| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:15 - Jan 10 with 679 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:02 - Jan 10 by onehunglow |
I am the way,the truth and the life
Yeah baby |
Jesus might have knocked about with a load of prostitutes and his blood was 12.5% proof but at least he didn’t marry a six year old and rape her when she was nine. |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:45 - Jan 10 with 634 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:26 - Jan 10 by onehunglow |
So why is it that religious pillars of piety and standing in the community seem so prone to pederasty
The COf E is infested with them,Catholic church has proven horrific history and Islam…a religious that advocates hatred for those who don’t follow .
It’s indefensible
All adherents quote from whichever scripture suits their narrative
They are filth and should be seen as such
Biggest question is why we’d unit out these away for their whole lives . They ruin the lives of the young .
No excuses |
The entire system of religion is designed to exploit people. In all sorts of ways. |  | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:48 - Jan 10 with 632 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:15 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
She didn't she voted for the Childrens Wellbeing bill.
The others voted against a childrens wellbeing bill just to appease populist and misrepresented headlines and a megalomaniac, narcissitic billionaire.
There is definitiely one group of politicians who should be ashamed. |
You seemed to have the missed the fact that the outcry is the loudest from the citizens of this country , what is being misrepresented ? and are you saying that Pakistani men are not raping within gangs and those headlines are incorrect. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:51 - Jan 10 with 630 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:15 - Jan 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Jesus might have knocked about with a load of prostitutes and his blood was 12.5% proof but at least he didn’t marry a six year old and rape her when she was nine. |
You’re going to burning hell
See you there
That s me in the corner | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:03 - Jan 10 with 624 views | AnotherJohn |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:09 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
Surely the true and most important issues are the number of victims and the likelihood of there being further victims?
The fact remains that grooming gangs are / were localised with relatively small numbers of victims and there has already been several inquiries.
It is worth noting that the Bristol grooming gang with a very similar MO is rarely lumped in with the others.
I don't think either Burnham or Harman have called anyone a rape apologist. [Post edited 10 Jan 11:13]
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But Burnham and Harman are putting forward arguments that directly contradict your's. They give reasons why a focused inquiry might have value. Are they closet racists too? You cannot dismiss those arguments by suggesting they are owned by Musk. Associating a reasonable argument with a person of extreme views is a transparent rhetorical device that won't wash. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:18 - Jan 10 with 620 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:03 - Jan 10 by AnotherJohn |
But Burnham and Harman are putting forward arguments that directly contradict your's. They give reasons why a focused inquiry might have value. Are they closet racists too? You cannot dismiss those arguments by suggesting they are owned by Musk. Associating a reasonable argument with a person of extreme views is a transparent rhetorical device that won't wash. |
No they're not. The Tories and Musk are calling for a full national enquiry. Harman and Burnham have called for a "mini" and "limited" inquiry respectively.
A full national inquiry will not get useful results for what is a localised issue.
I maintain it's nothning whatsoever to do with Musk - his ramblings are just rable rousing racist dog whistling. Especially when he owns one of the biggest forms of abuse and exploitation the world has ever seen. He's obviously not interested in the safety of children. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:08 - Jan 10 with 602 views | AnotherJohn |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:18 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
No they're not. The Tories and Musk are calling for a full national enquiry. Harman and Burnham have called for a "mini" and "limited" inquiry respectively.
A full national inquiry will not get useful results for what is a localised issue.
I maintain it's nothning whatsoever to do with Musk - his ramblings are just rable rousing racist dog whistling. Especially when he owns one of the biggest forms of abuse and exploitation the world has ever seen. He's obviously not interested in the safety of children. |
My word was "focused", which has similar meaning to what Andy Burnham meant by "limited", and meaning that the local inquiries need to be brought together to get a national perspective and there must be accountability. Burnham said that "there is the case for a limited national inquiry that draws on reviews like the one that I commissioned, and the one we have seen in Rotherham, the one we have seen in Telford, to draw out some of these national issues and compel people to give evidence who then may have charges to answer and be held to account.”
If the position of Burnham and Harman does not contradict your position, then I assume you are right on board with the above and also what Harman said: "people need to be trained and confident in their roles that they can take on issues which are in particular communities and that does not mean they are racist. (...) 'In police, Crown Prosecution Service, but above all in councils where people can feel 'we know we're doing the right thing here. (...)_I think that whether it's a task force, whether it's more action plans, whether it's a a mini inquiry on this, this is something that we need to develop resilience in". | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:17 - Jan 10 with 587 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:08 - Jan 10 by AnotherJohn |
My word was "focused", which has similar meaning to what Andy Burnham meant by "limited", and meaning that the local inquiries need to be brought together to get a national perspective and there must be accountability. Burnham said that "there is the case for a limited national inquiry that draws on reviews like the one that I commissioned, and the one we have seen in Rotherham, the one we have seen in Telford, to draw out some of these national issues and compel people to give evidence who then may have charges to answer and be held to account.”
If the position of Burnham and Harman does not contradict your position, then I assume you are right on board with the above and also what Harman said: "people need to be trained and confident in their roles that they can take on issues which are in particular communities and that does not mean they are racist. (...) 'In police, Crown Prosecution Service, but above all in councils where people can feel 'we know we're doing the right thing here. (...)_I think that whether it's a task force, whether it's more action plans, whether it's a a mini inquiry on this, this is something that we need to develop resilience in". |
The request was for a home office led national inquiry. Not a "focused", "mini" or "limited" inquiry.
I am on board with that. But that isn't what this furore is about. Perhaps it could be led by Greater Manchest as that largely fits with the geography.
Jess Phillips has been called a rape apologist and the tories voted against a child wellbeing parlimentary act. The latter purely to appease the populist vote. All for something that clearly isn't needed and won't get the best results. | | | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:28 - Jan 10 with 568 views | AnotherJohn |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:17 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
The request was for a home office led national inquiry. Not a "focused", "mini" or "limited" inquiry.
I am on board with that. But that isn't what this furore is about. Perhaps it could be led by Greater Manchest as that largely fits with the geography.
Jess Phillips has been called a rape apologist and the tories voted against a child wellbeing parlimentary act. The latter purely to appease the populist vote. All for something that clearly isn't needed and won't get the best results. |
That was the original Oldham Council request. A national inquiry could take various forms, including a limited inquiry led either by the Home Office. or an independent overseer Many arguing for a national inquiry emphasise that it would not duplicate the ground already covered. Most arguing against a national inquiry say flatly that the issues are local ones and only additional local inquiries are appropriate. It is good to hear that you would be happy with a limited national inquiry. I had misunderstood and thought your argument was a different one.  | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:55 - Jan 10 with 552 views | controversial_jack |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:28 - Jan 10 by AnotherJohn |
That was the original Oldham Council request. A national inquiry could take various forms, including a limited inquiry led either by the Home Office. or an independent overseer Many arguing for a national inquiry emphasise that it would not duplicate the ground already covered. Most arguing against a national inquiry say flatly that the issues are local ones and only additional local inquiries are appropriate. It is good to hear that you would be happy with a limited national inquiry. I had misunderstood and thought your argument was a different one. |
There was an extensive inquiry into the Rotherham case in 1997 and it took 5 years. Do we really need one on every case in every town or city? | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:56 - Jan 10 with 552 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:51 - Jan 10 by onehunglow |
You’re going to burning hell
See you there
That s me in the corner |
Good. I imagine that’s where all the interesting people go anyway. Imagine spending eternity on a cloud with Mother Theresa. Much rather spend it with all the sinners and fornicators and the lashing and the whips. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 15:18 - Jan 10 with 539 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:56 - Jan 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Good. I imagine that’s where all the interesting people go anyway. Imagine spending eternity on a cloud with Mother Theresa. Much rather spend it with all the sinners and fornicators and the lashing and the whips. |
Eternal Damnation - it's not just a late night. |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:30 - Jan 10 with 481 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:56 - Jan 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Good. I imagine that’s where all the interesting people go anyway. Imagine spending eternity on a cloud with Mother Theresa. Much rather spend it with all the sinners and fornicators and the lashing and the whips. |
She was strict Catholic mun | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:41 - Jan 11 with 354 views | Dr_Winston |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:18 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
No they're not. The Tories and Musk are calling for a full national enquiry. Harman and Burnham have called for a "mini" and "limited" inquiry respectively.
A full national inquiry will not get useful results for what is a localised issue.
I maintain it's nothning whatsoever to do with Musk - his ramblings are just rable rousing racist dog whistling. Especially when he owns one of the biggest forms of abuse and exploitation the world has ever seen. He's obviously not interested in the safety of children. |
Even Jess Phillips isn't pretending that it's a "localised issue".
https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gangs-are-in-every-single-part-of-our-countr
The unwilingness or inability of legal and local authorities to deal with what is clearly a major national issue is certainly grounds for a national inquiry into what has led us to this situation. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:50 - Jan 11 with 349 views | Boundy |
The Guardian, well what else would you expect .The paper that only the dull woke brigade love to read. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:07 - Jan 11 with 333 views | Scotia |
I think she's talking about something slightly different, she's referring to organised abuse. The gangs Musk refers to are just part of that.
That's what the 2022 report covered really. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:08 - Jan 11 with 329 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:50 - Jan 11 by Boundy |
The Guardian, well what else would you expect .The paper that only the dull woke brigade love to read. |
It's pretty much what you did when you said it may be encouraged in mosques. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:01 - Jan 11 with 302 views | Gwyn737 |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:50 - Jan 11 by Boundy |
The Guardian, well what else would you expect .The paper that only the dull woke brigade love to read. |
Attacking the source not the content? 😉 | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:07 - Jan 11 with 299 views | AnotherJohn |
There are signs of a split emerging in Labour, or at least a largish minority who are saying there must be some kind of national inquiry. On one hand, we have Wes Streeting, basically spelling out the view that said full investigation and prosecutions of all those involved would be bad for community relations - the policy stance that got us where we are now. On other hand, we have those like Burnham, Harman, the Blue Labour group and now Khalid Mahmood, who think this can't be swept under the carpet any longer.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/general/pakistani-muslim-former-labour-mp-bac | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:10 - Jan 11 with 295 views | KeithHaynes |
Green Party haven’t helped in elections locally. Accepting strong Muslim candidates and winning. Then they leave the party and become independent.
Don’t shout too hard though. |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:47 - Jan 11 with 272 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:07 - Jan 11 by Scotia |
I think she's talking about something slightly different, she's referring to organised abuse. The gangs Musk refers to are just part of that.
That's what the 2022 report covered really. |
ft.com/content/c379bdb3-25fa-4554-b045-51ef3e53abae | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:30 - Jan 11 with 258 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:01 - Jan 11 by Gwyn737 |
Attacking the source not the content? 😉 |
If you'll excuse me, that was my first indiscretion but in this case I stand by every word . | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 17:29 - Jan 11 with 216 views | Dr_Winston |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:10 - Jan 11 by KeithHaynes |
Green Party haven’t helped in elections locally. Accepting strong Muslim candidates and winning. Then they leave the party and become independent.
Don’t shout too hard though. |
In a weird way it's similar to the fears about Catholics centuries ago. Where do their loyalties lie? To the country or to the religion? | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 22:26 - Jan 11 with 168 views | controversial_jack |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:01 - Jan 11 by Gwyn737 |
Attacking the source not the content? 😉 |
That's what he does when he has no argument | | | |
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