| B teams 15:37 - May 8 with 9846 views | macro |
From 2016/17 it seems
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| B teams on 13:52 - May 9 with 2210 views | olympicdale |
| B teams on 22:33 - May 8 by stuartcryer |
should the fa just reduce the number of over seas player each club has, or will that effect their income i think bigger pic needs looking at and see what English football is all about
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The thing with that is how can you force teams to play young british players before they're ready, you cant do it, and managers wont do it. Do you fancy going up to Mourinho and saying, sorry Jose you cant play Hazard, you have to play this 19 yr old ' cause we need him to get practice.
The same with foreign players playing abroad, english players don't want to play abroad, they're scared, they don't want to take the chance, Dale Jennings ran away from Bayern pretty quick, fair play to Gareth Bale for taking a chance. |  |
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| B teams on 14:22 - May 9 with 2159 views | Morden |
| B teams on 13:22 - May 9 by pioneer |
The words 'dark' and 'satanic' come to mind when Mills open his gob.
When was the last time he paid to watch a football league game ?(the same sniff test could be used for the other folks on the Dyke's committee). |
Or even 'Black' and 'Dyke' |  | | |
| B teams on 15:10 - May 9 with 2081 views | raadale |
It's madness. Just one example no away fans will go to games because, for example, on the day man u B are away to nuneaton Man U will be at home to city or liverpool or arsenal.. so as a utd fan which are you going to go to Man U V's Liverpool or Nuneaton V's Man U B thus nuneaton get 0 away fans crippling their income.. |  | | |
| B teams on 15:17 - May 9 with 2061 views | olympicdale |
| B teams on 15:10 - May 9 by raadale |
It's madness. Just one example no away fans will go to games because, for example, on the day man u B are away to nuneaton Man U will be at home to city or liverpool or arsenal.. so as a utd fan which are you going to go to Man U V's Liverpool or Nuneaton V's Man U B thus nuneaton get 0 away fans crippling their income.. |
I don't think Dyke has thought any of this through, it just seems to me that the premierleague is wanting to take over the football league. It summed it up for me when I learned that they hadn't even consulted the conference premier about this proposal, also, it is going to be tough for any conference side to get into the "real" football league, when up against premierleague youngsters. | |
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| B teams on 15:28 - May 9 with 2039 views | wimborne_dale |
Also doesn't the loan system sort this out at least in part. Those who would play for Arsenal B go out on loan to the lower leagues so why the need for a Division 3? Sorry if this has already been covered but I haven't read all the posts.
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| B teams on 15:31 - May 9 with 2038 views | raadale |
| B teams on 15:17 - May 9 by olympicdale |
I don't think Dyke has thought any of this through, it just seems to me that the premierleague is wanting to take over the football league. It summed it up for me when I learned that they hadn't even consulted the conference premier about this proposal, also, it is going to be tough for any conference side to get into the "real" football league, when up against premierleague youngsters. |
The worrying thing is i think they know exactly what they're doing. There will probably be a substantial fund (bribe) for the league clubs to rubber stamp it. They only care about the premiership and the rest of us can go to hell.. The more i hear of this the madder i get. I really hope the lower league clubs don't fall for the bribe and fight back. | | | |
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| B teams on 17:33 - May 9 with 1933 views | mikehunt |
The Football League should tell the Premiership to eff off. And start charging them a hefty whack for their teams to get relegated into the League otherwise they can go and form their own little B division and go play with themselves (intentional). Two can play the money grabbing game and it's time the FL stood up for itself.
Re the international team aspect well how about re-introducing the four foreigners rule? And that would stop money leaching out of the country on foreign players. Decent transfer money would start to trickle down the leagues again.
As we all know though, the greedy bar stewards at the top want all money for themselves and sod the grass roots.
As others have said. If this B team sh1te goes through I will stop watching footy.
BRING BACK THE CENTRAL LEAGUE! |  |
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| B teams on 18:36 - May 9 with 1885 views | olympicdale |
Another thing on this, how exactly is it going to create england superstars, with them playing at l2/conference level, they arent going to get better there, they need to be playing at the top level in the premierleague, and playing regularly in europe, playing against Hayes & Yeading isnt going to turn them into superstars.
The top 4 clubs in England have a combined 23% of english players, a staggering statistic. Now I don't know the official figures for the top 3/4 clubs in Germany and Spain, but the percentage of german an spanish players in the top 3 must be around 50/60%. Young players such as Draxler, Reus, Goetze are the future for germany, and they are playing at the highest level, and yet here we have players like Craig Dawson and Wilfrid Zaha, good talented english players, no where near at the level they need to be at to improve their game.
Everyone knows the problem that needs to be resolved, there needs to be a limit on foreign players playing in the premierleague, but no one will have the balls to address the real problem. | |
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| B teams on 18:50 - May 9 with 1872 views | pioneer |
| B teams on 13:36 - May 9 by raadale |
Think that post sums up the whole situation perfectly..... |
and where does the extra money go . . . .I wonder. |  | | |
| B teams on 19:00 - May 9 with 1865 views | ColDale |
The other side of this, and I know this has been suggested by a couple of people, is that teams at this level will not be able to match the opposition for technical ability. The best way of playing against these young starlets will be to kick them off the pitch. The games will be competitive but its a results driven business and it could even reach the stage where teams are refusing to play these young lads to protect them, which will defeat the whole object.
How else are the likes of Guy Branston and Drewe Broughton going to succeed against 18 year old Jack Wilsheres? |  | | |
| B teams on 20:10 - May 9 with 1792 views | 49thseason |
Dyke has this all wrong, the problem with British footballers starts at primary school level where there is very little PE expertise, a disregard for competitive sport (because someone has to lose) and generally poor and often unused facilities.
The kids that get to play sport do so generally because their parents see its value but many parents suffer for CBA syndrome and simply wont take their kids to saturday morning matches at clubs and can't or will not get involved in helping out a clubs because it detracts from their vital TV or internet time.
At secondary school, those who have no sporting history are generally not prepared to get involved, especially girls who rarely start sport post 11 if they have not already done so.
Secondary schools facilities are slowly improving but too few have artifical surfaces and of course the FA refuses to allow the use of artificial surfaces for many levels of amateur football.
The consequence of this is that we have some (but too few) brilliant amateur clubs who defy the odds by making-do with poor surfaces, no income, transitory help and too few qualified coaches. UK footballers (and many other athletes in other sports) are therefore technically unable to equal the skill levels of other countries.
When you scale this up it means that the quality of ALL UK football is technically poorer that that of other major football nations where facilities, coaching and participation is taken VERY SERIOUSLY.
If Dyke is serious, we urgently need a building programme to put at least one artificial surface in every secondary school and a minimum of 10 others in every town. School sport needs massive investment so that every primary has a sports teacher, an all weather surface and MUGA space. Club sport should be supported by grants based on the numbers of children participating and not be dependent on an occasional lottery handout. Parents should get tax relief on sports club subscriptions. And as a country we need to set about getting 10s of 1000s of qualified coaches into our amateur sport. No teacher should be able to qualify without at least a level 2 sports qualification.
Believe it or not, the last labour government was prepared to spend £45 Billion rebuilding schools but that sum contained NOTHING for outdoor sports facilities such as artificial surfaces.
Fiddling about with the current cream of the crop of 18-21 year old footballers is just froth, when we raise the quality and participation in sport across the board in a professional manner we will soon find that the number of elite athletes soars but until Government , the FA, the FL and all the other national bodies get their act sorted nothing material will change .
It is a fact that sporting participation aides academic performance, they are entirely complementary as any independent school teacher will tell you. Spending money on sport is one of the surest ways of enhancing educational standards and promoting many of the skills that will serve young people in good stead when they enter the workforce, but politicians seem unable or unwilling to grasp the nettle.
Its high time we got rid of the "enthusiastic amateur" element from our national sporting psyche and became the professional, organised, well funded sort of operation you see in every village Germany, Australia and most other countries we seem unable to compete with successfully. If Dyke had come up with a plan to force Premiership clubs to finance grass roots sport to the tune of £500m a year maybe he would have a fight worth the effort but "B" teams is just a back-of-an-envelope job and should be immediately dismissed as such. |  | | |
| B teams on 13:39 - May 10 with 1638 views | olympicdale |
| B teams on 20:10 - May 9 by 49thseason |
Dyke has this all wrong, the problem with British footballers starts at primary school level where there is very little PE expertise, a disregard for competitive sport (because someone has to lose) and generally poor and often unused facilities.
The kids that get to play sport do so generally because their parents see its value but many parents suffer for CBA syndrome and simply wont take their kids to saturday morning matches at clubs and can't or will not get involved in helping out a clubs because it detracts from their vital TV or internet time.
At secondary school, those who have no sporting history are generally not prepared to get involved, especially girls who rarely start sport post 11 if they have not already done so.
Secondary schools facilities are slowly improving but too few have artifical surfaces and of course the FA refuses to allow the use of artificial surfaces for many levels of amateur football.
The consequence of this is that we have some (but too few) brilliant amateur clubs who defy the odds by making-do with poor surfaces, no income, transitory help and too few qualified coaches. UK footballers (and many other athletes in other sports) are therefore technically unable to equal the skill levels of other countries.
When you scale this up it means that the quality of ALL UK football is technically poorer that that of other major football nations where facilities, coaching and participation is taken VERY SERIOUSLY.
If Dyke is serious, we urgently need a building programme to put at least one artificial surface in every secondary school and a minimum of 10 others in every town. School sport needs massive investment so that every primary has a sports teacher, an all weather surface and MUGA space. Club sport should be supported by grants based on the numbers of children participating and not be dependent on an occasional lottery handout. Parents should get tax relief on sports club subscriptions. And as a country we need to set about getting 10s of 1000s of qualified coaches into our amateur sport. No teacher should be able to qualify without at least a level 2 sports qualification.
Believe it or not, the last labour government was prepared to spend £45 Billion rebuilding schools but that sum contained NOTHING for outdoor sports facilities such as artificial surfaces.
Fiddling about with the current cream of the crop of 18-21 year old footballers is just froth, when we raise the quality and participation in sport across the board in a professional manner we will soon find that the number of elite athletes soars but until Government , the FA, the FL and all the other national bodies get their act sorted nothing material will change .
It is a fact that sporting participation aides academic performance, they are entirely complementary as any independent school teacher will tell you. Spending money on sport is one of the surest ways of enhancing educational standards and promoting many of the skills that will serve young people in good stead when they enter the workforce, but politicians seem unable or unwilling to grasp the nettle.
Its high time we got rid of the "enthusiastic amateur" element from our national sporting psyche and became the professional, organised, well funded sort of operation you see in every village Germany, Australia and most other countries we seem unable to compete with successfully. If Dyke had come up with a plan to force Premiership clubs to finance grass roots sport to the tune of £500m a year maybe he would have a fight worth the effort but "B" teams is just a back-of-an-envelope job and should be immediately dismissed as such. |
agree, our current crop of 21 year olds are already years behind the equivalent youngsters across europe, its almost too late for these to get to the standard required, this needs to be coached at ages around 13/14, possibly younger. Other countries across europe actually put investment into sports, and follow it through, here we want the best but we aren't willing to put in the time or the money to make it happen | |
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| B teams on 13:42 - May 10 with 1634 views | olympicdale |
| B teams on 15:31 - May 9 by raadale |
The worrying thing is i think they know exactly what they're doing. There will probably be a substantial fund (bribe) for the league clubs to rubber stamp it. They only care about the premiership and the rest of us can go to hell.. The more i hear of this the madder i get. I really hope the lower league clubs don't fall for the bribe and fight back. |
Oh they know exactly what theyre doing, and they dont care, the premierleague doesnt give a shite about the FL, they'd be happy to see them all go to the wall and have premierleague 1,2 an 3. The football league needs to stand up for the integrity of its members and its history. | |
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| B teams on 14:11 - May 10 with 1606 views | RotherhamDale |
To be fair, the Premier league boss has said that the idea isn't a very good one. |  |
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| B teams on 15:22 - May 10 with 1541 views | KenBoon |
| B teams on 13:39 - May 10 by olympicdale |
agree, our current crop of 21 year olds are already years behind the equivalent youngsters across europe, its almost too late for these to get to the standard required, this needs to be coached at ages around 13/14, possibly younger. Other countries across europe actually put investment into sports, and follow it through, here we want the best but we aren't willing to put in the time or the money to make it happen |
Not really considering we always make the ACTUAL U-21s championship finals, before the clubs either stop their best players going to the finals (you see it's better they rest!) or we take players to meaningless friendlies in Brazil as opposed to a competitive International tournament. Things aren't as good as they should be, but we aren't Scotland. |  | | |
| B teams on 16:47 - May 10 with 1489 views | olympicdale |
| B teams on 15:22 - May 10 by KenBoon |
Not really considering we always make the ACTUAL U-21s championship finals, before the clubs either stop their best players going to the finals (you see it's better they rest!) or we take players to meaningless friendlies in Brazil as opposed to a competitive International tournament. Things aren't as good as they should be, but we aren't Scotland. |
There needs to be more players moving up from the U-21's to the senior squad though, many of them aren't good enough for the step up, compare in terms of ability u21 teams like spain an germany, the players that have come through or are coming through the youth, they're streets ahead, it is the reward for years of dedicated hard work off and on the pitch. | |
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| B teams on 17:39 - May 10 with 1448 views | macro |
To go through needs 66.7% voting for it - from fl. would be like turkey's voting for Christmas | | | |
| B teams on 17:59 - May 10 with 1436 views | KenBoon |
| B teams on 16:47 - May 10 by olympicdale |
There needs to be more players moving up from the U-21's to the senior squad though, many of them aren't good enough for the step up, compare in terms of ability u21 teams like spain an germany, the players that have come through or are coming through the youth, they're streets ahead, it is the reward for years of dedicated hard work off and on the pitch. |
Because they jump the U21s?
A lot of fans see (or saw) youth and Under-21s as a waste of time. Its visionaries like Tazzy who realise there's actual competition, it's vital and worth supporting.
There's a few rare cases like Rooney who fall into the "if you're good enough, you're old enough" category and should jump it, but far too many others get super-mounted onto the Seniors because they've had a few good games. That lad who scored for Manc United this week, I bet there's idiots somewhere saying Hodgeson should take him to Brazil to give him experience because he is the future! | | | |
| B teams on 18:53 - May 10 with 1392 views | olympicdale |
| B teams on 17:59 - May 10 by KenBoon |
Because they jump the U21s?
A lot of fans see (or saw) youth and Under-21s as a waste of time. Its visionaries like Tazzy who realise there's actual competition, it's vital and worth supporting.
There's a few rare cases like Rooney who fall into the "if you're good enough, you're old enough" category and should jump it, but far too many others get super-mounted onto the Seniors because they've had a few good games. That lad who scored for Manc United this week, I bet there's idiots somewhere saying Hodgeson should take him to Brazil to give him experience because he is the future! |
If he scored again tomorrow he'll be the next messi, just like Giggs was the new guardiola after the budgies win.. | |
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| B teams on 18:55 - May 10 with 1385 views | D_Alien |
| B teams on 18:53 - May 10 by olympicdale |
If he scored again tomorrow he'll be the next messi, just like Giggs was the new guardiola after the budgies win.. |
Oddly enough, I thought he had a hint of Denis Law about him... |  |
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| B teams on 20:54 - May 10 with 1332 views | pioneer |
| B teams on 14:11 - May 10 by RotherhamDale |
To be fair, the Premier league boss has said that the idea isn't a very good one. |
And the football league sometimes don't do themselves any favours PR wise. According to the BBC Dyke is not attending the Premier League annual meeting at harrogate because on that date he will be at the Football league annual meeting in . . . Portugal!
No doubt they will be discussing the financial challenges of football league teams. I hope they have a good time. | | | |
| B teams on 17:24 - May 11 with 1230 views | D_Dale |
The Daily Wail turns over Richard Scudamore today - as the boss of the Premier League he'd presumably be involved with any changes - but, having had a sheltered life, I'm puzzled as to what's meant by 'g***'. Anyone?
"The boss of the Premier League was involved in a series of sexist email conversations in which women were referred to as 'g***' and 'female irrationality' was mocked, it was revealed today. Richard ÂScudamore, who likes to be seen as a champion of equality within the game, exchanged the crude messages with senior colleagues." | | | |
| B teams on 12:30 - May 12 with 1122 views | ParkinsGimp |
| B teams on 11:05 - May 9 by D_Alien |
Unfortunately, he does know a fair amount about life outside the premiership - since his time as Chairman of Brentford.
This IMO makes his suggestions even more dangerous, since holding that position might lead many people to think he actually knows what he's talking about regarding restructuring. To counter these proposals will need more than abuse, or blanket dismissal. It'll need a very carefully thought through and determined campaign, which looks like it's already starting.
I can honestly see a breakaway occuring to get the football league out from under the auspices of the FA, in a similar way to how the Rugby League broke away from the Union many moons ago.
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Very true, Dyke is a dangerous guy he has been at Brentford long enough to know the struggles and problems at that level. So he shows no empathy or sympathy for lower leagues now. That is worrying.
As for Danny Mills , always was a t"ss"r I beleive the Peckham Pimp (Rio Ferd) is also on the panel, now what he knows about lower leagues or most things in general you could write on the back of a postage stamp a complete moron...unless of course he asked "little man" | | | |
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