| Just got back 17:25 - Dec 1 with 4833 views | ChaffRAFC |
First half was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a Dale side. Absolutely woeful, every single player bar Lillis possibly.
Second half was much better because we finally had some energy and mobility up front in Donnelly who changed the game but too much damage had been done in the first half to complete a comeback.
Strongly disagree with those that booed the substitution of Kennedy. Coleman went attacking and took a midfielder off to bring Grimes on and because it wasn't automatically Cavanagh who went off, dummy's were spat. I wouldn't have taken JK off but to boo it wasn't on in my view. Personally. I thought Tutte was our worst midfielder today.
Very poor overall, didn't understand why we reverted back to the 4-1-2-2-1 formation from 4-4-2 which worked in our last home game and we paid for that I think.
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| Just got back on 19:00 - Dec 1 with 1349 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
| Just got back on 18:46 - Dec 1 by pioneer |
The only three games we have won at home this season (out of 10, or 12 if you include the serious cups) have come from teams in the bottom 7 of the league. Anything outside the very poorest teams play with us in the worst sense of the word
Wonder what the crowd will be next week? Maybe he should fill the stand with his scouser mates like he fills the team with them.
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Next week crowd of 1587.
Our pink booted left full back will play smash the ball as far as I can, rather than option b, which is smash the opposition as often as I can.
We will lose because Exeter will use the 25 yards near each touch line and play around us, having two players out wide waiting to receive the ball.
JC (Not the messiah) will drop JK (who we cheer like he's the messiah) and if we are 20 - 0 down at half time still wont change the system as the only winger we can sign has to be the nephew of our assistant manager. |  |
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| Just got back on 19:02 - Dec 1 with 1340 views | 442Dale |
| Just got back on 19:00 - Dec 1 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
Next week crowd of 1587.
Our pink booted left full back will play smash the ball as far as I can, rather than option b, which is smash the opposition as often as I can.
We will lose because Exeter will use the 25 yards near each touch line and play around us, having two players out wide waiting to receive the ball.
JC (Not the messiah) will drop JK (who we cheer like he's the messiah) and if we are 20 - 0 down at half time still wont change the system as the only winger we can sign has to be the nephew of our assistant manager. |
But he did the change the system and it worked. His mistake was changing it back again.
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| Just got back on 19:02 - Dec 1 with 1337 views | SalwaDale |
We're also a bit of a horrible, dirty, diving, whinging, cheating side. Think that is why people seem to turn against some of the team so quickly.
Full of effort and team spirit though. Incidentally, how did Grant win man of the match? |  |
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| Just got back on 19:05 - Dec 1 with 1320 views | olympicdale |
| Just got back on 19:02 - Dec 1 by SalwaDale |
We're also a bit of a horrible, dirty, diving, whinging, cheating side. Think that is why people seem to turn against some of the team so quickly.
Full of effort and team spirit though. Incidentally, how did Grant win man of the match? |
Surely it had to be Bennett, sometimes you wonder what game the sponsors are watching. |  |
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| Just got back on 19:07 - Dec 1 with 1309 views | 49thseason |
| Just got back on 19:00 - Dec 1 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
Next week crowd of 1587.
Our pink booted left full back will play smash the ball as far as I can, rather than option b, which is smash the opposition as often as I can.
We will lose because Exeter will use the 25 yards near each touch line and play around us, having two players out wide waiting to receive the ball.
JC (Not the messiah) will drop JK (who we cheer like he's the messiah) and if we are 20 - 0 down at half time still wont change the system as the only winger we can sign has to be the nephew of our assistant manager. |
"We will lose because Exeter will use the 25 yards near each touch line and play around us, having two players out wide waiting to receive the ball. "
Meanwhile we will continue playing 4-1-2-1-2 with no width and no quality on the overlap if our fullbacks were even to attempt to run down the line. The pink booted one was so scared of getting forward after his bollocking last week he was content to sling the ball towards the penalty area from 10 yards into their half.
No width, no winger, no chance. |  | | |
| Just got back on 19:09 - Dec 1 with 1297 views | SalwaDale |
| Just got back on 19:05 - Dec 1 by olympicdale |
Surely it had to be Bennett, sometimes you wonder what game the sponsors are watching. |
Personally I though Bennett was poor until his goal but then superb after. | |
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| Just got back on 19:13 - Dec 1 with 1278 views | R17ALE |
| Just got back on 19:02 - Dec 1 by SalwaDale |
We're also a bit of a horrible, dirty, diving, whinging, cheating side. Think that is why people seem to turn against some of the team so quickly.
Full of effort and team spirit though. Incidentally, how did Grant win man of the match? |
I couldn't go today, and reading this board makes me glad I didn't. I've obviously missed a wonder goal, but do I want to put myself through 90 minutes of rubbish to sample that one moment, which counted for nothing anyway.
I'm struggling to identify with some of these players. The play acting by some is worthy of the Croatian League 2, the formations employed are plain daft, the tactics are very one dimensional, and frustratingly we could have the makings of a promotion side on our books, but the manager is holding back that dream by appearing to persist with his mates, and/or the Scouse mafia.
Even though I wasn't there today, I've not felt like this since the Barrow era where you can swap Cavanagh and Edwards for Bailey and Farrell. Or Gouck, or Lydiate, or Stoker....feel free to add away! |  |
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| Just got back on 19:13 - Dec 1 with 1275 views | olympicdale |
| Just got back on 19:09 - Dec 1 by SalwaDale |
Personally I though Bennett was poor until his goal but then superb after. |
I think the MOTM had to be decided on the 2nd half, an I thought from around 60mins onwards he was clearly the best, won most of his challenges in the air, seems a very composed defender, closet centre forward maybe? | |
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| Just got back on 19:13 - Dec 1 with 1267 views | Toffeemanc |
| Just got back on 19:02 - Dec 1 by SalwaDale |
We're also a bit of a horrible, dirty, diving, whinging, cheating side. Think that is why people seem to turn against some of the team so quickly.
Full of effort and team spirit though. Incidentally, how did Grant win man of the match? |
Your first paragraph sums it up perfectly for me.
Under Coleman we have become a team of diving, whining cheats, playing ugly football that is not entertaining to watch. Exactly the type of team we all like to complain about and nobody likes. We also have no tactical knowledge in the dug out to be able to change a game and a management team with a stubborn streak a mile wide.
All of this makes watching Dale at home as bad as it was under Steve Eyre !
I can only hope Coleman suffers the same fate as Eyre soon as if he is still here next season I definitely won't be.
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| Just got back on 19:14 - Dec 1 with 1266 views | dalenumber2 |
I was surprised when Grant was awarded MOM. Best players today for me were Kennedy and Bennett. Worst were McIntyre and Cavanagh. There were others contending for 'worst' at times though. We are lacking consistency this season - when we have been good we have been very good. But when we haven't shaped up we have been dire. Manager needs to get this sorted. |  | | |
| Just got back on 19:19 - Dec 1 with 1246 views | ColDale |
| Just got back on 19:09 - Dec 1 by SalwaDale |
Personally I though Bennett was poor until his goal but then superb after. |
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| Just got back on 19:30 - Dec 1 with 1194 views | Daley_Lama |
| Just got back on 19:19 - Dec 1 by ColDale |
spot on |
Same thoughts.
Razzle, you missed a serious goal of the season contender.
Reece Tomba picked up the ball in his own half and went on one of those runs that previously has seen him get tackled and the opposition go on to score.
Not today though as the whole York defence turned into Peter Reid impersonators and Reece jinked his way all the way through before cooly slotting it past the keeper.
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| Just got back on 19:43 - Dec 1 with 1141 views | sweetcorn |
| Just got back on 19:05 - Dec 1 by olympicdale |
Surely it had to be Bennett, sometimes you wonder what game the sponsors are watching. |
Bennett was at fault for at least one of the goals, didnt see their third and looked largely uncomfortable, scored a good goal though, i'll give him that. Definatley not man of the match, its tough to pick a man of the match from that lot after the first half, maybe donnelly? he wasnt involved in that woeful first half and gave the little bit of movement our static front line craved.
Gornell needed to have GBH committed to win a foul today. ridiculous was not the word on occasion. |  |
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| Just got back on 19:56 - Dec 1 with 1105 views | olympicdale |
| Just got back on 19:43 - Dec 1 by sweetcorn |
Bennett was at fault for at least one of the goals, didnt see their third and looked largely uncomfortable, scored a good goal though, i'll give him that. Definatley not man of the match, its tough to pick a man of the match from that lot after the first half, maybe donnelly? he wasnt involved in that woeful first half and gave the little bit of movement our static front line craved.
Gornell needed to have GBH committed to win a foul today. ridiculous was not the word on occasion. |
Tbf i couldn't get a great look at the goals from the wmg, but on his second half showing I think he deserved it. Donnelly runs a lot and puts himself about, just needs to be more direct, like against Accy, but I like the shift he puts in. The second goal for them looked like a mis judgement from Lillis, he seemed to think it was heading wide, never made an attempt to go for it, very strange.
I thought Gornell controlled himself very well, could have been so easy to get frustrated and lash out, it was borderline criminal the amount of times he was pulled/dragged/scythed down. | |
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| Just got back on 19:56 - Dec 1 with 1105 views | olympicdale |
| Just got back on 19:43 - Dec 1 by sweetcorn |
Bennett was at fault for at least one of the goals, didnt see their third and looked largely uncomfortable, scored a good goal though, i'll give him that. Definatley not man of the match, its tough to pick a man of the match from that lot after the first half, maybe donnelly? he wasnt involved in that woeful first half and gave the little bit of movement our static front line craved.
Gornell needed to have GBH committed to win a foul today. ridiculous was not the word on occasion. |
Tbf i couldn't get a great look at the goals from the wmg, but on his second half showing I think he deserved it. Donnelly runs a lot and puts himself about, just needs to be more direct, like against Accy, but I like the shift he puts in. The second goal for them looked like a mis judgement from Lillis, he seemed to think it was heading wide, never made an attempt to go for it, very strange.
I thought Gornell controlled himself very well, could have been so easy to get frustrated and lash out, it was borderline criminal the amount of times he was pulled/dragged/scythed down. | |
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| Just got back on 19:59 - Dec 1 with 1089 views | Sandyman |
Over the season we have been far better than under Eyre. After the first half, I felt we had moved backwards from that. This team can play well using wide men, yet Coleman hardly uses them. His favouritism to certain poorly petforming individuals, like R17 said, harks back to the Barrow days of Farrell and Leonard at all costs. A bit of savvy over stubbornness by the manager will serve him well. If not, then hid tenure has to be questioned. |  | | |
| Just got back on 20:02 - Dec 1 with 1081 views | Clivert |
I don't think that Lillis' displays are giving much encourage to rest of the side right now, there were numerous occasions today when he got his decision making wrong.
All in all a terrible day at the office despite Bennett's goal. |  | | |
| Just got back on 20:57 - Dec 1 with 1015 views | RotherhamDale |
Thought that Bennett had is worst game in a Dale shirt (other than his goal).
The first goal was a complete shambles as a few of our players decided they didn't want to thump the ball into the stand (for a change).
The second goal was Bennetts fault. He's been bullied by a tiny striker who's nudged him out of the way, then controlled the ball, turned past Bennett and nudged it into the bottom corner.
The third goal was a decent finish in all fairness but they've wandered through our terrible back four with ease.
Rafferty, Pearson, Bennett, BBM? (Anybody other than HOOF Kevin Mac) as the back four for me but that won't happen because Coleman is a footballing dinosaur who refuses to change the system when it's failing because that'd mean dropping his boyfriends.
Donnelly MOM for me as well. That says it all. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Just got back on 21:10 - Dec 1 with 990 views | ColDale |
I think that Coleman has restricted himself somewhat with his summer signings which allow changes to be made. One of his most common changes over the season is to bring R-Putz off the bench, and that has never involved a like for like switch, so its not a stubbornness with regards to tactical changes. With the exception of Putterill, everything else is pretty much going to be a like for like change unless he starts playing people out of position.
His biggest task over the Summer was getting the dressing room right, and I think he's pretty much succeeded in that respect. We've got a squad without the issues of last season which had to be a starting point. Unfortunately, today was Eyre-esque in terms of giving ourselves a mountain to climb and it proved to be too much. A draw would have been undeserved given the 90 minutes and harsh on a York side who were outstanding in the first half. | | | |
| Just got back on 21:32 - Dec 1 with 943 views | 49thseason |
| Just got back on 21:10 - Dec 1 by ColDale |
I think that Coleman has restricted himself somewhat with his summer signings which allow changes to be made. One of his most common changes over the season is to bring R-Putz off the bench, and that has never involved a like for like switch, so its not a stubbornness with regards to tactical changes. With the exception of Putterill, everything else is pretty much going to be a like for like change unless he starts playing people out of position.
His biggest task over the Summer was getting the dressing room right, and I think he's pretty much succeeded in that respect. We've got a squad without the issues of last season which had to be a starting point. Unfortunately, today was Eyre-esque in terms of giving ourselves a mountain to climb and it proved to be too much. A draw would have been undeserved given the 90 minutes and harsh on a York side who were outstanding in the first half. |
So basically we will just have to put up with a miserable home record, declining crowds, and general feelings of disconnect with the club because the manager signed a squad that can only play one way. In that case there will be no one watching home games by Easter.
My mate who has been watching for well over 50 years went home just after half time and wont be back until Coleman is gone and who can blame him?
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| Just got back on 21:36 - Dec 1 with 930 views | 442Dale |
| Just got back on 21:32 - Dec 1 by 49thseason |
So basically we will just have to put up with a miserable home record, declining crowds, and general feelings of disconnect with the club because the manager signed a squad that can only play one way. In that case there will be no one watching home games by Easter.
My mate who has been watching for well over 50 years went home just after half time and wont be back until Coleman is gone and who can blame him?
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But we're back to consistency of opinion.
Did similarly long serving fans stop going under all our other managers who've not done well?
Did fans decide they weren't going again after Coleman found a different way of playing v Bristol Rovers?
(and yes, we were bloody poor today. For which Coleman should take a lot of he blame) | |
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| Just got back on 22:09 - Dec 1 with 887 views | 49thseason |
| Just got back on 21:36 - Dec 1 by 442Dale |
But we're back to consistency of opinion.
Did similarly long serving fans stop going under all our other managers who've not done well?
Did fans decide they weren't going again after Coleman found a different way of playing v Bristol Rovers?
(and yes, we were bloody poor today. For which Coleman should take a lot of he blame) |
Yes people did stop going when we were crap, when there were about 1200 regular fans and even then it wasn't as bad then as the first half today. But Its not necessarily about the final result if you feel the team have played their hearts out.
What people are becoming disillusioned with is the lack of taking responsibility, the sheer un-professionalism of so many players in the team. The stupid free kicks given away, the poor corners that don't beat the 1st man, the passes that find an opponent more often than our own players. The useless punts to a centre forward who is little more than a pedestrian, the schoolboy offsides, the pathetic claims for fouls that will never be given, the lack of pace, the paucity of ideas, the pointing at everyone else when it goes wrong. No width, no winger, no schemer, no leader at the back. not a single player worth crossing the road to watch. And the worst of it is that after a win against Bristol why didn't Coleman persevere with a wider system? Answers on a postcard to The Chairman, RAFC, C/O Spotland Stadium. | | | |
| Just got back on 22:10 - Dec 1 with 882 views | BeefCurtain |
Bennett had an absolute MARE in the first half - I would go as far to say as one of the worst halves I've ever seen from a CB in a Dale shirt. He looked a lot better in the second half of course but I think everyone did (was hard not to improve).
I thought Tutte was probably our worst player today but perhaps that's because I've come to expect so much from the lad and let's face it, he was due a bad game! It does seem the case though that when a few of our key players aren't doing it, the rest of the team just goes to pot.
I like Lillis a lot but I'm growing more and more concerned with his decision making and inconsistency. Obviously when keepers make mistakes it's usually very costly and so their errors are much more scrutinised but I'm losing a lot of confidence in the lad if I'm being honest.
My MOM was undoubtedly Gornell. Some of the tackles and pushes on him were borderline assault and yet he barely got a decision. He looked very sharp to me and I was pretty impressed with his aerial presence. I'd absolutely love to have him permanently and I hope this can get sorted. If it weren't for a fantastic save by their keeper then he'd have had a splendid goal to his name as well.
Cavanagh also had a mare but the fans get on his back so quickly. Today I heard, 'He hasn't passed it to a blue shirt yet...' and then when he finally did, 'He always looks for the simple ball, never takes a chance!' That about sums it up for me, the guy can't do anything right some people's eyes (these comments were by the same person btw).
Phil Edwards had a great game against Bristol Rovers and I thought he'd turned a corner with regards to playing RB. Obviously in the formation we played today, he had no-one to overlap with but I honestly can't see why Rafferty isn't getting a looking in. Edwards isn't a right back - I think that's clear to everyone except Coleman.
I find it hard to pick faults with regards to Donnelly because he brings a genuine willingness to run and has a good amount of pace. I thought he changed the game but it was already over by the time he'd been brought on. His pass to Cav though, when he could have shot himself was a textbook WTF moment considering that the latter was all of 3 yards offside (does Gorgeous ever actually look up?!).
Was pretty horrified to see JK being brought off for Grimes because I thought he was our best player after Gornell but I didn't boo and whilst I understand the frustration, I don't really think it's right to do so.
To sum up, I'll leave you with the wise words of a great character...
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| Just got back on 22:16 - Dec 1 with 869 views | 442Dale |
| Just got back on 22:09 - Dec 1 by 49thseason |
Yes people did stop going when we were crap, when there were about 1200 regular fans and even then it wasn't as bad then as the first half today. But Its not necessarily about the final result if you feel the team have played their hearts out.
What people are becoming disillusioned with is the lack of taking responsibility, the sheer un-professionalism of so many players in the team. The stupid free kicks given away, the poor corners that don't beat the 1st man, the passes that find an opponent more often than our own players. The useless punts to a centre forward who is little more than a pedestrian, the schoolboy offsides, the pathetic claims for fouls that will never be given, the lack of pace, the paucity of ideas, the pointing at everyone else when it goes wrong. No width, no winger, no schemer, no leader at the back. not a single player worth crossing the road to watch. And the worst of it is that after a win against Bristol why didn't Coleman persevere with a wider system? Answers on a postcard to The Chairman, RAFC, C/O Spotland Stadium. |
As bad as that first half was, some of it was down to York being excellent. Likened it to a game v Northampton under Sutton in 1993 when we were also three down very quickly- that was much worse than today.
Can't disagree about Coleman not using the system with more width, but that does prove he can change the way we play. | |
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| Just got back on 00:22 - Dec 2 with 767 views | pioneer |
| Just got back on 22:09 - Dec 1 by 49thseason |
Yes people did stop going when we were crap, when there were about 1200 regular fans and even then it wasn't as bad then as the first half today. But Its not necessarily about the final result if you feel the team have played their hearts out.
What people are becoming disillusioned with is the lack of taking responsibility, the sheer un-professionalism of so many players in the team. The stupid free kicks given away, the poor corners that don't beat the 1st man, the passes that find an opponent more often than our own players. The useless punts to a centre forward who is little more than a pedestrian, the schoolboy offsides, the pathetic claims for fouls that will never be given, the lack of pace, the paucity of ideas, the pointing at everyone else when it goes wrong. No width, no winger, no schemer, no leader at the back. not a single player worth crossing the road to watch. And the worst of it is that after a win against Bristol why didn't Coleman persevere with a wider system? Answers on a postcard to The Chairman, RAFC, C/O Spotland Stadium. |
Forget the postcard - if the chairman cannot see what's wrong he is unlikely to be able to read a postcard telling him.
You would think he would be concerned about the impact on crowds but maybe he doesnt care given the expected flow of funds from transfers of former players and the sell on deals.
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