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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 11:09 - Aug 11 by Brynmill_Jack
And it's usually both of you bumping it because neither of you can bear not to have the last word. That is so cringeworthy , I cannot believe you are both grown men.
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 10:59 - Aug 11 by costalotta
Nivvy esk? Ok, if you say so.
A few things...
1. I've not discussed any concepts with you whether simple or complicated. However, Judging by your posts you would struggle with either as you clearly cannot think outside of the box and seem to just repeat the same old same old. Go on holiday, calm down, loose the ego and come back stronger.
2. You are right you're not entertaining and you do bore the socks off me, quite probably many others too. People very rarely see problems with their self. Especially those with inflated egos. I'll just leave that one there For you to ponder. I don't think you are dimi as he was actually sometimes entertaining. You've never been. Maybe, you are though, and perhaps your slippin'
3. I don't care about your silly argument with nirvana, it's boring and well past it's sell by date.
4. It started as an interesting thread you however have turned it into a borefest.
1. There is no need for thinking outside the box. I laid it bare for you. He talks to or about me - i will reply, that goes for anyone including you.
2. Great stuff. That makes us both non entertaining posters then, as making silly lists of rubbish certainly doesnt come under rivetting I assure you. Jesus call me Dimi all you like, I couldnt give a monkeys. Call me Sumbler too, i dont understand what difference it makes.
3. Then why are you talking about it?
4. It was an interesting thread yes, i didnt destroy it however. I just replied to abusive posts.
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 11:09 - Aug 11 by Brynmill_Jack
And it's usually both of you bumping it because neither of you can bear not to have the last word. That is so cringeworthy , I cannot believe you are both grown men.
Nothing to do with having the last word it is the nature of conversation. Post and reply. Due to the fact he is first to post, I will reply. I have outlined this many times. This goes for you too, you post to me - I reply. Conversation. Bump and then complain its rumbling on, its moronic. If you dont like it dont click on the thread, your whining and accusations to several posters has been particularly clear over the last few weeks.
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 11:48 - Aug 11 by E20Jack
And that is as paranoid as it gets. But you can't educate pork.
There's nothing to be paranoid about. He has accused you of being Dimi, people have accused him of being Davillin. I don't care who either of you are, I just wish you'd both draw a line under this childish argument.
Was simply pointing out that if either/both of you are well known posters pretending to be someone else, it's even more embarrassing.
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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 11:59 - Aug 11 with 1913 views
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 11:45 - Aug 11 by E20Jack
1. There is no need for thinking outside the box. I laid it bare for you. He talks to or about me - i will reply, that goes for anyone including you.
2. Great stuff. That makes us both non entertaining posters then, as making silly lists of rubbish certainly doesnt come under rivetting I assure you. Jesus call me Dimi all you like, I couldnt give a monkeys. Call me Sumbler too, i dont understand what difference it makes.
3. Then why are you talking about it?
4. It was an interesting thread yes, i didnt destroy it however. I just replied to abusive posts.
Remember what we said about simple concepts?
There you go. E20 should be 'EGO'?
Not that you are likely to take it on board...
The quieter you become the more you are able to hear
Now, go on holiday, get some rest, sort your misplaced ego out and come back full of life with something useful and interesting to add.
You won't though as your as predicable snow on the South Pole.
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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:00 - Aug 11 with 1909 views
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 11:53 - Aug 11 by jack247
There's nothing to be paranoid about. He has accused you of being Dimi, people have accused him of being Davillin. I don't care who either of you are, I just wish you'd both draw a line under this childish argument.
Was simply pointing out that if either/both of you are well known posters pretending to be someone else, it's even more embarrassing.
More have "accused" him of being Dimi than Dav. I have been "accused" of being a multitude of posters. I say accused with my tongue firmly in my cheek by the way, its a football forum ffs. i know who I am, I have proved it to Lisa who I felt was a trustworthy member of the forum and am known by a few on here. If you believe any different then in my opinion that is paranoid. But you of course have the right to disagree.
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:00 - Aug 11 by E20Jack
More have "accused" him of being Dimi than Dav. I have been "accused" of being a multitude of posters. I say accused with my tongue firmly in my cheek by the way, its a football forum ffs. i know who I am, I have proved it to Lisa who I felt was a trustworthy member of the forum and am known by a few on here. If you believe any different then in my opinion that is paranoid. But you of course have the right to disagree.
Great. Let's get back to talking about football ffs then.
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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:02 - Aug 11 with 1901 views
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 11:59 - Aug 11 by costalotta
There you go. E20 should be 'EGO'?
Not that you are likely to take it on board...
The quieter you become the more you are able to hear
Now, go on holiday, get some rest, sort your misplaced ego out and come back full of life with something useful and interesting to add.
You won't though as your as predicable snow on the South Pole.
No ego, just don't put up with nonsense, including yours.
The irony of your post is staggering, have you read your contributions here? How are they in any way informative or interesting other than trying to provoke a response in a thread you have complained about rumbling on. Thats bordering on trolling isn't it?
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:02 - Aug 11 by jack247
Great. Let's get back to talking about football ffs then.
Happily, but we both know that can't happen as there are far too many interested in petty comments, and that doesn't just cover the main posters under discussion here. This morning has been full of them, bumped specifically to type them. Bizarre.
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:00 - Aug 11 by E20Jack
More have "accused" him of being Dimi than Dav. I have been "accused" of being a multitude of posters. I say accused with my tongue firmly in my cheek by the way, its a football forum ffs. i know who I am, I have proved it to Lisa who I felt was a trustworthy member of the forum and am known by a few on here. If you believe any different then in my opinion that is paranoid. But you of course have the right to disagree.
Why on earth does my name keep getting mentioned on this ridiculous willy-waving thread.
I don't give a crap who anyone is.
I didn't ask for anyone to 'prove' to me who they are.
For what it's worth, E20Jack is not Dimi. He's what he says he is. I didn't care before I knew and I don't care now.
I have no idea and even less interest in who Nirvana is. It's a wind up account that's for sure.
Now for the love of God can the incessant childish bickering stop, or if it doesn't, can you please stop mentioning me.
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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:09 - Aug 11 with 1869 views
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:05 - Aug 11 by E20Jack
Happily, but we both know that can't happen as there are far too many interested in petty comments, and that doesn't just cover the main posters under discussion here. This morning has been full of them, bumped specifically to type them. Bizarre.
Yes that's a fair point. There are always going to be niggles and discussions are going to go off track, but this thread in particular is a complete bitchfest and it's creeping into others.
I think this morning, people finally had enough of the Nirvana and E20 show. Most of the people moaning this morning don't usually engage in petty point scoring.
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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:13 - Aug 11 with 1850 views
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:07 - Aug 11 by londonlisa2001
Why on earth does my name keep getting mentioned on this ridiculous willy-waving thread.
I don't give a crap who anyone is.
I didn't ask for anyone to 'prove' to me who they are.
For what it's worth, E20Jack is not Dimi. He's what he says he is. I didn't care before I knew and I don't care now.
I have no idea and even less interest in who Nirvana is. It's a wind up account that's for sure.
Now for the love of God can the incessant childish bickering stop, or if it doesn't, can you please stop mentioning me.
Again that would fall with Nivvy. He said something along the lines of you mocked me regarding my profession and didnt believe me or something along those lines. Clearly got his wires crossed. You are a well respected member of the forum and come across as trustworthy. Without spreading all my personal details all over the web I thought it would be a good idea to kill two birds with one stone. This dimi nonsense can stop which in turn of course causes more arguments, apologies that you keep getting brought up. Although the fact your opinion is in line with mine regarding signings of this value didnt help as you were asking him the same probing questions.
Id like to think it wont go on for much longer but the more people add to this thread the more chance of arguments flaring from it. But I appreciate you putting this nonsense to bed.
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:02 - Aug 11 by E20Jack
No ego, just don't put up with nonsense, including yours.
The irony of your post is staggering, have you read your contributions here? How are they in any way informative or interesting other than trying to provoke a response in a thread you have complained about rumbling on. Thats bordering on trolling isn't it?
Whatever you say.
I'm back to the pool for now... you carry on risk analysing or boring people. I'll catch up later unless I take the Astondoa out for a bit.
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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:17 - Aug 11 with 1814 views
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:13 - Aug 11 by E20Jack
Again that would fall with Nivvy. He said something along the lines of you mocked me regarding my profession and didnt believe me or something along those lines. Clearly got his wires crossed. You are a well respected member of the forum and come across as trustworthy. Without spreading all my personal details all over the web I thought it would be a good idea to kill two birds with one stone. This dimi nonsense can stop which in turn of course causes more arguments, apologies that you keep getting brought up. Although the fact your opinion is in line with mine regarding signings of this value didnt help as you were asking him the same probing questions.
Id like to think it wont go on for much longer but the more people add to this thread the more chance of arguments flaring from it. But I appreciate you putting this nonsense to bed.
Both of you are as bad as each other. Stop mentioning him and he'll have nothing to carry on with.
As an aside, i don't agree with you on the money involved, as I said on page 2 of this interminable thread. I said:
"I have zero idea whether this bloke is any good or not.
You'd have to look at the deal in the round as effectively a swap deal for Gylfi. We'd be swapping an attacking midfield player for another of the same age and £20m. Plus the wages saved over the next three years, or bringing someone in on, say £40k a week and losing one on £70k a week which is the best part of £5m saved on top of the £20m.
It's the 'extra' £20m that we can then play with on younger players who may earn us a substantial profit (it's gambling our winnings if you like after getting our original stake back).
As I said I have no idea whether this person could be a good replacement for Siggy"
I've also said later in the thread that I very much doubt that we will pay €30m for anyone, so it's a bit besides the point. I have also said that if we did want to pay it, then the player seems to have a release clause in which case Las Palmas could do nothing to stop us, whether they want to or not.
So as it happens, I am really not agreeing with either of you.
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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:48 - Aug 11 with 1733 views
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 12:31 - Aug 11 by londonlisa2001
Both of you are as bad as each other. Stop mentioning him and he'll have nothing to carry on with.
As an aside, i don't agree with you on the money involved, as I said on page 2 of this interminable thread. I said:
"I have zero idea whether this bloke is any good or not.
You'd have to look at the deal in the round as effectively a swap deal for Gylfi. We'd be swapping an attacking midfield player for another of the same age and £20m. Plus the wages saved over the next three years, or bringing someone in on, say £40k a week and losing one on £70k a week which is the best part of £5m saved on top of the £20m.
It's the 'extra' £20m that we can then play with on younger players who may earn us a substantial profit (it's gambling our winnings if you like after getting our original stake back).
As I said I have no idea whether this person could be a good replacement for Siggy"
I've also said later in the thread that I very much doubt that we will pay €30m for anyone, so it's a bit besides the point. I have also said that if we did want to pay it, then the player seems to have a release clause in which case Las Palmas could do nothing to stop us, whether they want to or not.
So as it happens, I am really not agreeing with either of you.
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I think you are underestimating how mirrored our views are. Understandably maybe not to polarise a certain party and risk flaring the debate again.
But the part that I was referring to was that we (Swansea) clearly do not feel Viera is worth 30m euros or we would have triggered the deal and forced through the Siggy deal and Las Palmas do not have a say. You echoed this and that was the incident which was later spoken about here.
You also echoed my opinion on a seperate thread regarding the method to grow as a club through selling at peak and reinvesting. This is essentially my point in a nutshell in all facets. The only thing we seem to disagree on is the balance of those amounts in saleable assets.
So regarding only investing "some" of the money on saleable assets, I agree. Although there is no way we should be spending the majority of this one time windfall on players such as this (Viera), the balance is the wrong way around. It shouldn't make a difference how much we are getting the premise should not change - until we increase revenues off field.
We need this money to be recyclable for seasons upon seasons. So the majority needs to be invested in players where the balance of probability suggests the value will increase. As you say, finance is a massive part of the game which is another foundation of my overall opinion.
We need to be investing in younger quality where they will be at peak value when it comes to selling (similar to age we bought and sold siggy), not on the decline where we are looking to recoup some of what we paid. As generally replacing a position with less fees than had at the time you acquired the initial player suggests eventually you will lose quality with each transaction.
So on the whole, we very much agree. Nice to see this get back to some actual Swansea discussion though. Wonder how long it will last.
If we sign Viera it will represent a swap for Siggi, but I can't see that we'll have £20m left over for other players. We don't know how the Siggi fee will be paid but any add-ons won't be guaranteed. By the time agents' fees, signing on fee, and Spurs' cut (if it exists) are factored in it won't be nearly as much as that. Interesting to see what we do spend additionally if we get Viera.
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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 13:17 - Aug 11 with 1674 views
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 13:12 - Aug 11 by AnotherJohn
If we sign Viera it will represent a swap for Siggi, but I can't see that we'll have £20m left over for other players. We don't know how the Siggi fee will be paid but any add-ons won't be guaranteed. By the time agents' fees, signing on fee, and Spurs' cut (if it exists) are factored in it won't be nearly as much as that. Interesting to see what we do spend additionally if we get Viera.
We won't.
I posted that when it was thought that Viera would cost less than his release clause.
I don't think we'll pay his release clause, but we may have paid £20m which was the estimate (ish) at the time.
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Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 17:27 - Aug 11 with 1543 views
Viera - Las Palmas - 25mill Euro bid on 11:47 - Aug 11 by E20Jack
Nothing to do with having the last word it is the nature of conversation. Post and reply. Due to the fact he is first to post, I will reply. I have outlined this many times. This goes for you too, you post to me - I reply. Conversation. Bump and then complain its rumbling on, its moronic. If you dont like it dont click on the thread, your whining and accusations to several posters has been particularly clear over the last few weeks.
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Yeah yeah. I bet you try to have the last word with me, just like you do with everybody else
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
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