at pitch side monitor. would just equal more dissent, more time

VAR is a blight on our game on 13:25 - Oct 21 with 1690 views

The_Beast1976

VAR is a blight on our game on 10:17 - Oct 21 by loftboy
As far as I’m concerned it’s a clusterfÃ»ck. Totally ruined the games for those spectators that matter. The ones that actually pay to go to a game. FÃ»ck the armchair fans,fÃ»ck the knobheads down the pub in their replica shirts that have never stepped inside a football stadium in their life and FÃ›CK Sky you complete and utter bunch of cÃ»nts.

"Totally ruined the games for those spectators that matter".

That's where you are unfortunately in conflict with the people who run the game. In modern football it is the armchairs watching at home and the knobheads down the pub in their replica kits who are the ones that matter. Fans who go to games are really only a minor importance to the extent that they provide an atmosphere for the more important people watching on the tv. VAR gives the more important people watching on tv more to debate and,. for that reason, it will be going nowhere.

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VAR is a blight on our game on 15:42 - Oct 21 with 1627 views

timcocking

So bloody typical. For years i've been lambasting them for not using technology. I was in South Africa when we'd have beaten the Germans, but they disallowed Lampard's goal that almost went through the back of the net, almost killed me.

Be careful what you wish for in life, it is bloody grim. I bet the national rate of heart attacks is rising because of it. The word debacle springs to mind.

VAR is a blight on our game on 19:23 - Oct 21 with 1562 views

BlackCrowe

i could just about stomach this.

Two reviews per team as in cricket - captain calls for the review. if review goes in your favour then remaining reviews stay in tact, if not then you lost one.

Each review replay is physically viewed by ref for his decision only as in rugby.

The fans get to see on the big screen exactly what the ref sees for transparency and feeling part of it all as in rugby and cricket.

Finally call it anything but VAR.

Hope this helps.

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VAR is a blight on our game on 19:40 - Oct 21 with 1544 views

QPR_John

VAR is a blight on our game on 19:23 - Oct 21 by BlackCrowe

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"transparency"

That's were your plan falls. The last thing the authorities want is transparency

VAR is a blight on our game on 21:01 - Oct 21 with 1512 views

HantsR

Breaking news: Because of the VAR decisions yesterday, Jurgen Klopp and his family have decided to leave the UK, they are leaving on Sunday 27th October at 02.00am. Remember you heard it here first, the Klopps go back on 27th October!

VAR is a blight on our game on 21:45 - Oct 21 with 1488 views

blacky2013

VAR is a blight on our game on 09:10 - Oct 21 by CamberleyR
I read somewhere that pre-VAR, referees got about 98.5% of decisions right so millions of pounds is being wasted ruining the game in the process to try to make it 1.5% better.

I reckon if they want to make it more than 1.5% better for much less money they should crack down on the players hitting the deck like they've been shot at the slightest touch.

VAR is a blight on our game on 09:45 - Oct 22 with 1402 views

francisbowles

VAR is a blight on our game on 19:23 - Oct 21 by BlackCrowe

[Post edited 21 Oct 2019 19:24]

Except if you gave the power to the players, they would start abusing it and when leading 1-0 with minutes to go call any unused reviews just to break up the game. The go to the side of the pitch for a drinks break, extensive coaching session etc etc. just before the review has finished to delay it even more.

VAR is a blight on our game on 14:04 - Oct 22 with 1329 views

QPR_John

VAR is a blight on our game on 09:45 - Oct 22 by francisbowles
Except if you gave the power to the players, they would start abusing it and when leading 1-0 with minutes to go call any unused reviews just to break up the game. The go to the side of the pitch for a drinks break, extensive coaching session etc etc. just before the review has finished to delay it even more.

I would suggest if any team had unused reviews so late in the game they will not have used the system correctly

VAR is a blight on our game on 16:12 - Oct 22 with 1289 views

Addinall

We were told it was to clear up "clear and obvious errors" . Overturning offside decisions of a yard or more makes sense. Millimetres or inches is nonsense. Likewise with blatant fouls and handball it makes sense but if they have to check to the nth degree then it is not clear and obvious. Stick to "clear and obvious" and most of the controversy goes away.

VAR is a blight on our game on 16:17 - Oct 22 with 2797 views

PinnerPaul

VAR is a blight on our game on 16:12 - Oct 22 by Addinall
We were told it was to clear up "clear and obvious errors" . Overturning offside decisions of a yard or more makes sense. Millimetres or inches is nonsense. Likewise with blatant fouls and handball it makes sense but if they have to check to the nth degree then it is not clear and obvious. Stick to "clear and obvious" and most of the controversy goes away.

Except you still get people arguing the toss over it - a la at the weekend.

IF and its a big IF you HAVE to keep it, take out ALL the subjective stuff.

Just stick to GLT Plus ball in/out of play; offside (but as you say you need a built in tolerance level - if below that go with original decision) and handball by the attacking team as that, due to the new law IS now an objective decision. Of course you can still keep the good old 'mistaken identity' that IS one of the things VAR deals with - pity that happens about as often as a QPR cup final appearance!

VAR is a blight on our game on 22:12 - Oct 22 with 2736 views

rrrspricey

If we had var tonight fakes would have been down to 10 men and we'd have been awarded a pen so swings and roundabouts

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