| Dunne off? on 09:56 - Feb 3 with 2079 views | QPR_John |
"Dunne wants to go"
"....is understood to be keen to make the move to Bramall Lane"
Spot the difference |  | |  |
| Dunne off? on 09:59 - Feb 3 with 2009 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
The general feeling on this thread is very, very different to a very similar conversation about Chris Willock 12 months ago.
Now I understand these two players are pretty much polar opposites in their style of play, attitude and availability... But with Willock it was all "money-grabbing, poorly advised, his Dad's a prick", etc. etc.
Now here's Jimmy Dunne, who is essentially electing to do the very same thing that Willock did, arguably with a better PR team / agent, playing out of his skin, managing to turn large swathes of QPR fans against QPR and on his side. If he really loved QPR and weren't simply trying to earn as much money as he possibly could, he'd have signed a contract by now. It really is that simple. It's pretty clear to me he's gaining and using as much leverage as possible in order to get the most lucrative move that he can - be that Sheff Utd today or a free transfer in the summer.
I will never knock him for what he's done on the pitch, he's an absolute joy to watch due to his commitment and effort and physicality. If only we could have bottled his match attitude and given it to the likes of Madsen, Willock himself, Dozzell and countless others. We'd be in the Premier League. But I'm not going to fall for the soundbites about how much he loves QPR until he signs a contract.
I'd even go as far as to say there's some subconscious bias present given his stature and background etc. compared to Willock's. At the end of the day, they've both done the same thing. [Post edited 3 Feb 10:01]
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| Dunne off? on 10:08 - Feb 3 with 1910 views | Loyalitat |
| Dunne off? on 09:59 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
The general feeling on this thread is very, very different to a very similar conversation about Chris Willock 12 months ago.
Now I understand these two players are pretty much polar opposites in their style of play, attitude and availability... But with Willock it was all "money-grabbing, poorly advised, his Dad's a prick", etc. etc.
Now here's Jimmy Dunne, who is essentially electing to do the very same thing that Willock did, arguably with a better PR team / agent, playing out of his skin, managing to turn large swathes of QPR fans against QPR and on his side. If he really loved QPR and weren't simply trying to earn as much money as he possibly could, he'd have signed a contract by now. It really is that simple. It's pretty clear to me he's gaining and using as much leverage as possible in order to get the most lucrative move that he can - be that Sheff Utd today or a free transfer in the summer.
I will never knock him for what he's done on the pitch, he's an absolute joy to watch due to his commitment and effort and physicality. If only we could have bottled his match attitude and given it to the likes of Madsen, Willock himself, Dozzell and countless others. We'd be in the Premier League. But I'm not going to fall for the soundbites about how much he loves QPR until he signs a contract.
I'd even go as far as to say there's some subconscious bias present given his stature and background etc. compared to Willock's. At the end of the day, they've both done the same thing. [Post edited 3 Feb 10:01]
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Great post, totally agree. The different prisms through which an identical situation/set of circumstances can be viewed, with some disgusting undertones, to boot, directed at one of them, is startling.
There is no difference, yet some would still have you believe otherwise. [Post edited 3 Feb 10:22]
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| Dunne off? on 10:09 - Feb 3 with 1887 views | TheChef |
Will be sorry to see him go but this is football, if someone is offering decent cash for him then we can't really turn that down.
And yes by all accounts Edwards filled in well on Saturday so we have an RB to replace him (no not you Ashby). |  |
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| Dunne off? on 10:28 - Feb 3 with 1666 views | W9R |
https://www.skysports.com/football/live-blog/31771/12476234/transfer-centre-live
"Sheff Utd improve bid for QPR's Dunne
Latest from Sky Sports News senior reporter Tim Thornton:
Sheffield United have made an improved bid to sign central defender Jimmy Dunne from QPR.
The Blades had a bid rejected last week.
Chris Wilder is also assessing other options as he attempts to bolster his defence before tonight’s deadline. " | | | |
| Dunne off? on 10:29 - Feb 3 with 1651 views | TomS |
Sky Sports are reporting that Sheffield Utd have made an improved bid for him. That doesn't sound like they have met our asking price. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 10:30 - Feb 3 with 1614 views | Myke |
| Dunne off? on 08:55 - Feb 3 by GaryBannister86 |
You are of course right and this is extremely sensible stuff....but at some point you do have to build and have a squad to go up. Don't you do that by selling the luxury fancy dans and keeping a core of players (like Dunne) who have the drive to get you up? Can't keep churning all the time.
I also find it very hard to cheer a balance sheet.
But, I know you are right deep down. |
But I am not suggesting we 'cheer on a balance sheet'. I am saying enjoy Morgan, Lloyd, Kolli, etc now, and over the next couple of seasons as they develop and THEN sell them for a hefty profit. Re-invest and do it again. If the 'model' works then we should always be watching exciting young talent develop, before moving them on.
Of course you are also correct, at some point we have to 'go for it', but that should happen automatically when we are competing regularly at the top end of the table. Not when we put an unbeaten run of 12-14 games together and throw the kitchen sink at the 'holy grail', thereby undermining any good work over the previous year or two and finding ourselves back to square one. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 10:30 - Feb 3 with 1604 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Dunne off? on 09:59 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
The general feeling on this thread is very, very different to a very similar conversation about Chris Willock 12 months ago.
Now I understand these two players are pretty much polar opposites in their style of play, attitude and availability... But with Willock it was all "money-grabbing, poorly advised, his Dad's a prick", etc. etc.
Now here's Jimmy Dunne, who is essentially electing to do the very same thing that Willock did, arguably with a better PR team / agent, playing out of his skin, managing to turn large swathes of QPR fans against QPR and on his side. If he really loved QPR and weren't simply trying to earn as much money as he possibly could, he'd have signed a contract by now. It really is that simple. It's pretty clear to me he's gaining and using as much leverage as possible in order to get the most lucrative move that he can - be that Sheff Utd today or a free transfer in the summer.
I will never knock him for what he's done on the pitch, he's an absolute joy to watch due to his commitment and effort and physicality. If only we could have bottled his match attitude and given it to the likes of Madsen, Willock himself, Dozzell and countless others. We'd be in the Premier League. But I'm not going to fall for the soundbites about how much he loves QPR until he signs a contract.
I'd even go as far as to say there's some subconscious bias present given his stature and background etc. compared to Willock's. At the end of the day, they've both done the same thing. [Post edited 3 Feb 10:01]
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“Subconscious bias” and the following post’s “disgusting undertones”.
Do any posters on this forum really need to have these implied accusations thrown at them?
I’d say not. |  | | |
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| Dunne off? on 10:32 - Feb 3 with 1539 views | johnhoop |
| Dunne off? on 10:30 - Feb 3 by Ned_Kennedys |
“Subconscious bias” and the following post’s “disgusting undertones”.
Do any posters on this forum really need to have these implied accusations thrown at them?
I’d say not. |
Especially when there is plenty of conscious bias and disgusting undertones in the threads relating to Korean supporters. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 10:42 - Feb 3 with 1380 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Dunne off? on 10:30 - Feb 3 by Ned_Kennedys |
“Subconscious bias” and the following post’s “disgusting undertones”.
Do any posters on this forum really need to have these implied accusations thrown at them?
I’d say not. |
The thing about saying people might have subconsious bias is that no-one can prove they have or they haven't.
Willock was harshly treated by Beale, but his work rate was also sometimes bordering on awful, so him running down his contract - if he did - was always going to be met with annoyance.
Dunne may or may not be running down his contract - again we have no way of knowing - but the reaction will be different by many because he is such a whole-hearted player. |  |
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| Dunne off? on 10:43 - Feb 3 with 1349 views | R_from_afar |
| Dunne off? on 08:55 - Feb 3 by GaryBannister86 |
You are of course right and this is extremely sensible stuff....but at some point you do have to build and have a squad to go up. Don't you do that by selling the luxury fancy dans and keeping a core of players (like Dunne) who have the drive to get you up? Can't keep churning all the time.
I also find it very hard to cheer a balance sheet.
But, I know you are right deep down. |
What you put in your first paragraph is spot on.
Clearly, we need to look to make player sales pretty often but there is a balancing act: We need to make sure that we don't portray QPR as a mere stepping stone, a club with little ambition.
Unless our player development goes into overdrive and/or we find a way to make our stadium generate a lot more cash, the only way we'll achieve financial sustainability is to go up.
To do that, we'll need to not only punch above our weight - the dice is loaded against clubs like us with comparatively low revenues - but also have a season when our players are performing and want to stick with us and give promotion a real go.
It's really not easy for clubs like ours, our circumstances are soooo challenging  |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Dunne off? on 10:46 - Feb 3 with 1274 views | nadera78 |
| Dunne off? on 10:08 - Feb 3 by Loyalitat |
Great post, totally agree. The different prisms through which an identical situation/set of circumstances can be viewed, with some disgusting undertones, to boot, directed at one of them, is startling.
There is no difference, yet some would still have you believe otherwise. [Post edited 3 Feb 10:22]
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There is absolutely no comparison between Dunne and Willock. The former has worked his knackers off every week, the latter did naff all. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 10:47 - Feb 3 with 1227 views | daveB |
| Dunne off? on 09:59 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
The general feeling on this thread is very, very different to a very similar conversation about Chris Willock 12 months ago.
Now I understand these two players are pretty much polar opposites in their style of play, attitude and availability... But with Willock it was all "money-grabbing, poorly advised, his Dad's a prick", etc. etc.
Now here's Jimmy Dunne, who is essentially electing to do the very same thing that Willock did, arguably with a better PR team / agent, playing out of his skin, managing to turn large swathes of QPR fans against QPR and on his side. If he really loved QPR and weren't simply trying to earn as much money as he possibly could, he'd have signed a contract by now. It really is that simple. It's pretty clear to me he's gaining and using as much leverage as possible in order to get the most lucrative move that he can - be that Sheff Utd today or a free transfer in the summer.
I will never knock him for what he's done on the pitch, he's an absolute joy to watch due to his commitment and effort and physicality. If only we could have bottled his match attitude and given it to the likes of Madsen, Willock himself, Dozzell and countless others. We'd be in the Premier League. But I'm not going to fall for the soundbites about how much he loves QPR until he signs a contract.
I'd even go as far as to say there's some subconscious bias present given his stature and background etc. compared to Willock's. At the end of the day, they've both done the same thing. [Post edited 3 Feb 10:01]
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The big difference is Willock was turning down deals becasue he wanted a lot more money and considering how crap and uninterested Willock had been for the best part of a year plus his injury record he deservedly got a bit more stick. He was also seen as the big cash cow after Eze so seeing him run the contract down brought real frustration.
As far as we know the Dunne situation is very different, he wasn't offered multiple new deals and it never affected his performances, I also don't think in any other window you'd get offers like this for him so even if he left on a free in the summer I don't feel like we've missed out. He's got his head down and given everything whenever he's put on the shirt, good luck to him
I should add I never heard a single chant against Willock whilst that was going on in the ground but heard several about Jimmy Dunne on Saturday so not sure the two situations are similar at all. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 10:48 - Feb 3 with 1219 views | connell10 |
| Dunne off? on 10:43 - Feb 3 by R_from_afar |
What you put in your first paragraph is spot on.
Clearly, we need to look to make player sales pretty often but there is a balancing act: We need to make sure that we don't portray QPR as a mere stepping stone, a club with little ambition.
Unless our player development goes into overdrive and/or we find a way to make our stadium generate a lot more cash, the only way we'll achieve financial sustainability is to go up.
To do that, we'll need to not only punch above our weight - the dice is loaded against clubs like us with comparatively low revenues - but also have a season when our players are performing and want to stick with us and give promotion a real go.
It's really not easy for clubs like ours, our circumstances are soooo challenging |
I love Jimmy but if he don't want to be here he can basically go , I don't think it's good for the club and team to have players who want to move on. So get as much money for him now and say goodbye. |  |
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| Dunne off? on 10:53 - Feb 3 with 1082 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 10:47 - Feb 3 by daveB |
The big difference is Willock was turning down deals becasue he wanted a lot more money and considering how crap and uninterested Willock had been for the best part of a year plus his injury record he deservedly got a bit more stick. He was also seen as the big cash cow after Eze so seeing him run the contract down brought real frustration.
As far as we know the Dunne situation is very different, he wasn't offered multiple new deals and it never affected his performances, I also don't think in any other window you'd get offers like this for him so even if he left on a free in the summer I don't feel like we've missed out. He's got his head down and given everything whenever he's put on the shirt, good luck to him
I should add I never heard a single chant against Willock whilst that was going on in the ground but heard several about Jimmy Dunne on Saturday so not sure the two situations are similar at all. |
How do you know Dunne hasn't been offered multiple deals Dave?
Given they don't tell us how long players are contracted and sometimes that players are injured I don't see how we'd know one way or the other. I'd also be absolutely stunned if they hadn't tried to extend his contract at any point over the last 12 months. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 10:55 - Feb 3 with 1036 views | GaryHaddock |
| Dunne off? on 09:59 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
The general feeling on this thread is very, very different to a very similar conversation about Chris Willock 12 months ago.
Now I understand these two players are pretty much polar opposites in their style of play, attitude and availability... But with Willock it was all "money-grabbing, poorly advised, his Dad's a prick", etc. etc.
Now here's Jimmy Dunne, who is essentially electing to do the very same thing that Willock did, arguably with a better PR team / agent, playing out of his skin, managing to turn large swathes of QPR fans against QPR and on his side. If he really loved QPR and weren't simply trying to earn as much money as he possibly could, he'd have signed a contract by now. It really is that simple. It's pretty clear to me he's gaining and using as much leverage as possible in order to get the most lucrative move that he can - be that Sheff Utd today or a free transfer in the summer.
I will never knock him for what he's done on the pitch, he's an absolute joy to watch due to his commitment and effort and physicality. If only we could have bottled his match attitude and given it to the likes of Madsen, Willock himself, Dozzell and countless others. We'd be in the Premier League. But I'm not going to fall for the soundbites about how much he loves QPR until he signs a contract.
I'd even go as far as to say there's some subconscious bias present given his stature and background etc. compared to Willock's. At the end of the day, they've both done the same thing. [Post edited 3 Feb 10:01]
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I don’t disagree on much of that, but I’d also caveat that Robinson and Manning got some shit thrown at them too. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 10:56 - Feb 3 with 1018 views | dmm |
And Vale transfer 'expected' but no interest yet shown in EDB. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 10:58 - Feb 3 with 993 views | TheChef |
| Dunne off? on 10:47 - Feb 3 by daveB |
The big difference is Willock was turning down deals becasue he wanted a lot more money and considering how crap and uninterested Willock had been for the best part of a year plus his injury record he deservedly got a bit more stick. He was also seen as the big cash cow after Eze so seeing him run the contract down brought real frustration.
As far as we know the Dunne situation is very different, he wasn't offered multiple new deals and it never affected his performances, I also don't think in any other window you'd get offers like this for him so even if he left on a free in the summer I don't feel like we've missed out. He's got his head down and given everything whenever he's put on the shirt, good luck to him
I should add I never heard a single chant against Willock whilst that was going on in the ground but heard several about Jimmy Dunne on Saturday so not sure the two situations are similar at all. |
Re Willock I think he/we were unlucky as he was in great form but then got that hamstring injury which put him out of action. If not for that, I think we'd have a sold him for a decent sum that summer.
But ultimately he's always been poorly advised by his dad who I get the impression was just looking to make more money with every move. | |
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| Dunne off? on 10:58 - Feb 3 with 977 views | SimplyNico |
| Dunne off? on 09:59 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
The general feeling on this thread is very, very different to a very similar conversation about Chris Willock 12 months ago.
Now I understand these two players are pretty much polar opposites in their style of play, attitude and availability... But with Willock it was all "money-grabbing, poorly advised, his Dad's a prick", etc. etc.
Now here's Jimmy Dunne, who is essentially electing to do the very same thing that Willock did, arguably with a better PR team / agent, playing out of his skin, managing to turn large swathes of QPR fans against QPR and on his side. If he really loved QPR and weren't simply trying to earn as much money as he possibly could, he'd have signed a contract by now. It really is that simple. It's pretty clear to me he's gaining and using as much leverage as possible in order to get the most lucrative move that he can - be that Sheff Utd today or a free transfer in the summer.
I will never knock him for what he's done on the pitch, he's an absolute joy to watch due to his commitment and effort and physicality. If only we could have bottled his match attitude and given it to the likes of Madsen, Willock himself, Dozzell and countless others. We'd be in the Premier League. But I'm not going to fall for the soundbites about how much he loves QPR until he signs a contract.
I'd even go as far as to say there's some subconscious bias present given his stature and background etc. compared to Willock's. At the end of the day, they've both done the same thing. [Post edited 3 Feb 10:01]
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This.
It's a short career. He has to make his money. Good luck to him. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:04 - Feb 3 with 872 views | francisbowles |
| Dunne off? on 10:29 - Feb 3 by TomS |
Sky Sports are reporting that Sheffield Utd have made an improved bid for him. That doesn't sound like they have met our asking price. |
It's a negotiation!
If we are asking for £3 million up front for him and he can walk for free in the summer, then I would expect it will be settled at £2 million and a bit. The rest, and more, could be made up with add ons for promotion. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:08 - Feb 3 with 781 views | daveB |
| Dunne off? on 10:53 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
How do you know Dunne hasn't been offered multiple deals Dave?
Given they don't tell us how long players are contracted and sometimes that players are injured I don't see how we'd know one way or the other. I'd also be absolutely stunned if they hadn't tried to extend his contract at any point over the last 12 months. |
I'm going off his interview before christmas when he said he hadn't been offered anything but wasn't worried about that | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:14 - Feb 3 with 654 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 11:08 - Feb 3 by daveB |
I'm going off his interview before christmas when he said he hadn't been offered anything but wasn't worried about that |
Well I personally wouldn't read too much into that. That assumes that contract negotiations only work in hierarchical offers. It might be that no official offer had come in because he and / or his agent were / are demanding terms we simply can't 'offer'. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:15 - Feb 3 with 640 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 10:55 - Feb 3 by GaryHaddock |
I don’t disagree on much of that, but I’d also caveat that Robinson and Manning got some shit thrown at them too. |
A fair and important point. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 11:16 - Feb 3 with 611 views | andrewf |
| Dunne off? on 10:58 - Feb 3 by SimplyNico |
This.
It's a short career. He has to make his money. Good luck to him. |
That's true and if he does go for that reason then it's understandable. That said, he's known that not signing a new deal means this is his last season with us so he could perhaps have cut out the badge clutching if he wasn't planning to sign. That would make him seem a tad bit less cynical. [Post edited 3 Feb 11:30]
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