| Sheff Wed points reduction halved 19:08 - Nov 4 with 6593 views | Bakes |
Now only 6 points deducted, so they are now +5 points and Wycombe go bottom. [Post edited 4 Nov 2020 19:10]
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| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 11:11 - Nov 5 with 1823 views | loftus77 |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 10:44 - Nov 5 by DejR_vu |
True, but why is is that all of these clubs are finding cavernous loopholes, and yet we couldn’t? I can’t believe the authorities replaced the original rules with a set to make it easier to circumvent?
And, why is it that when a club is actually charged, their punishment is so feeble when ours was so draconian. As I say, £20m fine of 6 points? Really?
Take a step back for one moment and think where else a punishment is defined as an opportunity to get away scot free?
It’s beyond farcical. |
This - it's outrageous. Putting aside our own situation and misgivings (....), what will Wycombe, Coventry and Rotherham be thinking this morning? They will have planned (with some trepidation) their first Championship campaigns with the knowledge that they would almost certainly competing with a Sheff Wed team on -12 pts. That was the 'level playing field' for the likely relegation battle at the start of the season which everyone signed up to.
This, out of nowhere, alters it considerably and (in my view) is unfair and (I think) unprecedented? Has a club ever been 'awarded 2 wins' from nothing before? [Post edited 5 Nov 2020 11:12]
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| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 11:25 - Nov 5 with 1788 views | francisbowles |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 11:11 - Nov 5 by loftus77 |
This - it's outrageous. Putting aside our own situation and misgivings (....), what will Wycombe, Coventry and Rotherham be thinking this morning? They will have planned (with some trepidation) their first Championship campaigns with the knowledge that they would almost certainly competing with a Sheff Wed team on -12 pts. That was the 'level playing field' for the likely relegation battle at the start of the season which everyone signed up to.
This, out of nowhere, alters it considerably and (in my view) is unfair and (I think) unprecedented? Has a club ever been 'awarded 2 wins' from nothing before? [Post edited 5 Nov 2020 11:12]
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Completely agree with this. This decision takes the biscuit! Aren't the EFL going to appeal this.
With us they wouldn't alter their position, wouldn't accept our effort to circumvent the rules by owner investment (although it was imposed as part of the sanction/settlement) wouldn't accept that we were being judged by rules that had since proved unworkable and had been rewritten. The arbitration panel wouldn't accept this last point either.
I accept that we broke the rules at the time and that we deserved a sanction but the rules weren't fit for purpose and were subsequently rewritten in a way them easier to circumvent, as in the original FFP rules you couldn't sell your stadium to put against FFP losses!
Clearly these rules aren't fit for purpose either. | | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 13:14 - Nov 5 with 1700 views | PinnerPaul |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 09:55 - Nov 5 by Lblock |
Reinforces again to me just how clueless Bungle and the boys are.
Yep, we were bang to rights and deserved a punishment, however what we've been hit with and accepted could've been mitigated.
We were supposed to be an example but all I've seen since is a load of workaround or committed clubs making the EFL look like right charlies. |
I thought no points deduction AND getting in effect a 10 year interest free loan was mitigation? | | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 13:53 - Nov 5 with 1668 views | daveB |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 09:55 - Nov 5 by Lblock |
Reinforces again to me just how clueless Bungle and the boys are.
Yep, we were bang to rights and deserved a punishment, however what we've been hit with and accepted could've been mitigated.
We were supposed to be an example but all I've seen since is a load of workaround or committed clubs making the EFL look like right charlies. |
We had the same lawyer as Sheffield Wednesday, he also got Derby off and us off the Faurlin case . What we got for FFP was mitigated, the fine should have been 80million, the eventual fine was a lot less |  | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 14:09 - Nov 5 with 1638 views | londonscottish |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 10:44 - Nov 5 by DejR_vu |
True, but why is is that all of these clubs are finding cavernous loopholes, and yet we couldn’t? I can’t believe the authorities replaced the original rules with a set to make it easier to circumvent?
And, why is it that when a club is actually charged, their punishment is so feeble when ours was so draconian. As I say, £20m fine of 6 points? Really?
Take a step back for one moment and think where else a punishment is defined as an opportunity to get away scot free?
It’s beyond farcical. |
Thay massively watered down the rules for the season after Ranger's offence on the basis that the previous punishments were far too draconian and would cause far too much damage to the targetted clubs.
Our lawyers pointed all this out but the EFL just went full cn8t ahead anyway. |  |
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| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 14:27 - Nov 5 with 1603 views | QPR_John |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 13:53 - Nov 5 by daveB |
We had the same lawyer as Sheffield Wednesday, he also got Derby off and us off the Faurlin case . What we got for FFP was mitigated, the fine should have been 80million, the eventual fine was a lot less |
I imagine had the £80M fine been imposed we would have taken the legal route with a very good chance of winning. The punishment was far too excessive. Why the club accepted the eventual punishment I have no idea. | | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 14:44 - Nov 5 with 1563 views | francisbowles |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 14:27 - Nov 5 by QPR_John |
I imagine had the £80M fine been imposed we would have taken the legal route with a very good chance of winning. The punishment was far too excessive. Why the club accepted the eventual punishment I have no idea. |
We had been to arbitration and lost. The panel of arbitration's ruling stated that FFP rules were both lawful and a fine of £41.965m was not disproportionate
We had broken spending limits on the way to winning promotion to the Premier League in 2014, with wages of more than £75m making up 195% of their turnover of £38.6m.
The settlement included a £17m fine, paying £3m of the EFL's legal costs and the agreement from club shareholders to write off £22m of outstanding loans. We also had a transfer embargo for the January 2019 window. | | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 17:14 - Nov 5 with 1489 views | QPR_John |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 14:44 - Nov 5 by francisbowles |
We had been to arbitration and lost. The panel of arbitration's ruling stated that FFP rules were both lawful and a fine of £41.965m was not disproportionate
We had broken spending limits on the way to winning promotion to the Premier League in 2014, with wages of more than £75m making up 195% of their turnover of £38.6m.
The settlement included a £17m fine, paying £3m of the EFL's legal costs and the agreement from club shareholders to write off £22m of outstanding loans. We also had a transfer embargo for the January 2019 window. |
I don't think the arbitration panel were asked to decide whether FFP was legal or not. Surely their job was to decide whether the FA/FL followed their rules correctly in coming to a result. | | | |
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| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 17:44 - Nov 5 with 1469 views | francisbowles |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 17:14 - Nov 5 by QPR_John |
I don't think the arbitration panel were asked to decide whether FFP was legal or not. Surely their job was to decide whether the FA/FL followed their rules correctly in coming to a result. |
This is how it was reported by the BBC. The word used is lawful, not legal. They can mean slightly different things e.g. lawful can mean ethical. So the first sentence of my post could be interpreted as saying the panel found that they did follow their rules correctly. | | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 18:26 - Nov 5 with 1440 views | denhamhoop2 |
There is only 1 reason it has been reduced to 6 points so if it had been imposed last season(ie when the actual FRAUD took place) it would mean Sheffield Wednesday wouldn't have got relegated. The EFL is not fit for purpose just like their test for owners. | | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 21:23 - Nov 5 with 1376 views | daveB |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 14:27 - Nov 5 by QPR_John |
I imagine had the £80M fine been imposed we would have taken the legal route with a very good chance of winning. The punishment was far too excessive. Why the club accepted the eventual punishment I have no idea. |
We did take the legal route after the initial fine which is why it took a few years and the end result was the 40millon fine which was really 20 million. The club had no choice but to accept the eventual punishment, it was the best result they could get | | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 21:24 - Nov 5 with 1374 views | daveB |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 17:14 - Nov 5 by QPR_John |
I don't think the arbitration panel were asked to decide whether FFP was legal or not. Surely their job was to decide whether the FA/FL followed their rules correctly in coming to a result. |
QPR argued that FFP was unlawful which was what the case was all about | | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 09:09 - Nov 6 with 1264 views | ted_hendrix |
Sheffield Wednesday owner Dejphon Chansiri has accepted blame for the points deduction the club started the season with.
"Of course I take full responsibility,"
"Whatever happens to this club, there is no excuse, I have to take responsibility."
"Even if you don't spend money then you will lose up to £10m a year because the revenue and the costs are not balanced," he added.
"The EFL talk about sustainability and that is easy to say but it is impossible.
"The clubs who come up to this league and don't spend any money go straight back down. You need to spend to survive and have a chance to go up.
"In football success or failure is zero or 100, you either go up or you don't, that's not what normal business is like."
Many fans have called for the club to sack boss Garry Monk but Chansiri feels the team's struggles are not just the fault of the manager.
"It's easy to say and do things without responsibility. I've spoken to fans before about who they would like me to bring here and they say 'I don't know, I just want you to sack him'," Chansiri said. |  |
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| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 11:22 - Nov 6 with 1235 views | QPR_John |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 21:23 - Nov 5 by daveB |
We did take the legal route after the initial fine which is why it took a few years and the end result was the 40millon fine which was really 20 million. The club had no choice but to accept the eventual punishment, it was the best result they could get |
I don't remember a court case. | | | |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 20:58 - Nov 9 with 1121 views | Bakes |
Gary Monk has left/been pushed. | |
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| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 21:10 - Nov 9 with 1096 views | daveB |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 11:22 - Nov 6 by QPR_John |
I don't remember a court case. |
It was all done behind closed doors but we appealed, lost and then appealed again before accepting a smaller fine of 20 million [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 21:14]
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| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 15:13 - Nov 10 with 962 views | QPR_John |
| Sheff Wed points reduction halved on 21:10 - Nov 9 by daveB |
It was all done behind closed doors but we appealed, lost and then appealed again before accepting a smaller fine of 20 million [Post edited 9 Nov 2020 21:14]
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You have to wonder having seemingly won why the FL offered us a smaller fine. | | | |
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