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Rochdale - Heywood - bUrY railway on 09:25 - May 25 by blackdogblue
I must admit finding the Metrolink handy at times when going into Manchester, with the free parking at Crumpsall its a lot cheaper than central Manchester parking. Have done Rochdale interchange to Mcr once (only because I couldn’t be bothered walking from the town centre to the station) it took forever.
One thing I noticed on the extension plan though was a bus interchange sign at Heywood.
Why on earth would Heywood need a bus interchange? As far as I know it only has busses to Mcr/Rochdale & Bury. It’s not exactly a metropolis is it, there isn’t exactly a lot there and in addition, where would they build it because once you get to Iceland it goes one of two ways, Pilsworth or Bury?
Would never again get the tram from Rochdale to Manchester. Not just the time it takes but the seats aren't designed to be sat on for more than say 20 minutes. Got on a tram in the town centre and by the time it came to get off at St Peters Square I'd lost all feeling in my a*se, could barely stand up and waddled onto the platform. Train is a damn sight faster, and numerous connections from Victoria into the city centre.
About Heywood, the 2040 Strategy refers to different types of transport interchanges that might be developed, one of which is a local hub in "Smaller local centres, and employment destinations, with potential for providing more local interchange opportunities e.g. to improve access to future employment areas identified through the Greater Manchester Spatial Framework" which sounds about right for Heywood, particularly with the large development planned near to Junction 19. The success of schemes such as re-opening of the Rochdale/Heywood/bury line depends on usage and a key element of the Strategy is around accessibility and connectivity - if we are to get away from car use we will need better local public transport to access the key transport hubs.
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Rochdale - Heywood - bUrY railway on 13:53 - May 25 by smaclad1
Would never again get the tram from Rochdale to Manchester. Not just the time it takes but the seats aren't designed to be sat on for more than say 20 minutes. Got on a tram in the town centre and by the time it came to get off at St Peters Square I'd lost all feeling in my a*se, could barely stand up and waddled onto the platform. Train is a damn sight faster, and numerous connections from Victoria into the city centre.
About Heywood, the 2040 Strategy refers to different types of transport interchanges that might be developed, one of which is a local hub in "Smaller local centres, and employment destinations, with potential for providing more local interchange opportunities e.g. to improve access to future employment areas identified through the Greater Manchester Spatial Framework" which sounds about right for Heywood, particularly with the large development planned near to Junction 19. The success of schemes such as re-opening of the Rochdale/Heywood/bury line depends on usage and a key element of the Strategy is around accessibility and connectivity - if we are to get away from car use we will need better local public transport to access the key transport hubs.
Agree with your comments about comfort and speed. Live in Milnrow and would rather drive to Smithy Bridge or Rochdale than use the tram. In the last days of the trains, there were 4 trains an hour that took about 25 minute to Manchester. Now (normally) 5 trams an hour that take 45 minutes.
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Rochdale - Heywood - bUrY railway on 20:16 - May 25 by onedalefan
Agree with your comments about comfort and speed. Live in Milnrow and would rather drive to Smithy Bridge or Rochdale than use the tram. In the last days of the trains, there were 4 trains an hour that took about 25 minute to Manchester. Now (normally) 5 trams an hour that take 45 minutes.
Rose tinted specs looking back to the halcyon days of the Sprinters I think odf.. Was never 25 minutes Milnrow to Manchester. The Oldham Loop took best part of an hour Rochdale to Manchester.
Back in the 80's and having to travel Dale to Manchester in the evenings, on average once every three weeks or so. Two trains an hour - a direct train via Cassie, and a Loop train that helpfully left just three minutes later. No electronic platforms signs back then, and just a single staff member on duty - some of whom could have given Lord Lucan a run for his money in the elusiveness stakes! The number of times got on the Loop train cos no sign of the direct one, only for the Loop train to move off, park up at the signals for five minutes waiting for thee direct train to come through. B *stard!
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Rochdale - Heywood - bUrY railway on 08:52 - May 25 by James1980
Thank you that is very comprehensive, hopefully whatever happens the heritage railway will continue, perhaps access to the 'mainline' could be use to its advantage. On smart ticketing there is a national rail project called Smart ticketing on national rail (imaginative I know) which is to set standardised smart ticketing across the industry.
If it's a straight choice between the heritage railway continuing and a Metrolink line that helps link Heywood to Bury, Rochdale and Manchester then I'd have to hope the tram gets the nod. Heywood is desperately underserved when it comes to public transport.
As for the interchange, I'm sure I read upon the announcement of the 2040 plan that at least three new or altered bus services would be running through Heywood to help service the new development that Smaclad mentioned.
Tangled up in blue.
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Rochdale - Heywood - bUrY railway on 09:36 - May 26 with 1487 views
Rochdale - Heywood - bUrY railway on 09:21 - May 26 by AtThePeake
If it's a straight choice between the heritage railway continuing and a Metrolink line that helps link Heywood to Bury, Rochdale and Manchester then I'd have to hope the tram gets the nod. Heywood is desperately underserved when it comes to public transport.
As for the interchange, I'm sure I read upon the announcement of the 2040 plan that at least three new or altered bus services would be running through Heywood to help service the new development that Smaclad mentioned.
Fortunately, it's not a straight choice (although i agree that reading some of the above might make it appear that way)
The ELR is a privately run enterprise, struggling at the minute like other businesses in the broader leisure industry and for the same reasons
It's been a viable part of the East Lancs economy for some time, running between Bury and Rawtenstall, and also providing employment not least through it's top class engine restoration shed at Heywood. There were plans in place to add a station at Heywood near Green Lane to further extend the heritage line
The proposal James started the thread with concerns the national rail network taking over the line and and running a service via the existing Castleton branch but which would need upgrading, with the potential to link up to the main line further upstream at Bolton. (This might pose something of a threat to the ELR, with both national rail and private services potentially running along the same track; not an easy co-existence especially with veteran steam engines involved. It'd need careful planning, just as it does when steam trains such as the Flying Scotsman are allowed to run on the national rail network.)
A tram service running from Heywood and linking into the existing GM network would be a separate service and the two aren't mutually exclusive; indeed could become complementary. It'd be great if both could happen, and would make a huge difference not only to Heywood but the entire surrounding area. There's no reason, for instance, why the engineering skills at the Heywood restoration shed couldn't become a focus for apprenticeships and the locality become a hub for long-lost industrial enterprise
Rochdale - Heywood - bUrY railway on 11:00 - May 26 by pioneer
$500k to develop a proposal to explain why it would be a good idea......I hope it would pay for more than that.
I think it involves engineering, economic and social change reports too. It is a lot of money but the engineering part of it alone would cost a significant amount.
I think it's a good move. The metrolink network needs to be more than just access to Manchester but it also needs to be properly integrated with the other forms of public transport, including trains that go outside the tfgm area.
'It also proposes a new link at Hellifield to allow trains to turn South to Leeds and London as opposed to only running North to Carlisle'. Not a chance any services would run to London.
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Rochdale - Heywood - bUrY railway on 20:05 - May 27 with 1198 views
Rochdale - Heywood - bUrY railway on 19:56 - May 27 by onedalefan
'It also proposes a new link at Hellifield to allow trains to turn South to Leeds and London as opposed to only running North to Carlisle'. Not a chance any services would run to London.
I think what it means is that connectivity would be restored to the capital via the Leeds route, not necessarily that a Clitheroe-London service would be commenced
I always get the tram to Manchester these days, or should I say I did before the corona crisis. When you factor in the time to walk from the tram stop to Rochdale railway station and the time it takes to walk from Victoria station into central Manchester it's not a lot slower. There's normally a tram waiting or due to arrive and they run regularly, some times you get to the station and the train is cancelled or delayed. I don't find them particularly uncomfortable but they can be cold if you have a seat near the doors.
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