| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed 11:11 - Feb 15 with 9393 views | BillericayR |
Doing the business again.
I am a Warnock fan and think we made a wrong decision employing IH - but appreciate he does divide opinion. |  | | |  |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:03 - Feb 15 with 2083 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 14:51 - Feb 15 by daveB |
I agree he did a really good job and was unlucky not to get Williams, Graham etc after we went up but he did have a decent (not great) transfer budget under Flavio and already had the nucleus of a side that stayed up in the end. He brought in several players who were no longer needed by the end of August. I thought he was too quick to write off players like Hill and Helguson who when he brought them back in were the ones to keep us up.
The panic stations signings didn't have to happen and bringing in those big names were a big part of his downfall with us and the start of our own meltdown over the last few years.
He shouldn't have been sacked though, I said that at the time but not many agreed. Too many fans were as star struck as Fernandes at that time wanting big names and Warnock didn't fit in anymore. A right cock up all round |
At least two of his signings, Bothroyd and Campbell, under E&B were stated transfer targets of his.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/jun/17/neil-warnock-signings-queens-pa |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:09 - Feb 15 with 2071 views | WestbourneR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 14:51 - Feb 15 by daveB |
I agree he did a really good job and was unlucky not to get Williams, Graham etc after we went up but he did have a decent (not great) transfer budget under Flavio and already had the nucleus of a side that stayed up in the end. He brought in several players who were no longer needed by the end of August. I thought he was too quick to write off players like Hill and Helguson who when he brought them back in were the ones to keep us up.
The panic stations signings didn't have to happen and bringing in those big names were a big part of his downfall with us and the start of our own meltdown over the last few years.
He shouldn't have been sacked though, I said that at the time but not many agreed. Too many fans were as star struck as Fernandes at that time wanting big names and Warnock didn't fit in anymore. A right cock up all round |
It would dishonest of me not to admit that I was one of the fans that got star struck by Fernandes's money and the lure of big name players and managers. I felt that Warnock (particularly after the MK Dons game) had lost his way and the team.
(If Jamie was around I'm sure he'll tel you) I was a big advocate of Mark Hughes.
I was very wrong. And I'd have Warnock back.
Like with every manager he does have his weak spots. Hill at Left back not centre back was odd, he seems incapable of buying a decent striker (Graham was his first pick! Hulse etc.). He's got an annoying voice and he's always blaming someone else for any mistakes a la Redknapp. [Post edited 15 Feb 2017 15:10]
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:13 - Feb 15 with 2055 views | RBlock |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 12:03 - Feb 15 by kensalriser |
Can we have another Barton thread?
Or maybe Adel. Haven't done that for a couple of months. |
Adel scored for Genoa the other day! |  | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:17 - Feb 15 with 2035 views | LongsufferingR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:13 - Feb 15 by RBlock |
Adel scored for Genoa the other day! |
Christ man, what have you started now??? |  | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:17 - Feb 15 with 2028 views | BrixtonR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 13:42 - Feb 15 by Toast_R |
Well not really so , when he took over QPR were heading to League 1 at a rate of knots with a squad full of loanees and completely unmotivated/disillusioned players who had gone through 4 manager changes in less then a season.
He dragged the club out of the mire, put an arm around a few players, worked out what was needed and who wasn't and managed to build a title winning team in a transfer window without spending a stupid amount of money. We can throw the old " His team relied on Adel to score goals etc" all we want, but the fact remains to this date that he was the only manager in the World ever who has got the best out of that player. like Robin WIlliams was to Good Will Hunting. The tragedy of it all was that Briatori's mob halted the natural progress and momentum into the Premier League. Warnock wasn't able to get his summer targets and instead, had to get the best of what was left hanging around and to do that the club took the option of blowing any potential competition out of the water to get them signed. Would he have really signed Barton, Ferdinand, Luke Young and SWP has he been able to bring in Ashley Williams, Danny Graham and Wayne Routledge who were apparently around his house waiting to sign? Probably not and how much of a save in wages would that have been?
His demise at QPR was totally unfair in my mind, he was a victim of some horrible circumstances and the arseholes the club brought in (for the wrong reasons it transpired ) completely let him down but having said that, look at his record and compare that to Hughes and Redknapp with QPR in the Premier League. How many away wins was it they mustered despite the spending? that'll be about none then...
I think NW is a great manager, I always curse the day he was shamefully sacked and hold that as as the catalyst of the clubs demise, the very least he deserved from QPR was that January transfer window. I'd have had us to stay up without having Bolton bail us out. I also regret him being passed over for JFH last season. A blunder that has set us back another 18 months, maybe worse if we go down this season IMO. |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:26 - Feb 15 with 2004 views | DannytheR |
Just so I understand, it was Briatore's fault that Warnock broke up the defence had just won the Championship in favour of Luke Young, Armand Traore, Danny Gabbidon and Anton Ferdinand?
And it was Briatore that then sent Clint Hill out on loan?
Just want to make sure I've got my facts right. |  | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:30 - Feb 15 with 1993 views | paulparker |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:26 - Feb 15 by DannytheR |
Just so I understand, it was Briatore's fault that Warnock broke up the defence had just won the Championship in favour of Luke Young, Armand Traore, Danny Gabbidon and Anton Ferdinand?
And it was Briatore that then sent Clint Hill out on loan?
Just want to make sure I've got my facts right. |
no it was Briatores fault that we didn't get Bassong ,Williams , or Naughton to add to our defence
I love these fans that come on here and slate Warnock but still cannot come up with who they would have bought with a week of the transfer window left |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:34 - Feb 15 with 1985 views | Northernr |
Champions of the world.
The problems you see before you (and have seen before you since 2011) are absolutely, definitely the fault of the individual managers, CEOs, DOFs, and one or two players who are easily the worst footballers we've ever seen in the history of the sport. Drive them out and replace them with "hungry young manager/grizzled experienced Championship manager/player that actually tries/players from lower divisions with something to prove/talented Premier League players/Ross McCormack" and everything will immediately right itself and our enormous club with eight promotions in its entire history would once again sweep all before it.
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:49 - Feb 15 with 1930 views | DannytheR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:30 - Feb 15 by paulparker |
no it was Briatores fault that we didn't get Bassong ,Williams , or Naughton to add to our defence
I love these fans that come on here and slate Warnock but still cannot come up with who they would have bought with a week of the transfer window left |
I'm not slating him, I'm asking a question.
I'm not sure it's a "fact" that we bought the players we bought because Warnock only had a week to buy anyone. It's what Warnock told the press. There are different opinions out there. Obviously you won't ever accept them, but you can't claim something as a "fact" without a bit more than evidence than one person's say so.
And the thing is, even if that was the case, then given how much money Ferdinand, Traore and Young ended up costing and how little they contributed, would it not have been better just to have kept the defence we went up with? If all the players he really wanted had already gone elsewhere, why bring in others he presumably didn't?
For all that we loved the team that won the Championship, the manager himself seemed pretty keen to break it up. [Post edited 15 Feb 2017 15:51]
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:53 - Feb 15 with 1903 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I have no idea where we'd be, but it's pretty ironic we're asking the question while our current former legend is getting a bit of undue stick. |  | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:57 - Feb 15 with 1890 views | Toast_R |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:26 - Feb 15 by DannytheR |
Just so I understand, it was Briatore's fault that Warnock broke up the defence had just won the Championship in favour of Luke Young, Armand Traore, Danny Gabbidon and Anton Ferdinand?
And it was Briatore that then sent Clint Hill out on loan?
Just want to make sure I've got my facts right. |
The fact is though, we just don’t know what was going on there, only that there was obviously no money to spend on transfers whilst the club was pending sale. Understandable I guess, you wouldn’t build a loft extension while your house was under offer. So Warnock’s only remit was to bring in players out of contract on a free and try and make the budget work on the wages. Did that mean to bring in Bothroyd (who off the back of a good season at Cardiff and an England cap must have had offers and looked a good signing) he needed to free up some money for wages and Kaspars Gorks was the only viable asset he felt he could lose if he could also sign up Gabbidon and that Peroni guy as cover?
Orr and Hill were retained as full backs and subsequently QPR were torn a new one by Bolton in the opening match (Hill losing his head and getting sent off I seem to remember) and so it became apparent that there were improvements needed in defence as a priority, perhaps an over reaction on the back of the early defeats but I actually think Hill upped his game massively on his return from Forest. Orr was never going to cut it at that level and so it proved. |  | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 16:04 - Feb 15 with 1871 views | paulparker |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:49 - Feb 15 by DannytheR |
I'm not slating him, I'm asking a question.
I'm not sure it's a "fact" that we bought the players we bought because Warnock only had a week to buy anyone. It's what Warnock told the press. There are different opinions out there. Obviously you won't ever accept them, but you can't claim something as a "fact" without a bit more than evidence than one person's say so.
And the thing is, even if that was the case, then given how much money Ferdinand, Traore and Young ended up costing and how little they contributed, would it not have been better just to have kept the defence we went up with? If all the players he really wanted had already gone elsewhere, why bring in others he presumably didn't?
For all that we loved the team that won the Championship, the manager himself seemed pretty keen to break it up. [Post edited 15 Feb 2017 15:51]
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Well if you look at Bradley Orr he was no where near good enough for the Prem
Gorkks had to be sold to free up funds for Campbell
Shittu see Orr
Connelly I think could have been ok and was kept around for back up
Fitz Hall crap and injury prone
Ramage see Hall
Hill if you asked any fan at the time if we was Prem quality a lot would have said no especially after his awful display against Bolton , it just goes to show how much he showed Warnock that he could turn it around
Williams was a dead cert to come to us but the deal was scrapped , Bassong was another where it fell through due to our board and that spurs missed out on cahill
van arn holt was another player we messed about , the same as Naughton
all of those players would have added to the championship winning team but we know whose was to blame
now Gabbidon was a cheap filler we were desperate for someone in the summer , Ferdinand was a good signing and actually started off really well , it all went to pot after the Terry incident ,
Young I have to say I was surprised at and ive never rated but he could cover all positions , Traore was a left back that we needed ie someone with pace
buying on the last day or week is never good business if Warnock was allowed his original targets then it could have been all so different, don't forget he even got this lot winning at Stoke & Everton as well as beating Chelsea | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 16:45 - Feb 15 with 1797 views | daveB |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 15:30 - Feb 15 by paulparker |
no it was Briatores fault that we didn't get Bassong ,Williams , or Naughton to add to our defence
I love these fans that come on here and slate Warnock but still cannot come up with who they would have bought with a week of the transfer window left |
Could have bought no one rather than Young, ferdinand and Traore and we'd have been better off. That defence of Orr, Gorkss, Connolly and Hill was more than capable with Gabbidon and Hall as back up but we sold off two of them, loaned the other out.
Warnock did great for us but he made a pigs ear of that transfer window and has said a few times if he had his time again he wouldn't have signed all those players |  | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 17:18 - Feb 15 with 1610 views | DejR_vu |
Cardiff were second bottom, with eight points from 11 games and -11 goal difference when he took over. We were 13th with 15 points and a -3 goal difference.
He's added 34 points and the goal difference has improved by four. They stand in 12th place.
We have added 19 points, seen our goal difference worsen by 11, and stand in 19th.
Pretty clear who is doing the better job. | |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 17:30 - Feb 15 with 1606 views | WadR |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 17:18 - Feb 15 by DejR_vu |
Cardiff were second bottom, with eight points from 11 games and -11 goal difference when he took over. We were 13th with 15 points and a -3 goal difference.
He's added 34 points and the goal difference has improved by four. They stand in 12th place.
We have added 19 points, seen our goal difference worsen by 11, and stand in 19th.
Pretty clear who is doing the better job. |
But, Cardiff's side is largely the same as the one that came 8th last year. Warnock's obviously done a good job, but I'd argue he's merely rectified the awful work done by Trollope earlier in the season and Cardiff have reverted back to their natural position in this league.
I look at his signings since taking over - Kieran Richardson (released after a couple of months), Chamakh (released after a couple of months), Greg Halford, Sol Bamba, Hoilett (if he rejected a new deal from us in the summer, presumably we can't match what he's currently paid by Cardiff). And then contrast that with the likes of Shodipo, Furlong, Manning, (Hamalainen to a lesser extent) that have been given first team opportunities this year by JFH and Olly.
Warnock's the master of short termism, survival with that Rotherham team last year is phenomenal. But would he have given Shodipo or Manning the opportunities they have had if he was manager this year? | | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 18:05 - Feb 15 with 1579 views | DejR_vu |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 17:30 - Feb 15 by WadR |
But, Cardiff's side is largely the same as the one that came 8th last year. Warnock's obviously done a good job, but I'd argue he's merely rectified the awful work done by Trollope earlier in the season and Cardiff have reverted back to their natural position in this league.
I look at his signings since taking over - Kieran Richardson (released after a couple of months), Chamakh (released after a couple of months), Greg Halford, Sol Bamba, Hoilett (if he rejected a new deal from us in the summer, presumably we can't match what he's currently paid by Cardiff). And then contrast that with the likes of Shodipo, Furlong, Manning, (Hamalainen to a lesser extent) that have been given first team opportunities this year by JFH and Olly.
Warnock's the master of short termism, survival with that Rotherham team last year is phenomenal. But would he have given Shodipo or Manning the opportunities they have had if he was manager this year? |
Well we weren't far behind last year in 12th.
I agree that Shodipo, Furlong and Manning have been given opportunities, although Warnock played Petrasso if memory serves me, so I'm not convinced he's averse to giving players a chance.
But the fact is, in the period since he arrived at Cardiff, he's harvested almost double the number of points that we have. | |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 18:11 - Feb 15 with 1569 views | Northernr |
We've changed the manager five times since January 2012.
The results have remained, barring one brief period when McClaren was here coaching and we were paying an £80m wage bill, consistently awful. And even then the football was dreadful to watch.
We need, as a club and supporters, to get over this obsession. | | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 18:11 - Feb 15 with 1569 views | PlanetHonneywood |
As Loic Remy is only on loan at Palace, could he play for us if we make the play-offs? |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 19:14 - Feb 15 with 1529 views | FredManRave |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 18:11 - Feb 15 by PlanetHonneywood |
As Loic Remy is only on loan at Palace, could he play for us if we make the play-offs? |
Let's just hope we've got enough time before the play-off semi at LR to expand capacity by digging down... |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 19:58 - Feb 15 with 1505 views | kensalriser |
Hold on. Warnock was re-employed. By Cardiff. |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 20:06 - Feb 15 with 1501 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Wait...I think one of you's changed your mind...?
No, my mistake. Carry on. |  |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 20:14 - Feb 15 with 1489 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Where would we be if we didn't sell Ferdinand in 96? | | | |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 20:24 - Feb 15 with 1473 views | FredManRave |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 20:14 - Feb 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Where would we be if we didn't sell Ferdinand in 96? |
Probably still in the Premier League with Warnock having recently celebrated 20 years at the club... | |
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| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 20:42 - Feb 15 with 1290 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Hypothetical Question - Where would we be now if Warnock had been re-employed on 20:14 - Feb 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Where would we be if we didn't sell Ferdinand in 96? |
Wondering just how good we could have been, if only we'd signed Mark Hartley! | |
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