| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons 18:33 - Jan 23 with 16906 views | DICKIETAPISAJACK |
Whilst we are a small fish in a big pond, (so are Bournemouth) next season the TV money goes through the roof & to a club like ours it will be like winning the lottery. It is imperative that we stay up. I don't think anyone can deny that if we had a guy that cud guarantee you 15 goals a season, we would pull clear of the dreaded drop. Yet our board turned down the opportunity to sign Naismith & Austin, as it has already been pointed out on this site, both scored today. We are ALWAYS taking the cheap option, whilst I have fully supported the conservative approach towards transfer fees in the past, risking relegation because you don't want to spend the fees that both Naismith & Austin went for is cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's greedy & stupidity by the board. The less the club spends, the more profit it makes and therefore the more dividends the directors can pay themselves. We are always doing things on the cheap, we appointed Mok cos he was cheap, we delayed sacking him to avoid paying up his contract, we placed a magnificent servant like Alan Curtis in an impossible position, because they wanted to avoid appointing a full time manager, who we would have to buy out his contract of his current club. & now we risk it all by playing Russian roulette with our premier league future. No wonder Jenkins has been bankrupt so often, he has bounced more times then Zebedee! They need to wake up, smell the coffee, & realise that they have to speculate to accumulate, just thus once. De Guzman & Sinclair is just going backwards, & will not solve the goalscoring problem. If we go down, how many of you will think we will comeback, honestly, with all bias aside? This is the one time they need to flash the cash. How much dividends do they think they can pay themselves in the championship with a half empty stadium? Tight fisted & short sighted morons |  |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:34 - Jan 24 with 1443 views | Phil_S |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:24 - Jan 24 by Borojack |
Phil am I right in thinking if we get relegated the club will be ok financially as there will be relegation clauses built in.
But basically the majority of the top earners will be sold.
If we manage to stay up would like to think the board will try and get back to there old ways and find motivated hungry players as opposed to some of the mercenaries we seem to be attracting of late. |
Relegation clauses will certainly help and of course there will be a reasonable amount of departures should the relegation happen
Doesn't change that some of the players that came out of the Championship with us are now possibly earning 5-6 times as much as they were then so even with the clause the wage bill for those will be higher if they stay
However, as has been seen at more than one club this season, player power is all conquering at clubs (and the Trust article backs that) and we have to work to retain the community feel of our club which has been lost since promotion ( the demise of the Trust bowling night is testament to that) |  | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:36 - Jan 24 with 1428 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:34 - Jan 24 by Phil_S |
Relegation clauses will certainly help and of course there will be a reasonable amount of departures should the relegation happen
Doesn't change that some of the players that came out of the Championship with us are now possibly earning 5-6 times as much as they were then so even with the clause the wage bill for those will be higher if they stay
However, as has been seen at more than one club this season, player power is all conquering at clubs (and the Trust article backs that) and we have to work to retain the community feel of our club which has been lost since promotion ( the demise of the Trust bowling night is testament to that) |
Do you know off the top of your head how much has been paid out in dividends over the years? |  |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:36 - Jan 24 with 1429 views | Phil_S |
I also find it really insulting to many people on here that someone who lives 200 miles away tells everyone that they do not understand this football club despite many of them understanding it far better than he will ever do.
This football club changed massively back in 2001 and I am certainly one of those people that wants it to be here for years to come for my future generations to enjoy as much as I have. | | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:37 - Jan 24 with 1424 views | Phil_S |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:36 - Jan 24 by exiledclaseboy |
Do you know off the top of your head how much has been paid out in dividends over the years? |
Yes I do, it is £4m. | | | |
| WOur board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:38 - Jan 24 with 1423 views | Darran |
| WOur board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:34 - Jan 24 by exiledclaseboy |
You going to Goodison, Rich? Right on your doorstep more or less. [Post edited 24 Jan 2016 10:34]
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Is he f^ck.
Supporter my arse he's not a supporter never f*cking has been. |  |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:39 - Jan 24 with 1414 views | jack247 |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:32 - Jan 24 by Phil_S |
And as was asked where would have played him and at the expense of who?
Naismith most certainly wasn't the answer at the price that Norwich have paid |
I didn't say he was the answer. I was responding to your post about sacrificing Ayew to get him and Danny Graham. We wouldn't have needed to do that if we wanted him, he wanted to come here and we were prepared to commit the bulk of the Shelvey money.
Having said that, he is no less of a striker than Ayew, would do a lot of Gylfis running for him, create spaces for those two to attack and free up Ayew to play on the wing or midfield. We may well be better off going for a natural centre forward, but he would certainly improve our current team. | | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:39 - Jan 24 with 1413 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:37 - Jan 24 by Phil_S |
Yes I do, it is £4m. |
Thanks. Small fry in the context of the Premier League billions I suppose but indicative of when the club stopped being "by the fans, for the fans". | |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:39 - Jan 24 with 1414 views | jackonicko |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:13 - Jan 24 by perchrockjack |
Shelves was sold for 12 million. Naismith ,apparently at 8 million too expensive.
We made 7mill profit on shelvey .
Is it so wrong to point this out |
Depends whether you think Naismith is the panacea. In my view, he would have been a good addition, but wouldn't have solved all the problems we have with balance of squad.
If JJS at 12m is market value, then think what you might get by spending the 'balance of the Shelvey money'. Most of us were happy to drive JJS to Newcastle ourselves for 12m. His performances in the last two games haven't changed my view.
The bottom 7 of the PL is dreadful this year. We ought to be good enough to stay out of the bottom 3. But we aren't because we are part of that dreadful 7.
The trust is right to say that we shouldn't risk the future on one overpriced player without protections for the club future. That's not the trust saying we don't need to strengthen. We demonstrably do - on the *right* players. |  | | |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:40 - Jan 24 with 1403 views | perchrockjack |
It's 175 Phil.
What you fail to realise is the obvious.
As ive said we owe you big time but please don't insult my intelligence by such trite defensive remarks.
Every fan has a right.
EVERY.
We are being let down . It's tough , but that s it, son. | |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:43 - Jan 24 with 1388 views | Phil_S |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:39 - Jan 24 by jack247 |
I didn't say he was the answer. I was responding to your post about sacrificing Ayew to get him and Danny Graham. We wouldn't have needed to do that if we wanted him, he wanted to come here and we were prepared to commit the bulk of the Shelvey money.
Having said that, he is no less of a striker than Ayew, would do a lot of Gylfis running for him, create spaces for those two to attack and free up Ayew to play on the wing or midfield. We may well be better off going for a natural centre forward, but he would certainly improve our current team. |
No in fairness but I was also very tongue in cheek in my comment on Naismith as personally I wouldn't have wanted him here on loan any more than I would have wanted to pay for him. Didn't improve what we had in a position where we needed a striker more than what he is.
What we need is a striker like Wilf only cheaper and guaranteed to score goals. It really is that easy...
If only we weren't sat around smoking cigars all day | | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:44 - Jan 24 with 1383 views | jack247 |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:39 - Jan 24 by jackonicko |
Depends whether you think Naismith is the panacea. In my view, he would have been a good addition, but wouldn't have solved all the problems we have with balance of squad.
If JJS at 12m is market value, then think what you might get by spending the 'balance of the Shelvey money'. Most of us were happy to drive JJS to Newcastle ourselves for 12m. His performances in the last two games haven't changed my view.
The bottom 7 of the PL is dreadful this year. We ought to be good enough to stay out of the bottom 3. But we aren't because we are part of that dreadful 7.
The trust is right to say that we shouldn't risk the future on one overpriced player without protections for the club future. That's not the trust saying we don't need to strengthen. We demonstrably do - on the *right* players. |
Good post and as long as we do sign the right players I'll be happy. What wouldn't be acceptable is not signing anyone and using the excuse that the right players didn't come up. | | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:44 - Jan 24 with 1381 views | Borojack |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:34 - Jan 24 by Phil_S |
Relegation clauses will certainly help and of course there will be a reasonable amount of departures should the relegation happen
Doesn't change that some of the players that came out of the Championship with us are now possibly earning 5-6 times as much as they were then so even with the clause the wage bill for those will be higher if they stay
However, as has been seen at more than one club this season, player power is all conquering at clubs (and the Trust article backs that) and we have to work to retain the community feel of our club which has been lost since promotion ( the demise of the Trust bowling night is testament to that) |
But my point is stay up or go down we need address the financial losses or it will spiral out of control.
Would like to think that the board will be a bit cuter in the transfer market and not just pay over the top transfers signing on fees wages just because the TV revenue is going up. |  |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:46 - Jan 24 with 1376 views | Phil_S |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:39 - Jan 24 by exiledclaseboy |
Thanks. Small fry in the context of the Premier League billions I suppose but indicative of when the club stopped being "by the fans, for the fans". |
I dont disagree with that, although the Trust have been happy to take the dividends once agreed, I wasn't keen on last years which I didn't think was right but that was a personal view rather than one taken by the Trust board as a collective
Even if the club showed a profit this season and a dividend was decided upon it doesn't feel like the right thing to do given the financial balance we are trying to achieve | | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:48 - Jan 24 with 1367 views | Phil_S |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:44 - Jan 24 by Borojack |
But my point is stay up or go down we need address the financial losses or it will spiral out of control.
Would like to think that the board will be a bit cuter in the transfer market and not just pay over the top transfers signing on fees wages just because the TV revenue is going up. |
This is the very fine balance and worse so on staying up. Everyone says that the big thing this time around is staying up because of the financial rewards but all that will happen is players will demand more money and then players already in situ will demand more for parity with those who have just come in.
Where our model has gone wrong in the last 18 months is just not getting the value for money from the players we have recruited and too often getting in people who are not good enough so an improvement on recruitment is essential to ensure we get the best value for every £ spent | | | |
| WOur board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:49 - Jan 24 with 1363 views | exiledclaseboy |
| WOur board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:38 - Jan 24 by Darran |
Is he f^ck.
Supporter my arse he's not a supporter never f*cking has been. |
Surprised he's not going to a game being played no more than a stone's throw away. | |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:49 - Jan 24 with 1363 views | jack247 |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:43 - Jan 24 by Phil_S |
No in fairness but I was also very tongue in cheek in my comment on Naismith as personally I wouldn't have wanted him here on loan any more than I would have wanted to pay for him. Didn't improve what we had in a position where we needed a striker more than what he is.
What we need is a striker like Wilf only cheaper and guaranteed to score goals. It really is that easy...
If only we weren't sat around smoking cigars all day |
The Wilf comment is tongue in cheek, but that is the mould of player we should be looking at. I've said for a while I would rather us sign an inferior version of Bony than a superior version of Gomis.
I think Naismith would improve our team by playing up front, Ayew isn't a striker either, however I would also prefer a genuine frontman.
I haven't suggested we are smoking cigars all day, as far as I know, no one else has either. Doesn't matter to me how hard the board work, it's the results they produce. | | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:50 - Jan 24 with 1354 views | Phil_S |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:44 - Jan 24 by jack247 |
Good post and as long as we do sign the right players I'll be happy. What wouldn't be acceptable is not signing anyone and using the excuse that the right players didn't come up. |
But nobody is saying that just highlighting that it is not as easy as many have claimed that it should be
For a transfer to happen right now everything needs to be right for the club which will include fee, clauses, wages and of course the ability of the player | | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:51 - Jan 24 with 1345 views | Borojack |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:10 - Jan 24 by jack247 |
Sunderland, Bournemouth and Norwich have all signed players who would give us better options up front. I don't think any of them cost £12m. I don't know about the wages or any relegation clauses. |
Sunderland Bournemouth and Norwich all have big backers we dont.
The Shelvey sale has reduced our overall debt.
Doesnt mean we have to spend it all I am still hopeful the club will land a striker who can contribute even if its just a loan signing. | |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:52 - Jan 24 with 1342 views | Phil_S |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:40 - Jan 24 by perchrockjack |
It's 175 Phil.
What you fail to realise is the obvious.
As ive said we owe you big time but please don't insult my intelligence by such trite defensive remarks.
Every fan has a right.
EVERY.
We are being let down . It's tough , but that s it, son. |
What is the obvious that I fail to realise Richard?
Oh and the club owe me the square root of f*** all, why would they owe me anything? | | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:54 - Jan 24 with 1323 views | awayjack |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:46 - Jan 24 by Phil_S |
I dont disagree with that, although the Trust have been happy to take the dividends once agreed, I wasn't keen on last years which I didn't think was right but that was a personal view rather than one taken by the Trust board as a collective
Even if the club showed a profit this season and a dividend was decided upon it doesn't feel like the right thing to do given the financial balance we are trying to achieve |
Good statement. It must be tough to agree with most Directors also being individual shareholders. |  | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 11:02 - Jan 24 with 1296 views | jack247 |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:50 - Jan 24 by Phil_S |
But nobody is saying that just highlighting that it is not as easy as many have claimed that it should be
For a transfer to happen right now everything needs to be right for the club which will include fee, clauses, wages and of course the ability of the player |
I know no one is saying that, it just seems a reasonably likely outcome given how long it took us to get a manager in place and our recent history of selling and not replacing in January. | | | |
| WOur board of directors - tight fisted morons on 11:03 - Jan 24 with 1295 views | Darran |
| WOur board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:49 - Jan 24 by exiledclaseboy |
Surprised he's not going to a game being played no more than a stone's throw away. |
I'm not seeing as he's not a supporter a supporter supports.
Seriously though Phil should ban him for the sake of his mental health which is clearly suffering. | |
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| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 11:03 - Jan 24 with 1294 views | DafyddHuw |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 18:51 - Jan 23 by Phil_S |
Does your tablet not have a return key?
If we go down it will be a collective effort of blame. Same as it is collective effort when we do well
Or was our success all down to the board and not the management or players?
Note that was done without the abuse too |
You know the phrase "Leave it - he's not worth it"?
Think it applies perfectly in this case. |  | | |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 11:04 - Jan 24 with 1287 views | dobjack2 |
| Our board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:48 - Jan 24 by Phil_S |
This is the very fine balance and worse so on staying up. Everyone says that the big thing this time around is staying up because of the financial rewards but all that will happen is players will demand more money and then players already in situ will demand more for parity with those who have just come in.
Where our model has gone wrong in the last 18 months is just not getting the value for money from the players we have recruited and too often getting in people who are not good enough so an improvement on recruitment is essential to ensure we get the best value for every £ spent |
I think that you have set out the consequences of our poor recruitment quite well:
We have spent a lot of money, there is far more to transfer these days than the fee when you take into account wages signing on fees etc, and a lot of our recruitment has not improved the first team and the players who should be challenging for their places as much as it should.
No matter what happens I would hope that this area and our commercial activity are reviewed at board levels with a view to making improvements | | | |
| WOur board of directors - tight fisted morons on 11:04 - Jan 24 with 1283 views | Jackanapes |
| WOur board of directors - tight fisted morons on 10:49 - Jan 24 by exiledclaseboy |
Surprised he's not going to a game being played no more than a stone's throw away. |
Im not. |  |
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