| As we re writing history 14:51 - Sep 17 with 6300 views | perchrockjack |
Most of us remember the Russians ,after the war, locking out eastern Europe effectively emasculating millions of people.
Most of us remember the invasions of Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and how protests were brutally put down in east GERMANY ..
The Russians said...
The invasions of Hungary 1956 was according to the Russians to prevent and protect people of Hungary.
the one in Prague in 68 was to stop anarchy breaking out.
EAST berlin wall was built to protect the people from the evil of capitalism.
The Karelia invasion simply protecting Russia s borders and liberating its peoples.
Strange
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| As we re writing history on 16:08 - Sep 17 with 5375 views | Catullus |
It's not strange, it's evil. But the Ukraine situation is a direct response to EU empire building.
They said the EU would help prevent another war in Europe, right now it looks more likely to cause one, in my opinion. | |
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| As we re writing history on 16:29 - Sep 17 with 5357 views | controversial_jack |
| As we re writing history on 16:08 - Sep 17 by Catullus |
It's not strange, it's evil. But the Ukraine situation is a direct response to EU empire building.
They said the EU would help prevent another war in Europe, right now it looks more likely to cause one, in my opinion. |
Russia doesn't want any more missiles bases on it's doorstep. Putin is right he can see the threat to his country from more Nato bases | | | |
| As we re writing history on 16:53 - Sep 17 with 5339 views | Lord_Bony |
NATO has just started military exercises in Ukraine...the Russians won't stand for it and rightly so.
The balance of peace is being upset at the moment.
How would we like it if France suddenly voted for closer ties to Russia and invited their armed forces there to build missile bases,airfields and carry out military manouveseres?
Ffs start thinking.... [Post edited 17 Sep 2014 16:56]
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| As we re writing history on 17:25 - Sep 17 with 5313 views | Ebo |
The whole Malaysian airlines situation looks well dodgy too. Russia would have no reason whatsoever to shoot it down, it's been reported that it was possibly a false flag carried out by Ukraine to sway support and cause Russia to be made out to be the really bad guys.
Kind of makes sense when you think about it. Putin's presidential jet was on the same flight path not too long before this event on the same day too. |  |
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| As we re writing history on 19:37 - Sep 17 with 5272 views | Catullus |
| As we re writing history on 17:25 - Sep 17 by Ebo |
The whole Malaysian airlines situation looks well dodgy too. Russia would have no reason whatsoever to shoot it down, it's been reported that it was possibly a false flag carried out by Ukraine to sway support and cause Russia to be made out to be the really bad guys.
Kind of makes sense when you think about it. Putin's presidential jet was on the same flight path not too long before this event on the same day too. |
It wasn't Russia, it was the separatists. And since when has logic prevailed in these circumstances?
Putin is an egotist, a bully, a macho man. He lied about Russian troops being in Ukraine, and supplying them with weapons too.
Through truthfully, nothing would surprise me.
Believe no one, but the truth is out there! | |
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| As we re writing history on 20:52 - Sep 17 with 5237 views | jaf69 |
| As we re writing history on 19:37 - Sep 17 by Catullus |
It wasn't Russia, it was the separatists. And since when has logic prevailed in these circumstances?
Putin is an egotist, a bully, a macho man. He lied about Russian troops being in Ukraine, and supplying them with weapons too.
Through truthfully, nothing would surprise me.
Believe no one, but the truth is out there! |
how is putin any more an egotist and a bully then any other world leader? to get to be a leader you have to have those qualities.
you say Russians are in Ukraine but they are a volunteers, chances are there are Russian special forces helping with covert ops but we do that all the time unofficially so why condemn Russia for it. also its a well known fact that there are American NGOs (academi aka blackwater) helping the Ukrainians and America is also providing them with weapons. finally how do you know the anti kiev forces are responsible for downing the plane? only news we have so far regarding the incident is the plane was hit be multiple objects, as to whom was responsible is still to be determined.
as you said believe no one, but the truth is out there! | | | |
| As we re writing history on 20:54 - Sep 17 with 5233 views | dickythorpe |
Big day In Scotland tomorrow. Hope all turnout to vote. |  | | |
| As we re writing history on 20:59 - Sep 17 with 5222 views | Lord_Bony |
| As we re writing history on 20:54 - Sep 17 by dickythorpe |
Big day In Scotland tomorrow. Hope all turnout to vote. |
If its yes then the security of the UK is in serious jeopardy.
The SNP has said it won't spend on defence,it will leave it to the rest of us to protect Scotland and it s oil fields. | |
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| As we re writing history on 23:21 - Sep 17 with 5180 views | perchrockjack |
It enough to make you weep.
Putin has support right here..
Have a word with anyone who lived in the old eastern bloc.
They tried to get out and were shot forvtheirvefgorts..
Nobody. Tried to break into ussr.
Simply amazing stuff beyond belief.
Putin some kinda hero against eu oppression. And there s me thinking a democratically elected government and it's people were being basically invaded.
Ukraine has feck all to do with Russia.. | |
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| As we re writing history on 00:23 - Sep 18 with 5160 views | Ebo |
| As we re writing history on 23:21 - Sep 17 by perchrockjack |
It enough to make you weep.
Putin has support right here..
Have a word with anyone who lived in the old eastern bloc.
They tried to get out and were shot forvtheirvefgorts..
Nobody. Tried to break into ussr.
Simply amazing stuff beyond belief.
Putin some kinda hero against eu oppression. And there s me thinking a democratically elected government and it's people were being basically invaded.
Ukraine has feck all to do with Russia.. |
Putin is a homophobic cretin but he was right when he warned about the west being all cosy with the Syrian rebels. In fact he was spot on when he predicted the outcome. Ditto pulling out of Iraq. | |
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| As we re writing history on 01:34 - Sep 18 with 5143 views | JackoBoostardo |
What the feck is happening here!! A Russia love-in!! Some beauts here aye!
Ukraine is an independent country that Russia is screwing over.... Putin's way of recovering the old USSR against the will of the majority of the Ukraine people. |  |
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| As we re writing history on 07:38 - Sep 18 with 5112 views | Lord_Bony |
| As we re writing history on 01:34 - Sep 18 by JackoBoostardo |
What the feck is happening here!! A Russia love-in!! Some beauts here aye!
Ukraine is an independent country that Russia is screwing over.... Putin's way of recovering the old USSR against the will of the majority of the Ukraine people. |
Lol. Not as simple as that mate.
The Ukraine is populated by a big pro Russian society,it s been that way for hundreds of years .
The elected pro Russian government was overthrown this year and a right wing extreme government was hastily put in place inviting in the eu and NATO to come and build there.they have also turned on their own people with death squads etc.
The problem is it's right on Russia's doorstep.Putin took over Crimea because the people there voted to be part of Russia which is three miles away.
I ve no time for most of the world leaders Putin included but we should be concerned that the balance of peace in Europe is being disturbed and that could affect us all... | |
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| As we re writing history on 08:38 - Sep 18 with 5079 views | JackFish |
I would hardly call the vote in Crimea a fair and free election. |  | | |
| As we re writing history on 08:40 - Sep 18 with 5077 views | jaf69 |
| As we re writing history on 08:38 - Sep 18 by JackFish |
I would hardly call the vote in Crimea a fair and free election. |
and you know that how? were you there? | | | |
| As we re writing history on 08:43 - Sep 18 with 5075 views | jaf69 |
| As we re writing history on 01:34 - Sep 18 by JackoBoostardo |
What the feck is happening here!! A Russia love-in!! Some beauts here aye!
Ukraine is an independent country that Russia is screwing over.... Putin's way of recovering the old USSR against the will of the majority of the Ukraine people. |
yeah youre right there are some beauts here!
Russia screwing Ukraine youre having a laugh. putin recovering the ussr again you don't know what youre talking about. | | | |
| As we re writing history on 09:08 - Sep 18 with 5059 views | perchrockjack |
BEAUTS indeed.
Putin then is not an aggressor, not seeking to take back land from anyone.
Seems Ive heard that one before.
ALSO nobody was able to explain Russia s intervention in previus eastern bloc countries.
have a word with anyone from old east Berlin as to how the Russians act.
Just incredible stuff on here | |
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| As we re writing history on 09:25 - Sep 18 with 5052 views | Morfa_Same |
It's beyond belief that anyone here can try to defend Russia's actions in Ukraine. Invading a smaller country and helping yourself to large parts of their territory is a practice that belongs in the 15th century.
Russia is a dangerous aggressor that has always preferred to confront the world rather than cooperate with it. They need to look no further that their own foreign policies for the reason that Nato is on their doorstep. |  | | |
| As we re writing history on 09:44 - Sep 18 with 5039 views | perchrockjack |
Just as I was beginning to doubt my sanity (not really) thanks Morfa.
I know many,like me enjoy a fishing trip sick bastards that we are, but some posters it seems really believe this.
I really do believe decent people with good hearts and minds can let their political affiliation cloud their judgement.
As I say, of there had been anything in this, can you imagine the fall out in the States.
People hammer a free country ,one where millions of emigres landed with nothing and then go on to a successful life.
On the contrary, Russia has a brutal blood thirsty past from the Czars attitude to the people and then the revolution ,the second world war and how they raped all the way to Berlin, locked away thousands in Gulags just for writing a book or for non socialist beliefs, one that locked away behind a wall, a whole city, one who sent tanks in TANKS in to deal with students and one that is now trying to take back its former land. Ukraine is a democratic sovereign country .Its exactly the same as FRANCE invading Jersey because they can speak French. | |
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| As we re writing history on 09:46 - Sep 18 with 5038 views | pansypants |
Jersey Royals are out of season. |  |
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| As we re writing history on 09:53 - Sep 18 with 5030 views | perchrockjack |
Touch of levity much need pansy.
Nice too | |
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| As we re writing history on 10:19 - Sep 18 with 5019 views | Lord_Bony |
| As we re writing history on 09:08 - Sep 18 by perchrockjack |
BEAUTS indeed.
Putin then is not an aggressor, not seeking to take back land from anyone.
Seems Ive heard that one before.
ALSO nobody was able to explain Russia s intervention in previus eastern bloc countries.
have a word with anyone from old east Berlin as to how the Russians act.
Just incredible stuff on here |
Russia's intervention into other European countries was a direct result of pushing back the Nazis then not giving those countries back.our concern at the time was they would keep on pushing and take over Europe.hence the Yalta summit in the Crimea where Churchill,Roosevelt and Stalin agreed on the map of post war Europe...I'm surprised a man of your intelligence does nt know this.
No one on here is condoning the acts of Russia and the eastern block in Soviet times FFs.
If the new government of ukraine was fairly elected by the people not put in after a coup then it would be much more easier to sympathise with them but that is not the case.
They are an illegal government who want to change hundreds of years of history in a few months.
The vast majority of the people of east ukraine want to be Russian.
It s not a simple argument like your trying to put forward,Putin is the bad guy trying to take back the old Soviet Union.russia is now SERIOUSLY THREATENED militarily if NATO starts building there.
Wether they will accept it or not we don t know but a dangerous game is unfolding ,people should at least try and research some basic background information before commenting. [Post edited 18 Sep 2014 10:20]
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| As we re writing history on 17:47 - Sep 18 with 4950 views | perchrockjack |
SO THE r | |
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| As we re writing history on 17:48 - Sep 18 with 4949 views | perchrockjack |
SO ...back to the op, did Russia roll in the tanks, if so why? | |
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| As we re writing history on 18:44 - Sep 18 with 4933 views | Lord_Bony |
Oh ffs...yes
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| As we re writing history on 19:28 - Sep 18 with 4914 views | jaf69 |
| As we re writing history on 18:44 - Sep 18 by Lord_Bony |
Oh ffs...yes
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couldn't agree more.
I love how people on here state things like the truth is out there then have no clue how to look for it themselves, but choose to ridicule those who do choose to look further then the corporate media for answers. | | | |
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