| Russian missile strike in Poland 19:21 - Nov 15 with 7637 views | scruffyjack |
Polish security council meeting as we speak. This is an attack on NATO.
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 08:38 - Nov 17 with 939 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 17:54 - Nov 16 by controversial_jack |
Look at the atlas. The Polish border with the Ukraine is the opposite end of the Ukraine, it's a long way from any Russian territory, therefore there could not have been any missile fired from any Russian base at all.There's also no targets there. Where is the proof of any Russian missile travelling hundreds of miles through Ukranian airspace, and where did the Russian missile go? Did it impact, where's the debris.
The Ukraine could not have fired an air defense missile as there would have been nothing to hit.
This is a direct attack, by a non NATO country Ukraine against a NATO country Poland
The Ukraine has been running a successful propaganda campaign so far, but it's not at all subtle.This is an attempt to drag NATO in and it has backfired. |
Then why are missiles still hitting both Kyev and Lyiv. Are you denying that Russia has made any missile attacks on Ukraine.
Even the Russia confirm they are launching missile attacks, although they claim they are only attacking legitimate military targets, rather than civilian infrastructure including electricity grid, water infrastructure, railway stations and of course thousands of civilian households. | |
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 08:45 - Nov 17 with 935 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 18:23 - Nov 16 by controversial_jack |
Not in this area, not near the Polish border.Where is the so called missile? Why was it tracked over hundreds of miles of Ukranian airspace and only shot down by the Polish border? Shouldn't any missile be dealt with as soon as possible and not left to travel for ages through their airspace?
It never happened that's why. There was no Russian missile. |
Ukraine Air defences are spread throughout Ukraine and not just on the Russian border. This gives tye Ukrainians more time to attack and destroy Russian missiles. I thought a military expert like you would realise this.
Even as long ago as WWII the British anti aircraft defences were not all spread along the coast but were spread around the cities the Getmans were attacking.
You still seem very quiet on all the Russian War crimes committed in Ukraine or the many Russian retreats . Russia has lost 50% of the land it captured at the height of it invasion in March. | |
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 09:12 - Nov 17 with 920 views | controversial_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 06:52 - Nov 17 by Scotia |
No it hit a farm in Poland.
See my post before last.
You're being particularly controversial in the form of a six letter word beginning with S and ending with D over this point. |
The alleged Russian missile that was being tracked and shot at, not the one the Ukranianns fired | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 09:17 - Nov 17 with 915 views | controversial_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 08:45 - Nov 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Ukraine Air defences are spread throughout Ukraine and not just on the Russian border. This gives tye Ukrainians more time to attack and destroy Russian missiles. I thought a military expert like you would realise this.
Even as long ago as WWII the British anti aircraft defences were not all spread along the coast but were spread around the cities the Getmans were attacking.
You still seem very quiet on all the Russian War crimes committed in Ukraine or the many Russian retreats . Russia has lost 50% of the land it captured at the height of it invasion in March. |
Even Biden has called Zelensky out over this, Biden and Poland can see the danger of getting NATO invoked in this. Zelensky, is a lying manipulating dangerous man, who doesn't have the balls to stand up to Washington and London | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 10:59 - Nov 17 with 883 views | Scotia |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 09:12 - Nov 17 by controversial_jack |
The alleged Russian missile that was being tracked and shot at, not the one the Ukranianns fired |
You're making less sense than usual in this thread. | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 11:51 - Nov 17 with 873 views | onehunglow |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 10:59 - Nov 17 by Scotia |
You're making less sense than usual in this thread. |
Incredible reading really. | |
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 13:08 - Nov 17 with 869 views | controversial_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 10:59 - Nov 17 by Scotia |
You're making less sense than usual in this thread. |
If the Ukranian air defence missile that crashed into Poland was fired to shoot down a Russian missile that was incoming, where did the Russian missile end up. Did it impact anything, did it explode, where's the debris from it and the evidence of the Ukranians tracking it? There isn't because this particular one didn't exist | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 13:17 - Nov 17 with 867 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 13:08 - Nov 17 by controversial_jack |
If the Ukranian air defence missile that crashed into Poland was fired to shoot down a Russian missile that was incoming, where did the Russian missile end up. Did it impact anything, did it explode, where's the debris from it and the evidence of the Ukranians tracking it? There isn't because this particular one didn't exist |
Are you saying Russian did not launch any missile on the day in question despite photographic evidence or buildings on fire in Kyev and Lyiv. Lyiv being only 70 miles from the Polish border.
Even Russia has admitted it launched missile attacks that day. | |
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 13:26 - Nov 17 with 863 views | controversial_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 13:17 - Nov 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Are you saying Russian did not launch any missile on the day in question despite photographic evidence or buildings on fire in Kyev and Lyiv. Lyiv being only 70 miles from the Polish border.
Even Russia has admitted it launched missile attacks that day. |
Not the one this was supposed to target, as there's no evidence it existed.
It wasn't an accident, it was deliberate ploy to drag NATO into the conflict. Just as the G20 meeting was taking place too - excellent timing.
Thank god nobody of any political clout has taken Zelensky's false flag. The world is slowly waking up to what Zelensky is really like. Biden has distanced himself over this, and he has previously rebuked Zelensky over his demands for more equipment.
The Yanks are starting to realise their regime change isn't working out how they planned it
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/full-ukrainian-victory-over-russia-203628638.html | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 14:36 - Nov 17 with 851 views | Scotia |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 13:26 - Nov 17 by controversial_jack |
Not the one this was supposed to target, as there's no evidence it existed.
It wasn't an accident, it was deliberate ploy to drag NATO into the conflict. Just as the G20 meeting was taking place too - excellent timing.
Thank god nobody of any political clout has taken Zelensky's false flag. The world is slowly waking up to what Zelensky is really like. Biden has distanced himself over this, and he has previously rebuked Zelensky over his demands for more equipment.
The Yanks are starting to realise their regime change isn't working out how they planned it
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/full-ukrainian-victory-over-russia-203628638.html |
There's plenty of evidence that many missiles existed. Just look at the damage inflicted on the (completely innocent) infrastructure of Lviv on Tuesday. You're right about the link to the G20, Putin decided to target civillians to mark it.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-kyiv-other-cities-hit-by-missiles/a-637606
Just consider this scenario. The Polish border is about 40 miles from Lviv. A missile was fired from a Russian bomber somewhere over Belarus. The Ukrianian army fired a ground to air missile from somewhere south or east of Lviv and tried to shoot it down. Either the missile missed, or the missile and it landed in Poland.
That could be a total distance of less than 50 miles from a missile with a range of 75 miles and nothing more than an accident.
Of course Zelensky wants NATO to enter the war, I don't blame him. His country has been illegally invaded. What does amaze me is that some people think that is ok. [Post edited 17 Nov 2022 14:36]
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 15:00 - Nov 17 with 846 views | felixstowe_jack |
Good to see a court in the Netherlands has found three people guilty of shooting down Malaysia Airlines flight MH 17 over Ukraine in 2016. The court found a Russian missile supplied by Russia was fired by group under Russian control.
The three guilty men were two Russians one who supplied the missile system, one who oversaw the guarding of the Buk missile system and an Ukrainian the so called military leader of the Donetsk people Republic who deployed the missile and sought Russian help.
No doubt the Russians will refuse to accept this actually happen and the crash was fabricated by the West. | |
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 15:04 - Nov 17 with 846 views | controversial_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 14:36 - Nov 17 by Scotia |
There's plenty of evidence that many missiles existed. Just look at the damage inflicted on the (completely innocent) infrastructure of Lviv on Tuesday. You're right about the link to the G20, Putin decided to target civillians to mark it.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-kyiv-other-cities-hit-by-missiles/a-637606
Just consider this scenario. The Polish border is about 40 miles from Lviv. A missile was fired from a Russian bomber somewhere over Belarus. The Ukrianian army fired a ground to air missile from somewhere south or east of Lviv and tried to shoot it down. Either the missile missed, or the missile and it landed in Poland.
That could be a total distance of less than 50 miles from a missile with a range of 75 miles and nothing more than an accident.
Of course Zelensky wants NATO to enter the war, I don't blame him. His country has been illegally invaded. What does amaze me is that some people think that is ok. [Post edited 17 Nov 2022 14:36]
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Ok, just for matters of simplicity, because you don't understand my points. Let's say it was an accident. Why was Zelensky immediately certain that it was launched from Russia? Given that the Ukraine have many of these old systems., Why did he immediately blame Russia without any evidence whatsoever. Because, he's a liar and manipulator, and wants to drag others into this mess. No, it's not acceptable to drag others into his mess.
A Russian bomber you say, where is the evidence of this or any Russian missile in the vicinity. Are you saying a Russian bomber or Missile traveled a thousands miles across Ukraine without being detected and was only fired on when it reached within a few dozen miles of the Polish border.
The Ukraine must have extremely poor air defences if this is the case. I stand by my assertion that it was a deliberate act to drag Poland into this. It's in effect, an act of aggression by a non NATO country against a NATO country. Of course it will be covered up, because it doesn't fit the agenda of NATO. | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 15:15 - Nov 17 with 842 views | hobo |
Shouldn't the heading be changed to Ukrainian missile strike in Poland? |  | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 15:22 - Nov 17 with 840 views | Boundy |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 15:15 - Nov 17 by hobo |
Shouldn't the heading be changed to Ukrainian missile strike in Poland? |
No leave as it is as a reminder that Russia fired over a hundred on Tuesday alone on civilian targets , or the fact that another mass grave has been discovered in Kherson | |
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 16:16 - Nov 17 with 822 views | controversial_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 15:22 - Nov 17 by Boundy |
No leave as it is as a reminder that Russia fired over a hundred on Tuesday alone on civilian targets , or the fact that another mass grave has been discovered in Kherson |
How can that be possible, when some on here said Russia has lost the war? | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 16:52 - Nov 17 with 808 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 16:16 - Nov 17 by controversial_jack |
How can that be possible, when some on here said Russia has lost the war? |
No one has said Russia has lost the War just that they have retreated on nearly all fronts and has lost 50% of territory the captured at the apex of their invasion in April.
Russian is now reduced to attacking civilian targets throughout Ukraine although 75% of their missiles and Drones are shot down by Ukrainian air defences.
No side can win this war it will probably be pretty much a stalemate with Ukraine continuing to slowly retake its own territory.
Still to be seen how long the Russian people will put up with the wrecking of their economy. | |
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 17:27 - Nov 17 with 806 views | Boundy |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 16:52 - Nov 17 by felixstowe_jack |
No one has said Russia has lost the War just that they have retreated on nearly all fronts and has lost 50% of territory the captured at the apex of their invasion in April.
Russian is now reduced to attacking civilian targets throughout Ukraine although 75% of their missiles and Drones are shot down by Ukrainian air defences.
No side can win this war it will probably be pretty much a stalemate with Ukraine continuing to slowly retake its own territory.
Still to be seen how long the Russian people will put up with the wrecking of their economy. |
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 17:47 - Nov 17 with 799 views | Scotia |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 15:04 - Nov 17 by controversial_jack |
Ok, just for matters of simplicity, because you don't understand my points. Let's say it was an accident. Why was Zelensky immediately certain that it was launched from Russia? Given that the Ukraine have many of these old systems., Why did he immediately blame Russia without any evidence whatsoever. Because, he's a liar and manipulator, and wants to drag others into this mess. No, it's not acceptable to drag others into his mess.
A Russian bomber you say, where is the evidence of this or any Russian missile in the vicinity. Are you saying a Russian bomber or Missile traveled a thousands miles across Ukraine without being detected and was only fired on when it reached within a few dozen miles of the Polish border.
The Ukraine must have extremely poor air defences if this is the case. I stand by my assertion that it was a deliberate act to drag Poland into this. It's in effect, an act of aggression by a non NATO country against a NATO country. Of course it will be covered up, because it doesn't fit the agenda of NATO. |
I've made it as simple as I can. It's obviously not simple enough for you.
Zelensky wants NATO involved. Of course he does. I would if I was him. His country has been illegally invaded.
The only person to drag others in to this is Putin.
The evidence is the damage to Lviv, unless you think that is fake??
You do understand that missiles, whether launched from land, sea or air fly at a speed greater than sound over hundreds of miles don't you?
I'm not bothering to reply any more. I'd love to think you're on a wind up but I don't think you are. Stop trying to think for yourself, you can't do it. Just watch the news. | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 18:05 - Nov 17 with 794 views | controversial_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 16:52 - Nov 17 by felixstowe_jack |
No one has said Russia has lost the War just that they have retreated on nearly all fronts and has lost 50% of territory the captured at the apex of their invasion in April.
Russian is now reduced to attacking civilian targets throughout Ukraine although 75% of their missiles and Drones are shot down by Ukrainian air defences.
No side can win this war it will probably be pretty much a stalemate with Ukraine continuing to slowly retake its own territory.
Still to be seen how long the Russian people will put up with the wrecking of their economy. |
A few on here said Russia have already lost. It's not good, but in every conflict since ww1, civilians and the infrastructure have been targetted. Ww2, Vietnam, korea, Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Yemen, the list goes on.
Ukranian air defences are hopeless, Russian missiles are getting through with impugnity.
Russian forced are just across the river, they can be seen.The Ukraine will have to settle for peace, they aren't going to get the Crimea or Donbass back. I believe The US and others can see this and they will start to distance themselves from Zelensky | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 18:24 - Nov 17 with 791 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 18:05 - Nov 17 by controversial_jack |
A few on here said Russia have already lost. It's not good, but in every conflict since ww1, civilians and the infrastructure have been targetted. Ww2, Vietnam, korea, Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Yemen, the list goes on.
Ukranian air defences are hopeless, Russian missiles are getting through with impugnity.
Russian forced are just across the river, they can be seen.The Ukraine will have to settle for peace, they aren't going to get the Crimea or Donbass back. I believe The US and others can see this and they will start to distance themselves from Zelensky |
Wrong Modetn Ukrainian air defences are very good that is why 75% of Russian missile are shot down . Which is why only 1 civilian was killed despite Russia launching approximately 100 missiles.
Even old Russian Air defence missiles ate quite good which is they Shot MH17 in 2016.
The Russian airforce no longer flies over Ukraine as they were losing too many pilots snd planes. | |
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| Russian missile strike in Poland on 20:10 - Nov 17 with 780 views | controversial_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 18:24 - Nov 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Wrong Modetn Ukrainian air defences are very good that is why 75% of Russian missile are shot down . Which is why only 1 civilian was killed despite Russia launching approximately 100 missiles.
Even old Russian Air defence missiles ate quite good which is they Shot MH17 in 2016.
The Russian airforce no longer flies over Ukraine as they were losing too many pilots snd planes. |
Is that why 50% of Ukranian electricity substations have been knocked out by Russian misiles? | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 20:33 - Nov 17 with 775 views | Scotia |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 20:10 - Nov 17 by controversial_jack |
Is that why 50% of Ukranian electricity substations have been knocked out by Russian misiles? |
You do realise he 75% doesn't mean every missile don't you?
You have struggled with vat before, so in simple terms for every four missiles Russia fires, one gets through defences. That's a pretty good return for Ukraine and appaling for Russia and is why they're on the back foot.
Irrespective of that how does decimating the energy supply across all of Ukraine help defeat the Nazis in Donbass? | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 21:03 - Nov 17 with 772 views | controversial_jack |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 20:33 - Nov 17 by Scotia |
You do realise he 75% doesn't mean every missile don't you?
You have struggled with vat before, so in simple terms for every four missiles Russia fires, one gets through defences. That's a pretty good return for Ukraine and appaling for Russia and is why they're on the back foot.
Irrespective of that how does decimating the energy supply across all of Ukraine help defeat the Nazis in Donbass? |
I'm not sure where you get those figures from.
Disabling electricity supplies, prevents weapons and supplies being moved to the frontline. Prevents troop movements interupts manufacturing and destroys the economy | | | |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 21:35 - Nov 17 with 757 views | Boundy |
| Russian missile strike in Poland on 21:03 - Nov 17 by controversial_jack |
I'm not sure where you get those figures from.
Disabling electricity supplies, prevents weapons and supplies being moved to the frontline. Prevents troop movements interupts manufacturing and destroys the economy |
Where do you get yours from ? and by the way I'm still waiting for your "proof" of this lot
"They manufactured a coup in 2014, supported the NAZIS in the Donbass, knowing it would provoke a Russian intervention so we would sanction Russian gas so they can sell more to us and Europe.
This will make Europe more dependent on expensive LNG, instead of cheap Russian gas. It will make European industry less competitive so they can move into European markets. It also makes our reluctance to move away from fossil fuels make more sense.They will probably give us a bit of a discount for blowing up Nord 2 as well
They don't care about the Ukraine or how many deaths occur as long as they can make their money. It's quite a brilliant strategy really, but it's why I believe the US is the worlds biggest threat" | |
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