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The Budget 14:22 - Oct 30 with 2974 viewsSouthamptonfan

An excellent refreshing budget I thought, by a very commanding, professional and credible chancellor. Triple lock kept (rightly so), pensioners protected, billions raised for our crumbling services so badly needed, no increase in fuel duty (right decison), and at last,.an end to criminals going in to my local shop, supermarkets and stealing up to £100 without consequence. A start on restoring law and order in this country. Taxes raised for multi billion pound companies to pay their fair share. And 50 per cent increase on those using private jets. Too right. If you can afford to travel at that expense, then give some back to the country (Sorry Rishi).

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The Budget on 06:25 - Nov 1 with 178 viewsBerber

The Budget on 20:29 - Oct 31 by Jellybaby

The "party" with the biggest vote was no vote with over 40%.

80% of the electorate did not vote Labour.

No, they do not properly represent this country.


Arguably, no vote means no say. I knew a bloke that had a knack for finding something wrong, then getting on his high horse about something needing to be done. Until his wife would ask him what was HE going to do about it. No answer, and she told him to stick his indignation back up where it came from.

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The Budget on 09:47 - Nov 1 with 92 viewsIfonly

The Budget on 19:04 - Oct 31 by saintmark1976

So Ifonly, by virtue of the fact you have not suggested anything to the contrary we can now assume that you have accepted ( I imagine somewhat reluctantly ) that even after yesterday’s budget tax increases, our tax take to G D P ratio is less than the majority of comparable European countries ? That’s a start at least.

You then state “ I don’t think that every other European government is wrong “. Another step forward.

Unfortunately and for reasons best known to yourself, prior to the above mentioned Damascene moments, you appear to suggest that a role model for us should be “ getting in step with the US”. A country 3000 odd miles away whose economy has produced some of the biggest life inequality for its citizens in the whole Western World and which appears to be on the verge of electing a grifter as its president for the second time. Forgive me if I’m not attracted to that proposal.

The bottom line for the next five years or so is that a democratically elected UK government with a majority of 170 seats has decided to increase taxation to fund public services, primarily the N H S.

Quite unsurprisingly those asked to contribute more aren’t happy, thus it ever was in every budget I can remember. By next week their complaints will be completely forgotten.


What does the fact that the US is "3000 odd miles" away, or the fact that they elect idiots as leaders (just as we do) have to do with it? Sounds like you're desperately trying to divert away from the issue.

Focusing on the actual issue at hand, by "virtue of the fact you have not suggested anything to the contrary" as you say, I take it that you agree that the US is a much more successful economy and people there have much higher living standards. Just to underline that point, if we were an American state we would be the poorest state in the union. Our middle/working classes are much worse off than the US and the bottom 10% are the same. So, yes they have higher inequality (so what?) but the poor are not worse off. Here is an article that explains the key points simply:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/08/25/britain-is-poorer-than-any-u

So, why shouldn't the US be the economic model we aspire to, rather than poor and failing old Europe? We don't have to copy everything about them, but people who aren't closed minded, arrogant idiots will understand that the US has done a much better job of growing their economy and so are much better able to afford better lifestyles, alongside national goods.

To take another example of a national good, the US spends 3.5% of GDP on defence, while most European countries spend virtually nothing. What's the point of spending huge sums on welfare if you can't even defend your own country? Europe relies on the US to do its defence for it. Donald Trump has the good sense to point out that this is unacceptable and Europe needs to get its act together. If the US stops supporting Ukraine, Europe won't be able to afford to keep it going.

So, how have the US built this better economy that means the people are better off, while also funding national goods? The answer is that they have a low tax country that rewards private investment and hard work. That will keep America ahead until Europe wakes up and focuses on growing the private sector economy by lowering taxes, instead of slowly taxing it to a standstill.
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