| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) 13:32 - Sep 10 with 7049 views | BasingstokeR |
Anyone seen this story about Everton signing a lad at 15yrs old from Northampton yesterday?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29128911
"The Cobblers will receive an initial £65,500 and could earn up to a maximum of £1.3m in the future, depending on how many first-team games he plays."
"We always want to keep our best players, but under the EPPP if a player is wanted by a Premier League club then it is just about impossible for us to resist, given the processes set out as part of the EPPP."
I know its been mentioned before at the time the Premier League forced the EPPP through, but this still just seems wrong. We'd have got next to nothering for someone like Dean Parrett and not anywhere near the mooted deal for Raheem Sterling even though he's made first team appearances for Liverpool. |  | | |  |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 15:44 - Sep 10 with 6951 views | Northernr |
Yeh the EPPP will exacerbate an already bad situation where the biggest clubs are allowed to hoard any young talent they like, often with no plan of ever using it in the first team, more just to make sure their rivals don't accidentally find the next Bale rather than because they're trying to find him themselves. Spurs and Chelsea already do this and just loan a couple of dozen players out every year, no intention whatsoever of ever actually picking it in their own first teams.
It's going to absolutely shaft clubs like Brentford who have built wonderful academy systems but now have no choice but to let their youngsters walk away if a Premier League club comes knocking. Eventually most clubs below the Prem will just see youth set ups as an expensive waste of time. What's the point? If they ever create a player good enough for their first team he'll be picked off when he's 15 or 16.
And it's going to mean fewer English boys playing first team football, which is just great for the England national team. The solution to that, rather than fcking the stupid rule right off, is apparently to let them have B Teams playing Bury and Morecambe every week.
A sport completely consumed and controlled by absolute cnts.
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| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 15:58 - Sep 10 with 6913 views | BasingstokeR |
Its ridiculous isn't it? The Premier League basically blackmailed the Football League by threatening to remove all youth development funding if they didn't accept the EPPP
How isn't it catering for only the elite? The main principle is to "Increase the number and quality of Home Grown Players gaining professional contracts in the clubs and playing first-team football at the highest level" - strange way to go about it!
The new rules mean that a category-A academy can go to any other training ground to watch a player (giving 48 hours notice) and effectively buy the player for a fixed fee starting from £3,000!
No wonder clubs like Wycombe and Yeovil folded their academies after this was implemented. Depressing  | | | |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 16:16 - Sep 10 with 6883 views | nadera78 |
What they should have done was the exact opposite. Each club should only be allowed to sign 15 players in each age group, and only from U12s upwards. That would stop all of the hoarding at junior levels, and also the 19/20 year olds being stuck in Academies when they should be playing senior football, even if it's 1st division.
Additionally, the £2.5million it apparently costs each club to run an academy programme each year would be better spent on community facilities - artificial pitches that don't result in postponements and kids playing on mud baths, and decent changing facilities too. Go to Holland and practically every community club has these facilities, meaning the kids get to train and play on decent pitches. |  | | |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 16:45 - Sep 10 with 6845 views | karl |
I wonder if this coincidence of young Scottish players, who have had some first team experience, now being sought after by PL and Champ clubs is linked to this type of situation , kids hidden away at academies rather than getting some exposure to the real world of football? |  | | |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 17:44 - Sep 10 with 6782 views | Northernr |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 16:16 - Sep 10 by nadera78 |
What they should have done was the exact opposite. Each club should only be allowed to sign 15 players in each age group, and only from U12s upwards. That would stop all of the hoarding at junior levels, and also the 19/20 year olds being stuck in Academies when they should be playing senior football, even if it's 1st division.
Additionally, the £2.5million it apparently costs each club to run an academy programme each year would be better spent on community facilities - artificial pitches that don't result in postponements and kids playing on mud baths, and decent changing facilities too. Go to Holland and practically every community club has these facilities, meaning the kids get to train and play on decent pitches. |
There should be a rule that says you're not allowed to buy anybody aged 18 and under from another UK club until he's made 30 first team appearances. 40 appearances for a 19 year old, 60 appearances for a 20 year old and 100 appearances for a 21 year old. Or some variation of that.
It would mean that the clubs cultivating the players get to use them in their teams, and get a proper fee for them, and it would result in more English boys actually playing some football rather than, as we saw with Dean Parrett and John Bostock, get hoovered up nice and early, run out on pristine academy pitches against all the other academy boys for four years, loaned out multiple times, and eventually discarded.
Obviously there are flaws in this. What's to stop a club playing a talented kid 29 times, 39 times etc so he can't move? What about the boys who aren't good enough to play for their current club but can't move because they haven't played the required number of games? There are ways round that though. | | | |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 18:51 - Sep 10 with 6711 views | BasingstokeR |
Thats a much better basis for an plan that the actual one implemented. | | | |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 20:51 - Sep 10 with 6611 views | kensalriser |
If big clubs hoarding players is a problem then the obvious answer is to start limiting the number of players a club can have on its books. Loans should be limited too. |  |
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| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 22:00 - Sep 10 with 6520 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
The loaners are just part of it, over fifty players on the Under-21 players (Contract and Scholars) list.
Then you start looking at the umpteen teams they run at every age group, almost from pre natal.
It's a serious, dangerous and toxic way around FFP.,. Hoover up all the talent, paying the little teams bugger all for those already in their programme. Then draw in big loan fees, and if they are not quite creme della creme, sell them on for a tidy sum giving a decent revenue stream. |  | | |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 22:22 - Sep 10 with 6487 views | Match82 |
Thinking a little differently, should there be a rule about buying players and loaning them out?
In order for English players to develop, they have to be playing.
You should only be buying a player if you think they can help your team.
What about some kind of system where if you buy a player, you are not allowed to loan them out to any team except the one you bought them from, until they have played at least 5-10 first team games (or at minimum, named in the squad). And if they haven't made any appearances by the end of a 1 year period, the team that sold them gets first refusal on buying them back for 80% of the original price. And the "big" club has to make up any difference in wages for the remainder of the contract.
There are many holes in this plan obviously, but it seems like it has some merit. |  | | |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 22:36 - Sep 10 with 6473 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
I think with their programme producing absolutely zip first team regulars, Chelsea are the example.
And unfortunately, with the EPPP , shows why the grandee clubs will never loosen their morally bankrupt grip on ALL the talent that they can grab.
Mind you, surely some kids and their parents must be beginning to see through the complete farce of the current situation. I know it must be difficult for today's Mrs Parrett or Mrs Sterling (or any of so many more contenders) when Chelsea come knocking on the door, but the failures have been increasingly recorded and they must be aware. [Post edited 11 Sep 2014 7:27]
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| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 23:19 - Sep 10 with 6428 views | BasingstokeR |
He had an agent that wasn't a family member as a 15yr old? Maybe they should crack down on agents representing under 18's! | | | |
| Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) on 14:26 - Sep 11 with 6310 views | derbyhoop |
If you can't beat them, join them. We're in the PL, now. Every time our U18s come up against a really good player, put in a bid. |  |
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