| Does Brexit die tonight? 11:59 - Sep 3 with 35444 views | westwalesed |
When this bill passes, which I expect it to, my understanding is that the EU theoretically can propose a different extension to the proposed January 31st, 2020 date currently in the bill.
The bill states that the PM has to accept that date, and that Parliament has two days to either accept or reject it (thereby putting any future extension date in the hands of Parliament as opposed to the PM). Given that we have a remain leaning parliament currently it's hard tp see how any proposed date would be rejected.
PM Johnson would then seek an election as he has stated, but now that it is looking as if the opposition parties may not get to the two-thirds of MPs required to trigger it, there will be no election at all. What then?
With a Govt that has to accept any date given and Parliament refusing to give him an opportunity to change the make up of the Commons, is this the day that Brexit dies?
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 11:59 - Sep 7 with 1564 views | Catullus |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 11:51 - Sep 7 by Wingstandwood |
What has happened to this part of the world is extremely significant regarding attitudes of 'the mainstream'.
The Tories blatantly ignoring (maybe even punishing?) these parts because of 'traditional' and 'tribal' loyalties to Labour.....And Labour itself having no necessity or motivation whatsoever to please the SW Wales electorate because many would vote for the party anyhow....Green light stuff to continue to pursue a more than obvious "keep them poor, keep them voting Labour" strategy.
Have you noticed (*cough, cough, cough*) the deprivation, poverty and despair that still exists in die-hard Labour areas, despite Labour being re-elected again and again and again after that?
And another thing i.e. the third-sector 'jobs-for-the-boys' shoe-in's and patronage that exists because of poverty? Poverty why alleviate it? A good few parasites would lose an easy buck! |
It's not just Wales, many parts of Northern England are in the same position. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 12:24 - Sep 7 with 1536 views | Wingstandwood |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 11:59 - Sep 7 by Catullus |
It's not just Wales, many parts of Northern England are in the same position. |
Indeed, a deeply divided and economically partitioned U.K. |  |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 14:57 - Sep 7 with 1481 views | perchrockjack |
Very true but forget ye not there are swathes of old money in northern England.
Those that built the ships,mined the coal,spun the cotton or simply traded with the word ,left a legacy.
The north ain't all gloom and the south not all full of money .
I understand it's easily to travel south than north for Swansea people so much of the north is unknown.
Try Northumberland. Most southerners ,if asked to point it out on a map,would point to Norway or Denmark.
Feckn unbelievably beautiful and not poor either.
North Yorks is often minted | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 19:10 - Sep 7 with 1413 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 10:03 - Sep 7 by Catullus |
I take your point but we are all out of options, it's a GE or a referendum. Why have a referendum when the politicians pretty much refused to deliver the result of the last one? Either something happens to change the situation or we are stuck in this obscene and ridiculous position.
Way back in the ether of previous brexit chatter I said (not sure if it was on here) that I believe we have too many politicians, where we used to have just Westminster to run the UK now we have the EU, Westminster and three devolved governments. The net result of this massively expensive growth in "representation" is a fall in wages, a decline in services, a rise in crime and the only people significantly better off are the already rich and.....politicians. Westminster and the WAG got massive pay rises, MEP's have around £6,500 per month as well as subsidised shops and they all have gold plated pensions. Ahhh, pensions, you know, those things we pay into all our working lives but are apparently, these days, a benefit payment. A rod to beat pensioners with. isn't that the way the country has gone though. We rarely get real debate anymore, everyone seems to want to argue and hurl insults at those who disagree with them. Some just wnt to hurl insults at others just because they can, but I digress.
Anyway, I also said if we can't get rid of the EU, I think I'd just as soon get rid of Westminster, give England it's own Parliament and throw full control over to the EU. As long as they had proper elections for the leadership and commission. That means a nominally indepedent Wales inside the EU. Right now it's hard to see how that can possibly be worse than the utter shambles we are forced to witness/live through. Apart from of course, we would lose the 15 billion from Westminster and the English would gain hugely, financially by not having to prop up Wales, Scotland and NI, an EU bonus of some 35 billion per year.
Then the WelshNats get their way, the remainers get their way, the EU get their way and we can reap the benefits, assuming there are any!
Those of us who are pro union and voted leave can sit back and either shut up or shout I told you so, whichever is appropriate. Then in 40/50 years, the now old "young people who had their futures ruined by brexit" can find out what it's like to be told by young people that they are old, thick, ignorant, uneducated, racist, xenophobic, to be called spongers and to be dismissed as pointless and out of touch, possibly to be denied a vote because being old means it won't affect them. What goes around usually comes around. |
The UK national debt stands at £1.786 trillion at the calendar year end 2018, or 85.2% of GDP; as published by the Office for National Statistics[22].
The UK clearly cannot afford to be independent.
See what i did there ? |  |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 19:39 - Sep 7 with 1393 views | Catullus |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 19:10 - Sep 7 by Kilkennyjack |
The UK national debt stands at £1.786 trillion at the calendar year end 2018, or 85.2% of GDP; as published by the Office for National Statistics[22].
The UK clearly cannot afford to be independent.
See what i did there ? |
That's irrelevant. Wales, Scotland and NI have a share of that debt but an indepedent England can easily afford their share, obviously so as they are paying the debt AND subsidising the rest of the UK too. Wales share of the debt may be around 88 billion and as we spend more than we raise in tax, that makes us bankrupt from the very start.
It's Ok though, I'm sure the EU will pick up the bill. assuming they allow us to join. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:02 - Sep 7 with 1365 views | sherpajacob |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 19:39 - Sep 7 by Catullus |
That's irrelevant. Wales, Scotland and NI have a share of that debt but an indepedent England can easily afford their share, obviously so as they are paying the debt AND subsidising the rest of the UK too. Wales share of the debt may be around 88 billion and as we spend more than we raise in tax, that makes us bankrupt from the very start.
It's Ok though, I'm sure the EU will pick up the bill. assuming they allow us to join. |
Would an independent Wales spaff several billions a year on nuclear weapons?
Or millions on a royal family and residences.
We can be self sufficient in energy, food and water, can England? |  |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:19 - Sep 7 with 1353 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 09:02 - Sep 7 by jackrmee |
A GE shirley won't be the best way of sorting this out, as people will be forced to vote for someone simply because of their stance on Brexit, rather than what they stand for and what their policies are.
I don't want to have to do that.
I want to vote for the party who I think will help the country according to its manifesto, not be forced to ignore all that side of things and tactically vote for someone else, possibly making them PM, simply to guard whichever outcome on brexit I prefer. |
"I want to vote for the party who I think will help the country according to its manifesto"
You jest surely, since when has any party actually stuck to it's Manifesto?
Niether major party did in the last election. | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:40 - Sep 7 with 1338 views | jackportis |
So Boris could go to jail if he does not go and get an extension. He will be the modern day Nelson Mandela. |  |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:12 - Sep 7 with 1305 views | Wingstandwood |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:40 - Sep 7 by jackportis |
So Boris could go to jail if he does not go and get an extension. He will be the modern day Nelson Mandela. |
I reckon Boris Johnson is soon to give his party a Brexit-turbo boost in similar fashion to that of what Margaret Thatcher gave The Conservatives after the Falklands war.
If he refuses to get an extension and becomes some form of martyr by resigning etc... The Conservative Party will become even stronger. The public always admire leaders they perceive to be strong. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:16 - Sep 7 with 1298 views | bluey_the_blue |
As reflected by latest polls.
Boo's "weekus horibilus" has increased lead over Labour in the polls. | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:19 - Sep 7 with 1294 views | majorraglan |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:16 - Sep 7 by bluey_the_blue |
As reflected by latest polls.
Boo's "weekus horibilus" has increased lead over Labour in the polls. |
That’s astounding. He’s had a grim week. | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:21 - Sep 7 with 1292 views | Wingstandwood |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:16 - Sep 7 by bluey_the_blue |
As reflected by latest polls.
Boo's "weekus horibilus" has increased lead over Labour in the polls. |
The Labour Party and parliamentary remain alliance have gifted 'the-enemy' with an extraordinary own goal.....I suspect Tory strategists and spin-doctors will exploit this to the hilt.
Respect however to Labour M.P's whom despite their Kamikaze action(s) have shown 100% loyalty to their own party. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:42 - Sep 7 with 1258 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:21 - Sep 7 by Wingstandwood |
The Labour Party and parliamentary remain alliance have gifted 'the-enemy' with an extraordinary own goal.....I suspect Tory strategists and spin-doctors will exploit this to the hilt.
Respect however to Labour M.P's whom despite their Kamikaze action(s) have shown 100% loyalty to their own party. |
So .....
You think that the guy who has clearly and factually lost x4, has won.
And the people who have clearly won, have lost ?
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Even his own brother has quit.
Brexit is dead. 🇪🇺ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:44 - Sep 7 with 1252 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:12 - Sep 7 by Wingstandwood |
I reckon Boris Johnson is soon to give his party a Brexit-turbo boost in similar fashion to that of what Margaret Thatcher gave The Conservatives after the Falklands war.
If he refuses to get an extension and becomes some form of martyr by resigning etc... The Conservative Party will become even stronger. The public always admire leaders they perceive to be strong. |
Nope.
Only the old UKIP heads will miss the tw@tt. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:45 - Sep 7 with 1251 views | Wingstandwood |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:42 - Sep 7 by Kilkennyjack |
So .....
You think that the guy who has clearly and factually lost x4, has won.
And the people who have clearly won, have lost ?
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Even his own brother has quit.
Brexit is dead. 🇪🇺ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ |
I was thinking more on the lines of who will win the next election.... I predict it will be the Tories. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:47 - Sep 7 with 1242 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:16 - Sep 7 by bluey_the_blue |
As reflected by latest polls.
Boo's "weekus horibilus" has increased lead over Labour in the polls. |
Well yes, because it’s moved from the brexit party.
The Tories have become a far right party in a matter of weeks. But their one nation support hasn’t as yet moved from them. The deal with the brexit party currently in negotiation will force the issue.
Of course, given the opposition now have a 42 or 43 strong majority, they could just call a second referendum... | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:51 - Sep 7 with 1232 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:45 - Sep 7 by Wingstandwood |
I was thinking more on the lines of who will win the next election.... I predict it will be the Tories. |
Hung parliament is my guess.
Clearly if Boris merges with the ukip mob, then the progressives will also merge.
I think that hurts the Tory party more.
Labour cant win with Jezza. I agree. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:55 - Sep 7 with 1227 views | Wingstandwood |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:51 - Sep 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Hung parliament is my guess.
Clearly if Boris merges with the ukip mob, then the progressives will also merge.
I think that hurts the Tory party more.
Labour cant win with Jezza. I agree. |
I can assure you two things i.e. The Conservatives will not merge with UKIP and working class voters are about to abandon the Labour Party in droves outside of London. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:56 - Sep 7 with 1224 views | jack_lord |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:47 - Sep 7 by londonlisa2001 |
Well yes, because it’s moved from the brexit party.
The Tories have become a far right party in a matter of weeks. But their one nation support hasn’t as yet moved from them. The deal with the brexit party currently in negotiation will force the issue.
Of course, given the opposition now have a 42 or 43 strong majority, they could just call a second referendum... |
Will the DUP give up its support to the minority "Government" then? |  |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:01 - Sep 7 with 1219 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:55 - Sep 7 by Wingstandwood |
I can assure you two things i.e. The Conservatives will not merge with UKIP and working class voters are about to abandon the Labour Party in droves outside of London. |
You cant really assure me ‘cos the internet is currently saying that Aaron Banks is offering the Tories a huge war chest if they join with farage.
Its about one issue now - Brexshite.
You might be right about Jezza.
He is damaged goods.
Keir is the man. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:01 - Sep 7 with 1218 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:55 - Sep 7 by Wingstandwood |
I can assure you two things i.e. The Conservatives will not merge with UKIP and working class voters are about to abandon the Labour Party in droves outside of London. |
The conservatives are in talks with the brexit company as we speak.
And it’s not just London, it’s cities in general where they’ll lose votes. Manchester, Liverpool, Cardiff...Plus the South East. Plus places like Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Sussex. All seats in Scotland possibly.
The thought of ‘working class’ voters supporting Johnson, Rees Mogg and Farage tells you everything you need to know about how ridiculous this all is. | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:02 - Sep 7 with 1212 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:56 - Sep 7 by jack_lord |
Will the DUP give up its support to the minority "Government" then? |
I was counting the DUP with the government. | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:06 - Sep 7 with 1210 views | Wingstandwood |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:01 - Sep 7 by londonlisa2001 |
The conservatives are in talks with the brexit company as we speak.
And it’s not just London, it’s cities in general where they’ll lose votes. Manchester, Liverpool, Cardiff...Plus the South East. Plus places like Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Sussex. All seats in Scotland possibly.
The thought of ‘working class’ voters supporting Johnson, Rees Mogg and Farage tells you everything you need to know about how ridiculous this all is. |
Yes indeed, equally as ridiculous as a Northern Labour M.E.P posing alongside Michael Heseltine whom was the one that announced the destruction of U.K coal mines. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:08 - Sep 7 with 1207 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:06 - Sep 7 by Wingstandwood |
Yes indeed, equally as ridiculous as a Northern Labour M.E.P posing alongside Michael Heseltine whom was the one that announced the destruction of U.K coal mines. |
Heseltine is a socialist compared to this lot. | | | |
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