| The Welsh Assembly (Government) 21:47 - Aug 6 with 8622 views | keeponrockin |
How do they get away with it?
Genuinely?
Their record is absolutely appalling yet what happens? The same people are voted in and all they ever argue about is MORE powers.
Education/Health are an absolute shambles - they Centralise everything in Cardiff and we tumble in every ranking.
At least with the Scottish Gov there is some level of talent & competence. Yet nothing changes, the next election will no doubt see the same old glorified councillors running huge departments and simply hopping from one role to another.
They miss targets in pretty much every area, what do they do? Try to reform and sort things out? No they either scrap the target completely or change the target.
It's a bloody outrage but we seem to just accept second rate. I don't get this Country at times. |  | | |  |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 23:06 - Aug 7 with 1791 views | skippyjack |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 22:59 - Aug 7 by dft |
Totally agree with some of the posts here. Lets scrap the WAG so we can go back to the days of having clueless fools control our educations system so that inequality may grow and unqualified teachers can teach our children. I want a government totally out of touch with the general public who spend huge sums of money on pally secret advisers. If you believe the WAG thinks Wales ends at Cardiff, I hate to break it to you but Westminster has been doing that for years. |
Oi let me teach the 'thickies'.. they'll get a better education from me..than a highly qualified 'curriculum' follower.. |  |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 07:08 - Aug 8 with 1761 views | exiledinenglandjack |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 20:25 - Aug 7 by Pacemaker |
Totally stereotyping Trampie
Let's assume you joined the police today as a starter you would be paid 19k a year, have to work shifts all year around including Xmas family events etc, the shifts would be 7-7 nights and days continue work until at least 60 and pay a pension contribution of 13.5%.
You would have 22 days a year annual leave rising to 28 days after 20 years but the management decide when you can have those or not if the Olympics, NATO summit and other large events occur.
If you then decide to carry this on for 22 years you would get about 36k a year. Good pay for around here but not much if you live in the SouthEast of England.
Just read it all here
http://www.policeoracle.com/pay_and_conditions/police_pay_scales.html
What the Labour led assembly are doing in this country is a disgrace, public services are being stripped and people are losing their jobs. Meanwhile vanity projects like free bus passes, free parking at hospitals, free swimming pool entrance and now the Billion pound bypass when there was a much cheaper and greener route available is beyond belief. As someone who has always leaned to the left politically it is a disgrace that job cuts are taking place all over Wales and services are being cut by "the workers party of "Wales".
The amount of waste that takes place I that building is a disgrace when local authorities are having to sack good hard working people. |
The 'greener' option you talk about would cost 2/3 of the planned project and take longer to complete, whilst not actually solving the issue in hand. People are being very short sited when it comes to this scheme. As mentioned earlier, this project isn't just for Cardiff but Bridgend and Swansea, and further west too.
Companies like amazon, the film sets for program's like da Vinci and potential new companies will be enticed to the region of south west wales with improved transport links, and cheaper land and a larger available labour pool.
It will also attract more tourism to the area, building on what is a very popular area for people to visit too. With more tourists visiting there will be more money being spent in the local economy and prosperity rises.
Yes up front costs are high, but watch when the dividends start to come in. | | | |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 19:28 - Aug 8 with 1715 views | trampie |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 22:32 - Aug 7 by Pacemaker |
Can't see how you came to the conclusion that I failed to highlight starting pay for nurse when I clearly did. I am not familiar with nursing roles but on checking it would appear that the bands are as follows.
Band 5: £21,388 - £27,901
Nurse, midwife (entry level), theatre nurse, business administrative manager, catering manager, clinical coding officer/team leader, finance team manager, health records section manager.
Band 6: £25,783 - £34,530
Midwife, nurse specialist, nurse team leader, theatre nurse specialist, catering manager, clinical coding team manager, finance section manager, health records multi section manager, IM&T (information management and technology) analyst/technical engineer/team leader
Band 7: £30,764 - £40,558
Midwife higher level, midwife team manager, advanced nurse, nurse team manager, biomedical scientist team manager, clinical coding service manager, commissioning manager, estates manager operations/projects, finance department manager, health records department manager, healthcare scientist team manager, hotel services manager, HR team manager, IM&T section manager, improvement and development manager, information analyst advanced team manager, occupational therapist team manager, pharmacy technician team manager, physiological measurement/clinical physiology team manager, medical engineering team manager, medical physics technician section manager, procurement team manager, radiography team manager, theatre practitioner team manager
So I would suggest that they have very similar roles and pay scales except you believe one group are underpaid and one group are ripping the guts out of the public purse. No agenda just pointing out there ain't much in your argument. |
A constable could and no doubt does in many cases earn more than a team leader nurse, a constable and a nurse might be seen on a par and a sergeant and a team leader nurse on a par but a constable can earn not just more than a nurse but more than a team leader nurse as well.
So they do not have similar pay scales for similar roles the police get a lot more money for doing similar roles as you put it. |  |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 16:51 - Aug 9 with 1673 views | johnlangy |
A bit of a late response. Firstly to reddy. When I complain, as do many, about WAG bias toward Cardiff it is genuinely not a go at Cardiff as a place or Cardiff people. The only difference between us is where we were born. And i'm honestly sorry about your son's and your wife's problems. I wish them and you all the best for the future.
My complaints most of the time are about finance and the embarrassing skew toward investment in Cardiff compared with the whole of Wales, not just Swansea. Talking about the health service I will make one point and that is about the decision to centralise neurosurgery at the Heath. If the decision had been based on clinical need (or even simple logic) it should have been centralised in Morriston. But, they made a poltical decision and chose the Heath. And the person at the centre of that decision was Edwina Hart, Labour AM for Gower (which includes Llangyfelach where I live).
Back to finance. I understand what you say about the relief road. I don't often get caught at Brynglas so I pity people who travel there daily at peak times. So, maybe it is the correct thing to spend the first tranche of borrowed money there. But, since the plan to allow the WAG to borrow money was broached the ONLY schemes I have heard talked about are the ones I mentioned - the relief road, electrification of the valleys lines and the shuttle/tram system for Cardiff.
The relief road will cost £1 billion but the WAG will only be able to borrow half that amount so the rest will come out of their budget. As far as i'm aware £500 million is the WHOLE of the annual budget for road improvements in Wales. So, theoretically, every other scheme in Wales would have to be shelved for that one road. None of them have said, if this goes ahead we'll reinstate all the postponed schemes the following year, it's lecky/valleys and shuttle/trams.
Cyril - i've said the same thing before. Everyone, including AM's at the WAG, complains about the huge imbalance between the South East of England and the rest of the UK but they seem quite happy to be doing exactly the same thing on a smaller scale in Wales.
And pacemaker says ' services are being cut by the workers party'. Well, Labour are no longer the party for working people.
As I said in my original post the only party who I believe when they say they would work for the good of the whole of Wales is Plaid Cymru. Like it or not the others have London based parties with London based agendas.
I'm not a particular fan but it's a fact that Plaid is the Party of Wales and the good of Wales is it's only reason for being. | | | |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:04 - Aug 9 with 1663 views | keeponrockin |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 19:17 - Aug 7 by exiledclaseboy |
NHS spending has indeed been cut in Wales, tying in with the cut in the funding Wales receives from Westminster. |
Utter nonsense, they get a Central grant from Gov which was cut - much less than other departments in most cases mind but fundamentally they 'chose' to cut nhs spending they didn't 'have' to in any shape or form. They reversed this decision a few years later when they realised how stupid that decision was. You are as usual making excuses for the socialist mess we have in Wales. | | | |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:05 - Aug 9 with 1657 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:04 - Aug 9 by keeponrockin |
Utter nonsense, they get a Central grant from Gov which was cut - much less than other departments in most cases mind but fundamentally they 'chose' to cut nhs spending they didn't 'have' to in any shape or form. They reversed this decision a few years later when they realised how stupid that decision was. You are as usual making excuses for the socialist mess we have in Wales. |
No, I'm not. It's a fact that Wales's funding from Westminster has been cut along with (as you say) the rest of the government departments (which is in effect what the Assembly is). You are quite correct though, that the Welsh Government chooses how to spend that money. |  |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:09 - Aug 9 with 1651 views | keeponrockin |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 22:59 - Aug 7 by dft |
Totally agree with some of the posts here. Lets scrap the WAG so we can go back to the days of having clueless fools control our educations system so that inequality may grow and unqualified teachers can teach our children. I want a government totally out of touch with the general public who spend huge sums of money on pally secret advisers. If you believe the WAG thinks Wales ends at Cardiff, I hate to break it to you but Westminster has been doing that for years. |
Again utter nonsense.
In England they have pluralistic system with Academies, free schools, grammar schools etc etc. This has helped to drive up standards across the board.
We on the other hand have a two tiered system:
- comps & private schools
Sh1t schools for the majority and the best for the rich. How very "progressive" | | | |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:20 - Aug 9 with 1642 views | keeponrockin |
The WAG all propaganda aside actually did very well out of the public sector restraint, in recent budgets they've actually received more money.
The bottom line is the calibre of politician and civil servant is absolutely appalling.
The people who run departments in Wales would struggle to be tea boy in a department of State in Westminster. The vast majority would be back benchers.
The WAG is basically a job creation vehicle it serves no purpose. The only thing they're good at is telling us how to live our lives like the good nannying socialists they are. | | | |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:23 - Aug 9 with 1636 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:20 - Aug 9 by keeponrockin |
The WAG all propaganda aside actually did very well out of the public sector restraint, in recent budgets they've actually received more money.
The bottom line is the calibre of politician and civil servant is absolutely appalling.
The people who run departments in Wales would struggle to be tea boy in a department of State in Westminster. The vast majority would be back benchers.
The WAG is basically a job creation vehicle it serves no purpose. The only thing they're good at is telling us how to live our lives like the good nannying socialists they are. |
That's a bit harsh on the old civil servants there, me old sparring partner. The Welsh Government has one permanent secretary. Every Westminster government department has one each. And the Welsh Government perm sec is employed by and answerable to the UK civil service, which is controlled, operated and recruited in Westminster. | |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:49 - Aug 9 with 1622 views | Kilkennyjack |
Not sure High Speed 2 Trains was such a well run success mind, and the Prison Service paid out £720,000 on professional actors ffs.... |  |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 20:58 - Aug 9 with 1589 views | trampie |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:04 - Aug 9 by keeponrockin |
Utter nonsense, they get a Central grant from Gov which was cut - much less than other departments in most cases mind but fundamentally they 'chose' to cut nhs spending they didn't 'have' to in any shape or form. They reversed this decision a few years later when they realised how stupid that decision was. You are as usual making excuses for the socialist mess we have in Wales. |
We have had a succession of right wing governments in Westminster and NuLabour has dominated Cardiff Bay since the start, Labour has not been socialist since 1983 and Michael Foot, Labour are a right wing party, known in the trade as the red Tories no different to the blue Tories.
Mrs Thatcher won the war by seducing the greedy. [Post edited 9 Aug 2014 20:59]
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 21:14 - Aug 9 with 1574 views | Catullus |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:29 - Aug 7 by johnlangy |
If you consider the people running an organisation to be fools you don't get rid of the organisation, you get rid of the fools. I consider the Westminster government to be a bunch of self serving posh boys. I don't say scrap Westminster, I say get rid of the tories.
These days i've got very little regard for any politician. They are all much the same. When I consider who i'll vote for in the WAG these days I just think who is the least worst. However much they deny it Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are all in thrall to their National party in London. The only party in Wales that is not is Plaid Cymru.
They'll all say they'll do their best for Wales but the others will follow London based policies. If a Plaid person says it I believe them. What else are they going to do ?
Now you may say I wouldn't want Leanne Wood running the Assembly but plenty of you are saying you don't want Carwyn Jones running it either. So what do you want ? You either change your vote or get more of the same.
Many, many posters complain about the WAG being Cardiff centric. After the billions of our money that's been poured into the place over the last 20 or more years, now that they are going to be able to borrow money the first thing is going to be the M4 relief road, THEN it will be the electrification of the valleys rail lines, THEN it will be the shuttle/tram system and so on. All of which borrowed money we'll be paying for while even more wealth flows into Cardiff as a result of those transport improvements. Banosswan says it takes 90 minutes to get from Ystradgynlais to Swansea Uni. Wouldn't it be nice if we had an integrated Transport system. Some bloody chance.
And these projects WILL happen because Labour will get voted in again and again and their power base is mainly South and South East Wales so they will just carry on. Plaid's power base is North and West and scatterings around South West. What would they do ? Would they carry on pouring money into Cardiff or would they ensure investment in Anglesey and Ceredigion and Carmarthen ? Put simply they would have to spread spending around otherwise they would be out on their arses after one term.
Like it or not nothing's going to change until we change it. |
Langy, your first paragraph is contradicted by the second. We can't get rid of the useless buggers when their replacements are just as bad.
Whoever we vote in, they are all just the same.
Why we have to pay for so many levels (EU, Westminster and devolved governments) is my real complaint. Why do we keep on finding/making so many new jobs for so many incompetent idiots?
In the past I have disagreed with some on here about how we are represented. I'm not sure who, but someone said we voted them in so we should just let them get on with it.
I take the opposite view. There should be a way for constituents to get rid of an underperforming MP/AM and all votes should be open and free, there should be no whips, they are undemocratic.
Our elected reps are there to represent our opinions, wants and needs. Not to do what they like or are told by the party leader.
I would scrap the Welsh Assembly in a heartbeat. We have far too many chiefs! | |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 09:24 - Aug 10 with 1519 views | johnlangy |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 21:14 - Aug 9 by Catullus |
Langy, your first paragraph is contradicted by the second. We can't get rid of the useless buggers when their replacements are just as bad.
Whoever we vote in, they are all just the same.
Why we have to pay for so many levels (EU, Westminster and devolved governments) is my real complaint. Why do we keep on finding/making so many new jobs for so many incompetent idiots?
In the past I have disagreed with some on here about how we are represented. I'm not sure who, but someone said we voted them in so we should just let them get on with it.
I take the opposite view. There should be a way for constituents to get rid of an underperforming MP/AM and all votes should be open and free, there should be no whips, they are undemocratic.
Our elected reps are there to represent our opinions, wants and needs. Not to do what they like or are told by the party leader.
I would scrap the Welsh Assembly in a heartbeat. We have far too many chiefs! |
Don't agree with your first para Catullus. I know I said I don't have much regard for any of them but I also said i'd prefer the , what I consider, best of a not very inspiring bunch in charge. And what's the choice ? If we don't have elected politicians in charge the alternative is unelected leaders. A dictator ? Or a King or Queen ?
So, to go back to my central point. If Plaid, Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem politicians were asking me for my vote and they all said i'll do my best for Wales the only one i'd believe would be the Plaid person. Their policies are set by Plaid, the other's policies are set by their London centric parties which, by definition cannot be totally in Wales' best interest.
As I say, they may not be very inspiring but far more likely to do what we want. That is to run Wales for the benefit of ALL of Wales. | | | |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 22:42 - Aug 10 with 1474 views | dft |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 17:09 - Aug 9 by keeponrockin |
Again utter nonsense.
In England they have pluralistic system with Academies, free schools, grammar schools etc etc. This has helped to drive up standards across the board.
We on the other hand have a two tiered system:
- comps & private schools
Sh1t schools for the majority and the best for the rich. How very "progressive" |
Talking of nonsense, apparently academies and free schools are driving up standards. Lets forget about the countless examples of nepotism, expenses scandals and special measures. Privatizing education is an evil ideology that will create more division, inequality and teachers less accountable. Clearly some people on here are for leaving thousands of children behind.
Comprehensives are designed to give everyone a fair chance. Anyone who suggests they are shit schools for the majority is a disgrace and need to do their homework. In my year alone people have left to be doctors, lawyers, vets, engineers, professional rugby players and play for the Swans. I for one am very relieved that Westminster doesn't run Welsh education. | | | |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 22:46 - Aug 10 with 1468 views | perchrockjack |
My ,kids went to both grammar and comp.
One went uni and got masters, the other started own business.
Not much difference as both wanted to learn and get on. That's crucial | |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 23:30 - Aug 10 with 1451 views | jack_lord |
The majority of nurses are band 5 - you can tell by the colour they wear (the ones in blue). There are few prowling around in navy (band 6 and 7) who are the "sister's" or now managers. There are nurse specialists who wear royal blue and tend to be band 6.
There are very few band 8's in comparison and you will rarely meet a 9.
A lot of nurses job share and cover band 6 and 7 positions on their band 5 pay. There are a lot of posts that have been regraded so the nurse who would have looked forward to working in a role on a higher grade is now looking at the same.
Midwives until fairly recently almost all started on a band 6 and are now on a 5. Health Visitors were a band 7 and are now starting on a six and in some places even a 5. The nurses do not claim overtime but can get time owing when it is convenient.
Yet there is still a great deal of incompetence in the NHS but how do you weed it out when the higher grades may be looking out for each other.
I bet they wish they could earn what a consultant does though. |  |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 23:46 - Aug 10 with 1441 views | skippyjack |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 22:46 - Aug 10 by perchrockjack |
My ,kids went to both grammar and comp.
One went uni and got masters, the other started own business.
Not much difference as both wanted to learn and get on. That's crucial |
Good on them Perch.. count themselves lucky.. (it wasn't lucky.. it was hard work bla bla).. | |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 08:13 - Aug 11 with 1409 views | waynekerr55 |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 22:46 - Aug 10 by perchrockjack |
My ,kids went to both grammar and comp.
One went uni and got masters, the other started own business.
Not much difference as both wanted to learn and get on. That's crucial |
Spot on. Teachers, no matter how skilled can only do so much. Internal drive and support from parents is crucial. Has anyone read outliers by Gladwell? It makes interesting reading about how the summer holidays can impact on school performance |  |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 10:49 - Aug 11 with 1386 views | perchrockjack |
and yet those totally unable to financially support a child/family get impregnated for the rest of us to keep -for life.
Doesn't seem fair really. | |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 20:36 - Aug 11 with 1344 views | jack_lord |
| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 10:49 - Aug 11 by perchrockjack |
and yet those totally unable to financially support a child/family get impregnated for the rest of us to keep -for life.
Doesn't seem fair really. |
I have a relative who is one of those Rich. Lives in a nice flat with all the mod cons, brand new flat screen TV, satellite etc. Us mugs work a load of hours while she posts all day long on how lovely the weather is and how bored she is. They were complaining recently that there accommodation was a little small and how they were looking for a house and OMG two months later she is pregnant again.
23 in a few months and still hasn't mentioned the thought of working for a living. | |
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| The Welsh Assembly (Government) on 21:28 - Aug 11 with 1332 views | Tokijo |
Yet if you can remember the referendum back in 1997, it was all heading for a "NO" until Swansea voted that there should be a Welsh Assembly by 53% to 47%! LOL. [Post edited 11 Aug 2014 21:36]
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