| Huw Jenkins on 20:08 - Aug 4 with 1357 views | jack247 |
| Huw Jenkins on 19:51 - Aug 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I think you did mind the old guard selling. That is the point. They could have waited for a better price but knew their time had come to leave. The US owners are good owners and brought no debt with them.
The sellers were not devious or back stabbing. Part of the ownership stated, the Trust, they did not want to sell. They wanted to buy shares not sell them. It was a major strategic error. Their error. No one to blame but themselves especially the members who did not speak up. |
What makes you think that?
I’d have sold as well in their position. I’d like to think of I was going to make multiple millions regardless, I’d have sold to buyers who wouldn’t sell off all our silver and dismantle the legacy HJ, MM and co built within a couple of seasons.
Fortunately, they have done a good job in attracting investment and we seem to be in a more even keel now their shareholding has diminished. |  | |  |
| Huw Jenkins on 20:14 - Aug 4 with 1347 views | Whiterockin |
| Huw Jenkins on 20:03 - Aug 4 by swan_si |
Financial stability |
Losing £12M a season and needing fresh investment to break even. |  | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 20:32 - Aug 4 with 1312 views | QJumpingJack |
"the next level" should have meant about the ambition of our club.
within 3 months of the new ownership we had Bob Bradley....... | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 21:33 - Aug 4 with 1250 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Huw Jenkins on 20:32 - Aug 4 by QJumpingJack |
"the next level" should have meant about the ambition of our club.
within 3 months of the new ownership we had Bob Bradley....... |
I doubt he was as bad as many suggest. He has been in near continual employment since then. The US people have employed some respected figures since Carlos Calvalhal, Graham Potter Steve Cooper and Russ Martin.
The next level referred to investment and that has been delivered. The old guard could not fund or managed the loss of revenue associated with relegation. Many fans saw a re run of the 1980s but it did not happen. |  |
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| Huw Jenkins on 22:39 - Aug 4 with 1229 views | max936 |
| Huw Jenkins on 20:14 - Aug 4 by Whiterockin |
Losing £12M a season and needing fresh investment to break even. |
Some only see what they want to see WR. |  |
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| Huw Jenkins on 23:43 - Aug 4 with 1204 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Huw Jenkins on 20:02 - Aug 4 by Whiterockin |
We finished 12th just before they took over, what would you call the next level? |
Sustainability probably. There is no way a side like Swansea was going to become a permanent fixture in the PL. We should never have been relegated the season we were, it was a real gutless run in from CC and the players. However the writing was on the wall the season before and the PL would have eaten us up at some point. A bit like Brentford will probably be very soon.We need to put up a credible promotion push every few seasons and may get lucky at some point, and get another 7 seasons in the sun.
I too think the Americans are decent owners. |  | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 23:53 - Aug 4 with 1187 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Huw Jenkins on 20:08 - Aug 4 by jack247 |
What makes you think that?
I’d have sold as well in their position. I’d like to think of I was going to make multiple millions regardless, I’d have sold to buyers who wouldn’t sell off all our silver and dismantle the legacy HJ, MM and co built within a couple of seasons.
Fortunately, they have done a good job in attracting investment and we seem to be in a more even keel now their shareholding has diminished. |
Football is competitive very competitive. The US people did not dismantle anything. The competition just got too tough.
It is a competition a sport and bad luck plays a factor. Even the best run clubs like Southampton and Burnley have recently been relegated . Clubs much bigger than Swansea with big budgets and a world class coach like Leeds Utd drop. Newcastle, Villa, Brighton were all Championship clubs recently.
I do not blame. It is pointless. The idea that Swansea is Premier league fixture while balancing the books was fantasy. A spell in the Championship it to be expected by the law of averages with 3 dropping every season. Swansea have been top ten or around since dropping with 2 play offs and on Wembley. | |
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| Huw Jenkins on 05:21 - Aug 5 with 1183 views | jack247 |
| Huw Jenkins on 23:53 - Aug 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Football is competitive very competitive. The US people did not dismantle anything. The competition just got too tough.
It is a competition a sport and bad luck plays a factor. Even the best run clubs like Southampton and Burnley have recently been relegated . Clubs much bigger than Swansea with big budgets and a world class coach like Leeds Utd drop. Newcastle, Villa, Brighton were all Championship clubs recently.
I do not blame. It is pointless. The idea that Swansea is Premier league fixture while balancing the books was fantasy. A spell in the Championship it to be expected by the law of averages with 3 dropping every season. Swansea have been top ten or around since dropping with 2 play offs and on Wembley. |
Nobody is blaming them for relegation. It’s how you deal with it. Burnley reacted by winning the league.
Let’s see if Southampton and Leeds sell every player of any value and dismantle their category one academies. In fairness to MM and HJ, they built a real legacy there. | | | |
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| Huw Jenkins on 07:43 - Aug 5 with 1153 views | SgorioFruit |
HJ and MM completely shafted us after doing so well for us.
End of story. |  |
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| Huw Jenkins on 09:25 - Aug 5 with 1074 views | max936 |
| Huw Jenkins on 07:43 - Aug 5 by SgorioFruit |
HJ and MM completely shafted us after doing so well for us.
End of story. |
This 100%, it was all about them making as much money as they could in the end, | |
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| Huw Jenkins on 09:27 - Aug 5 with 1073 views | Fireboy2 |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:25 - Aug 5 by max936 |
This 100%, it was all about them making as much money as they could in the end, |
And not being bothered about who they sold the club to.
That's the galling point. |  | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:38 - Aug 5 with 1056 views | jack247 |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:27 - Aug 5 by Fireboy2 |
And not being bothered about who they sold the club to.
That's the galling point. |
100%. That is the only issue for me. Can’t deny they worked wonders before that. | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:40 - Aug 5 with 1054 views | swan_si |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:25 - Aug 5 by max936 |
This 100%, it was all about them making as much money as they could in the end, |
It was probably more about not losing as much money as they could.
I for one would have done the same, as much as I love the Swans, I value my family more. |  | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:44 - Aug 5 with 1046 views | jack247 |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:40 - Aug 5 by swan_si |
It was probably more about not losing as much money as they could.
I for one would have done the same, as much as I love the Swans, I value my family more. |
I think Martin Morgan would have survived mind… | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:44 - Aug 5 with 1045 views | max936 |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:40 - Aug 5 by swan_si |
It was probably more about not losing as much money as they could.
I for one would have done the same, as much as I love the Swans, I value my family more. |
There was more to it than that, if you think about it!
I'd have done the same, that's not an argument, but the way they did it sticks in the throat. | |
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| Huw Jenkins on 10:01 - Aug 5 with 1024 views | Fireboy2 |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:44 - Aug 5 by max936 |
There was more to it than that, if you think about it!
I'd have done the same, that's not an argument, but the way they did it sticks in the throat. |
This ^ | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 10:05 - Aug 5 with 1014 views | swan_si |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:44 - Aug 5 by jack247 |
I think Martin Morgan would have survived mind… |
But at what cost, we were never going to stay in the epl forever. | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 10:09 - Aug 5 with 1000 views | swan_si |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:44 - Aug 5 by max936 |
There was more to it than that, if you think about it!
I'd have done the same, that's not an argument, but the way they did it sticks in the throat. |
are you talking about the trust? | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 10:10 - Aug 5 with 999 views | whiterock |
| Huw Jenkins on 09:39 - Aug 4 by onehunglow |
Indeed so.
I was all for a sale but with hindsight it was deeply deviously done .
Pity we weren’t sold to a consortium with real brass .
We d still be in the Prem |
How do you equate money with success? Not saying it doesn't help but under HJ, we done things different and showed the PL that its not all about money.
As it happens, and its my understanding, 5% or above gets you a seat on the board, HJ had 5% but that has been diluted. As for Martin Morgan, he also had 5%, I can only assume he's kept pace with the other investors? | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 10:24 - Aug 5 with 986 views | max936 |
| Huw Jenkins on 10:09 - Aug 5 by swan_si |
are you talking about the trust? |
You know the answer and I'm not going down that road again,! | |
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| Huw Jenkins on 11:01 - Aug 5 with 956 views | shaggyrogers |
| Huw Jenkins on 10:10 - Aug 5 by whiterock |
How do you equate money with success? Not saying it doesn't help but under HJ, we done things different and showed the PL that its not all about money.
As it happens, and its my understanding, 5% or above gets you a seat on the board, HJ had 5% but that has been diluted. As for Martin Morgan, he also had 5%, I can only assume he's kept pace with the other investors? |
Yes it looks like MM has kept his 5% to keep a directorship. | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 11:05 - Aug 5 with 951 views | shaggyrogers |
| Huw Jenkins on 07:43 - Aug 5 by SgorioFruit |
HJ and MM completely shafted us after doing so well for us.
End of story. |
No they didn't. If we hadn't got relegated from the premier league you and many others wouldn't have cared less. The Americans made a few mistake that didn't help the situation but Carvalhal got us relegated when with 9 games to go he thought the job was done and tried to eek out the odd point or 2. | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 11:16 - Aug 5 with 933 views | shaggyrogers |
| Huw Jenkins on 19:10 - Aug 4 by swan_si |
I think that some people took the next level as winning the champions league. |
The next level was always about having the financial clout . Some with Agendas at the time and having influence over forums tried to make out differently. With £40 million put in over the last year or so i think that has been proved right.
Let us not forget this. Those that sold were paid around £65 million. They left behind a club with a lot more that £65 million. Dan James , rodon and Mcburnie brought that in. Stadium, 2 training grounds and presided over 100's of millions of pounds coming into our city over their tenure. I could go on and on.
I've enjoyed what they achieved and am still enjoying the fruits now. It certainly beats battling it out at the foot of league 2 at the vetch.
We will never now exactly what happened at the time of the sale. There are many conflicting stories and at the time the chairman and vice chairman of the trust ran forums so therefore had the platform to put out what they needed to put out. That is why i have always kept an open mind. There seemed to be a lot of propaganda out there which was very one sided. | | | |
| Huw Jenkins on 12:10 - Aug 5 with 885 views | max936 |
| Huw Jenkins on 11:05 - Aug 5 by shaggyrogers |
No they didn't. If we hadn't got relegated from the premier league you and many others wouldn't have cared less. The Americans made a few mistake that didn't help the situation but Carvalhal got us relegated when with 9 games to go he thought the job was done and tried to eek out the odd point or 2. |
Opinions Hey!
Everyone has got them, only a few have the actual facts.! | |
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