| Europe in or out 11:22 - May 12 with 7459 views | runningman75 |
So the Tories want to bring the EU referendum forward until 2016. I am personally in favour of remaining in the EU. The EU is not perfect but worried about us becoming little Britain or England/Wales/ Northern Ireland in the case of Scottish independence. |  | | |  |
| Europe in or out on 11:31 - May 12 with 3281 views | toboboly |
I'd vote no purely to anger the Scots :) |  |
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| Europe in or out on 11:32 - May 12 with 3277 views | francisbowles |
Depends on what he manages to negotiate with Europe. | | | |
| Europe in or out on 11:52 - May 12 with 3228 views | sexton |
It's not just about trade, it's also about inward investment. See for example statements from the car industry. |  | | |
| Europe in or out on 12:28 - May 12 with 3166 views | Gloucs_R |
I would want to hear both sides of the story, but from the leave side:
1. Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.
2. Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens.
3. Freedom to control our national borders.
4. Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system.
5. Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.
6. Freedom to make major savings for British consumers.
7. Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.
8. Freedom to regenerate Britain’s fisheries.
9. Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.
10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions. |  |
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| Europe in or out on 12:32 - May 12 with 3154 views | stumbleandfall |
| Europe in or out on 12:28 - May 12 by Gloucs_R |
I would want to hear both sides of the story, but from the leave side:
1. Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.
2. Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens.
3. Freedom to control our national borders.
4. Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system.
5. Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.
6. Freedom to make major savings for British consumers.
7. Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.
8. Freedom to regenerate Britain’s fisheries.
9. Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.
10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions. |
10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions.
None are impeded by EU membership. To say otherwise is bollocks. | | | |
| Europe in or out on 12:35 - May 12 with 3137 views | Aitch |
| Europe in or out on 12:28 - May 12 by Gloucs_R |
I would want to hear both sides of the story, but from the leave side:
1. Freedom to make stronger trade deals with other nations.
2. Freedom to spend UK resources presently through EU membership in the UK to the advantage of our citizens.
3. Freedom to control our national borders.
4. Freedom to restore Britain’s special legal system.
5. Freedom to deregulate the EU’s costly mass of laws.
6. Freedom to make major savings for British consumers.
7. Freedom to improve the British economy and generate more jobs.
8. Freedom to regenerate Britain’s fisheries.
9. Freedom to save the NHS from EU threats to undermine it by harmonising healthcare across the EU, and to reduce welfare payments to non-UK EU citizens.
10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions. |
All this. But most importantly for me is that the government that is voted for by the people of this country is the one governs us and not some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels as it is right now. |  |
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| Europe in or out on 12:48 - May 12 with 3103 views | runningman75 |
| Europe in or out on 12:35 - May 12 by Aitch |
All this. But most importantly for me is that the government that is voted for by the people of this country is the one governs us and not some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels as it is right now. |
You mean like a Tory government who was elected by less then 40 per cent of the voting population. | | | |
| Europe in or out on 12:52 - May 12 with 3082 views | Gloucs_R |
| Europe in or out on 12:32 - May 12 by stumbleandfall |
10. Freedom to restore British customs and traditions.
None are impeded by EU membership. To say otherwise is bollocks. |
calm down dear, it was a copy and paste. 
But the EU have said we arent allowed to do morris dancing with wooden poles anymore due to health and safety.  | |
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| Europe in or out on 12:53 - May 12 with 3083 views | sexton |
Yet there is no referendum promised on TTIP. | | | |
| Europe in or out on 13:02 - May 12 with 3056 views | QPR_John |
| Europe in or out on 12:48 - May 12 by runningman75 |
You mean like a Tory government who was elected by less then 40 per cent of the voting population. |
Better than being controlled by an organisation voted for by 0% of the population.
But your argument is spurious because no government gets elected on over 50% of the population or even 50% of those that voted. It is not a party thing [Post edited 12 May 2015 13:02]
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| Europe in or out on 13:04 - May 12 with 3039 views | stumbleandfall |
REASONS WHY BRITAIN’S FUTURE IS IN THE EU
1. Jobs
Around 3.5 million British jobs are directly linked to British membership of the European Union’s single market — 1 in 10 British jobs.
2. Exports & investment
The EU buys over 50 per cent of UK exports (54 per cent of goods, 40 per cent of services).
Over 300,000 British companies and 74 per cent of British exporters operate in other EU markets.
American and Asian EU firms build factories in Britain because it is in the single market.
3. Trade
The EU negotiates trade agreements with the rest of the world. Outside the EU Britain would have to renegotiate trade deals alone. While the EU is the world’s largest market, a UK outside the EU would not be a high priority for other counties to negotiate a trade deal.
4. Consumer clout
British families enjoy lower mobile phone roaming charges, lower credit card fees, cheaper flights and proper compensation when flights are delayed or cancelled. These sorts of benefits could not be achieved by Britain alone.
5. Clean environment
Through commonly agreed EU standards, national Governments have achieved improvements to the quality of air, rivers and beaches. Good for Britain and good for Britons holidaying or living abroad!
6. Power to curb the multinationals
The EU has taken on multinational giants like Microsoft, Samsung and Toshiba for unfair competition. The UK would not be able to do this alone.
7. Freedom to work and study abroad — and easy travel
1.4 million British people live abroad in the EU. More than 14,500 UK students took part in the European Union’s Erasmus student exchange scheme in 2012-13. Driving licences issued in the UK are valid throughout the EU.
8. Peace and democracy
The EU has helped secure peace among previously warring western European nations. It helped to consolidate democracy in Spain, Portugal, Greece and former Soviet bloc countries and helped preserve peace in the Balkans since the end of the Balkans War. With the UN it now plays a leading role in conflict prevention, peacekeeping and democracy building.
9. Equal pay and non-discrimination
Equal pay for men and women is enshrined in EU law, as are bans on discrimination by age, race or sexual orientation. This benefits Britain and British people who live in other EU countries.
10. Influence in the world
As 28 democracies, and as the world’s biggest market, we are strong when we work together.
Britain is represented in many international organisations in joint EU delegations — giving Britain more influence than it would have alone. The EU has played a major role in climate, world trade and development.
11. Cutting red tape
Common rules for the common market make it unnecessary to have 28 sets of national regulations.
12. Fighting crime
The European Arrest Warrant replaced long extradition procedures and enables the UK to extradite criminals wanted in other EU countries, and bring to justice criminals wanted in the UK who are hiding in other EU countries.
Eurojust helps UK authorities work with other EU countries’ to tackle international organised crime such as drug smuggling, people trafficking and money laundering.
13. Research funding
The UK is the second largest beneficiary of EU research funds, and the British Government expects future EU research funding to constitute a vital source of income for our world-leading universities and companies | | | |
| Europe in or out on 13:10 - May 12 with 3010 views | Discodroids |
until these crusty old warts can sign off some audited accounts , they havent for 18 years, like any other fiscal responsible and competent organisation . they can sling their euro flag, army and cold meats right up their puckered arseholes.
in addition id love to see that jean claude junker work in my probation office for a week to see him dealing with the cultural explosion of criminals from eastern europe which has enriched my life beyond measure. [Post edited 12 May 2015 13:13]
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| Europe in or out on 13:15 - May 12 with 2998 views | BucksRanger |
The EU took my Bombay Duck away. Sod 'em. |  | | |
| Europe in or out on 13:24 - May 12 with 2953 views | Discodroids |
| Europe in or out on 13:04 - May 12 by stumbleandfall |
REASONS WHY BRITAIN’S FUTURE IS IN THE EU
1. Jobs
Around 3.5 million British jobs are directly linked to British membership of the European Union’s single market — 1 in 10 British jobs.
2. Exports & investment
The EU buys over 50 per cent of UK exports (54 per cent of goods, 40 per cent of services).
Over 300,000 British companies and 74 per cent of British exporters operate in other EU markets.
American and Asian EU firms build factories in Britain because it is in the single market.
3. Trade
The EU negotiates trade agreements with the rest of the world. Outside the EU Britain would have to renegotiate trade deals alone. While the EU is the world’s largest market, a UK outside the EU would not be a high priority for other counties to negotiate a trade deal.
4. Consumer clout
British families enjoy lower mobile phone roaming charges, lower credit card fees, cheaper flights and proper compensation when flights are delayed or cancelled. These sorts of benefits could not be achieved by Britain alone.
5. Clean environment
Through commonly agreed EU standards, national Governments have achieved improvements to the quality of air, rivers and beaches. Good for Britain and good for Britons holidaying or living abroad!
6. Power to curb the multinationals
The EU has taken on multinational giants like Microsoft, Samsung and Toshiba for unfair competition. The UK would not be able to do this alone.
7. Freedom to work and study abroad — and easy travel
1.4 million British people live abroad in the EU. More than 14,500 UK students took part in the European Union’s Erasmus student exchange scheme in 2012-13. Driving licences issued in the UK are valid throughout the EU.
8. Peace and democracy
The EU has helped secure peace among previously warring western European nations. It helped to consolidate democracy in Spain, Portugal, Greece and former Soviet bloc countries and helped preserve peace in the Balkans since the end of the Balkans War. With the UN it now plays a leading role in conflict prevention, peacekeeping and democracy building.
9. Equal pay and non-discrimination
Equal pay for men and women is enshrined in EU law, as are bans on discrimination by age, race or sexual orientation. This benefits Britain and British people who live in other EU countries.
10. Influence in the world
As 28 democracies, and as the world’s biggest market, we are strong when we work together.
Britain is represented in many international organisations in joint EU delegations — giving Britain more influence than it would have alone. The EU has played a major role in climate, world trade and development.
11. Cutting red tape
Common rules for the common market make it unnecessary to have 28 sets of national regulations.
12. Fighting crime
The European Arrest Warrant replaced long extradition procedures and enables the UK to extradite criminals wanted in other EU countries, and bring to justice criminals wanted in the UK who are hiding in other EU countries.
Eurojust helps UK authorities work with other EU countries’ to tackle international organised crime such as drug smuggling, people trafficking and money laundering.
13. Research funding
The UK is the second largest beneficiary of EU research funds, and the British Government expects future EU research funding to constitute a vital source of income for our world-leading universities and companies |
regarding number 7 , its my lifelong ambition to go and work in Bucharest to beg outside their version of primark without a nose , like the one here in stratford. a work exchange programme must surely be in the offering
Ican only speak for myself and probably thousands of other working class blokes who pop off to work in the morning to keep the family afloat with the rustle of the council tax, utility bills, mortgage, food bills ringing in ones lug holes who simply dont give a flying fk about 5 and 9.
and if number 11 is true , me and kellie maloney will be dining on meat and cheese for brekky in the morning under the eiffel tower.
and as for number 12, i can though thank the eu for increasing my workload.. with the poles, latvians and lithuanians really coming into their own here in east london in the last 2 years. people trafficking, slavery and brothels are certainly a growth industry here in newham.
there like obi wan kenobi passing on their skills in these niche markets to our home grown criminals, We cant get enough of it as probation officers, and im sure social workers, the cps and the police feel the same.
and all for £58 million a day. a snip . [Post edited 12 May 2015 13:34]
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| Europe in or out on 13:38 - May 12 with 2906 views | Aitch |
Just a couple of thoughts on some of the above points. I think there's pros & cons for every in/out arguments that effect everyone on an individual basis.
2. Exports & investment
As the UK imports so much from the EU are they really going to sacrifice all that income & jobs if we pull out of Europe? Very unlikely.
3. Trade
Countries like New Zealand manage to negotiate trade agreements with countries like China so why would it be different for the UK?
4. Consumer clout
The lower roaming charges came at the cost of higher monthly charges for all.
8. Peace and democracy
Like the EUs meddling in the Ukraine? Why does the EU want a European army?
10. Influence in the world
Doesn't the UK have a seat on the WTO that the EU won't let it take?
11. Cutting red tape
The EU has introduced thousands of regulations costing UK companies millions.
12. Fighting crime
The European Arrest Warrant allows people to be arrested and detained with no evidence. Nice. Didn't Interpol work? Habeas ? | |
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| Europe in or out on 13:38 - May 12 with 2906 views | Metallica_Hoop |
Out.
Even more countries wanting to join, even more immigrants. |  |
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| Europe in or out on 13:38 - May 12 with 2902 views | connell10 |
Oh God another 16 page political dirge!! I thought I felt bad enough about rangers going down! Buckle up! |  |
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| Europe in or out on 13:48 - May 12 with 2876 views | DWQPR |
Hate to say this but in reality a yes vote to exit Europe is highly unlikely to succeed, given the spread of voting in the general election. You could only count on the people who voted for UKIP to vote to leave Europe and probably 50-60% of Tory voters, the rest will vote to stay in as their political leanings would indicate.
What I would love to see though is another Scottish referendum and a yes vote being obtained only for them to be refused entry into the EU, which would be highly likely to happen. The Spanish will sink their boat. | |
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| Europe in or out on 13:48 - May 12 with 2876 views | QPR1882 |
| Europe in or out on 13:04 - May 12 by stumbleandfall |
REASONS WHY BRITAIN’S FUTURE IS IN THE EU
1. Jobs
Around 3.5 million British jobs are directly linked to British membership of the European Union’s single market — 1 in 10 British jobs.
2. Exports & investment
The EU buys over 50 per cent of UK exports (54 per cent of goods, 40 per cent of services).
Over 300,000 British companies and 74 per cent of British exporters operate in other EU markets.
American and Asian EU firms build factories in Britain because it is in the single market.
3. Trade
The EU negotiates trade agreements with the rest of the world. Outside the EU Britain would have to renegotiate trade deals alone. While the EU is the world’s largest market, a UK outside the EU would not be a high priority for other counties to negotiate a trade deal.
4. Consumer clout
British families enjoy lower mobile phone roaming charges, lower credit card fees, cheaper flights and proper compensation when flights are delayed or cancelled. These sorts of benefits could not be achieved by Britain alone.
5. Clean environment
Through commonly agreed EU standards, national Governments have achieved improvements to the quality of air, rivers and beaches. Good for Britain and good for Britons holidaying or living abroad!
6. Power to curb the multinationals
The EU has taken on multinational giants like Microsoft, Samsung and Toshiba for unfair competition. The UK would not be able to do this alone.
7. Freedom to work and study abroad — and easy travel
1.4 million British people live abroad in the EU. More than 14,500 UK students took part in the European Union’s Erasmus student exchange scheme in 2012-13. Driving licences issued in the UK are valid throughout the EU.
8. Peace and democracy
The EU has helped secure peace among previously warring western European nations. It helped to consolidate democracy in Spain, Portugal, Greece and former Soviet bloc countries and helped preserve peace in the Balkans since the end of the Balkans War. With the UN it now plays a leading role in conflict prevention, peacekeeping and democracy building.
9. Equal pay and non-discrimination
Equal pay for men and women is enshrined in EU law, as are bans on discrimination by age, race or sexual orientation. This benefits Britain and British people who live in other EU countries.
10. Influence in the world
As 28 democracies, and as the world’s biggest market, we are strong when we work together.
Britain is represented in many international organisations in joint EU delegations — giving Britain more influence than it would have alone. The EU has played a major role in climate, world trade and development.
11. Cutting red tape
Common rules for the common market make it unnecessary to have 28 sets of national regulations.
12. Fighting crime
The European Arrest Warrant replaced long extradition procedures and enables the UK to extradite criminals wanted in other EU countries, and bring to justice criminals wanted in the UK who are hiding in other EU countries.
Eurojust helps UK authorities work with other EU countries’ to tackle international organised crime such as drug smuggling, people trafficking and money laundering.
13. Research funding
The UK is the second largest beneficiary of EU research funds, and the British Government expects future EU research funding to constitute a vital source of income for our world-leading universities and companies |
We do more trade outside the EU
Look at Norway, a noble European country that thrives by EU trade while outside the EU and controls its agriculture and keeps its fish and does not pay £58 m day . [Post edited 12 May 2015 13:54]
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| Europe in or out on 13:55 - May 12 with 2841 views | MedwayR |
| Europe in or out on 13:48 - May 12 by QPR1882 |
We do more trade outside the EU
Look at Norway, a noble European country that thrives by EU trade while outside the EU and controls its agriculture and keeps its fish and does not pay £58 m day . [Post edited 12 May 2015 13:54]
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I've never really got the trade argument, surely the core fundamental of any business is supply & demand, I can't imagine anyone trades with UK businesses simply because we're in the EU & equally can't see anyone not trading with UK businesses if we leave, it's completely irrelevant imo. |  |
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| Europe in or out on 14:02 - May 12 with 2819 views | TheBlob |
No.The EU is a basket case - the PIGS nations will drag everything into the toilet,the trousers have already dropped in some countries.The next thing you know it'll be a European army.Then you've got Russian and Chinese ambitions to worry about.....there's a big banking collapse coming,could be anytime now, all the European banks are linked,UK is better placed to survive.Get your cash out now and/or go into physical gold and silver. |  |
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| Europe in or out on 14:20 - May 12 with 1757 views | Aunt_Nelly |
| Europe in or out on 13:48 - May 12 by QPR1882 |
We do more trade outside the EU
Look at Norway, a noble European country that thrives by EU trade while outside the EU and controls its agriculture and keeps its fish and does not pay £58 m day . [Post edited 12 May 2015 13:54]
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Norway's trade deals have been secured over decades but it's riches are because it produces, and is sitting on absolute shitloads of oil.
They also have better services and standard of living because the population are not only paid more on average than us but also happy paying higher taxes to support it.
Oh and they don't have any nuclear weapons either.
Norway is basically Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon's wet dream. [Post edited 12 May 2015 15:01]
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| Europe in or out on 15:09 - May 12 with 1688 views | peejaybee |
| Europe in or out on 11:52 - May 12 by sexton |
It's not just about trade, it's also about inward investment. See for example statements from the car industry. |
I did not know we had a Car Industry.
Is it hiding away somewhere. |  |
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