| Lotto 15:19 - Sep 18 with 12202 views | rochdaleriddler |
Just seen the prizes for last two weeks, pitiful, would indicate hardly any members. That isn’t going to be supporting the club in any meaningful way |  |
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| Lotto on 15:54 - Sep 18 with 4433 views | dawlishdale |
It's a shambles I'm afraid. And more or less as predicted by several people on here. I fear that the club has scored another own goal with this one.
Shame the CEO is on holiday again this week. Again. |  | | |
| Lotto on 15:59 - Sep 18 with 4416 views | judd |
Did you know it costs £54.00 per new sign up?
Fifty four quid for a new sign up.
That's 28 weeks before a £2 per week account hits the club, longer if you allow for the fact that 20% of takings HAVE to go to the cancer charity, and longer again if you take into account Total Gaming Solutions management fee, and another name has entered the forum - Fieldgate Solutions. |  |
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| Lotto on 16:07 - Sep 18 with 4395 views | Shun |
It’s a shame and I do have sympathy for the club on this one. The change was clearly driven by a move to bring the club into the 21st century, one I completely agree with and that, in the main, was greatly needed.
However, what’s also clear is that while doing that in this particular case they’ve also removed the charming element of face-to-face contact between regular customer and agent.
I’m not sure of the solution though as the previous Goldbond method is very outdated, and I may be well off the mark here but I’d hazard a guess that the majority of customers were getting on a bit.
Personally I very rarely carry cash on me, and the same goes for pretty much everyone I know of my generation. We’re in a contactless age now and I do applaud the club for trying to welcome that move, although the method might not have worked this time. |  | | |
| Lotto on 16:22 - Sep 18 with 4360 views | judd |
| Lotto on 16:07 - Sep 18 by Shun |
It’s a shame and I do have sympathy for the club on this one. The change was clearly driven by a move to bring the club into the 21st century, one I completely agree with and that, in the main, was greatly needed.
However, what’s also clear is that while doing that in this particular case they’ve also removed the charming element of face-to-face contact between regular customer and agent.
I’m not sure of the solution though as the previous Goldbond method is very outdated, and I may be well off the mark here but I’d hazard a guess that the majority of customers were getting on a bit.
Personally I very rarely carry cash on me, and the same goes for pretty much everyone I know of my generation. We’re in a contactless age now and I do applaud the club for trying to welcome that move, although the method might not have worked this time. |
Shun, a member of Goldbond could pay by direct debit or standing order. It's what I've always done. | |
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| Lotto on 18:58 - Sep 18 with 4188 views | Shun |
| Lotto on 16:22 - Sep 18 by judd |
Shun, a member of Goldbond could pay by direct debit or standing order. It's what I've always done. |
Fair enough, I misunderstood. | | | |
| Lotto on 19:30 - Sep 18 with 4122 views | 442Dale |
Can somebody explain how the jackpot rolls over? Have asked this before and it still doesn’t make sense. Surely someone gets their name pulled out? |  |
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| Lotto on 19:51 - Sep 18 with 4073 views | judd |
| Lotto on 19:30 - Sep 18 by 442Dale |
Can somebody explain how the jackpot rolls over? Have asked this before and it still doesn’t make sense. Surely someone gets their name pulled out? |
Not exactly sure of the machinations but the numbers can probably explain it.
As a member you had 7 numbers for each 50p. Now this is down to 1 number for £2 ( not sure how the new £1 ticket works)
Door collections were about 60% of income, possibly more.
So you now have significantly less members and numbers being entered into a draw that hasn't concurrently reduced the chances of not winning.
Effectively it rolls over more often because it is harder to win. | |
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| Lotto on 20:06 - Sep 18 with 4035 views | 442Dale |
| Lotto on 19:51 - Sep 18 by judd |
Not exactly sure of the machinations but the numbers can probably explain it.
As a member you had 7 numbers for each 50p. Now this is down to 1 number for £2 ( not sure how the new £1 ticket works)
Door collections were about 60% of income, possibly more.
So you now have significantly less members and numbers being entered into a draw that hasn't concurrently reduced the chances of not winning.
Effectively it rolls over more often because it is harder to win. |
But don’t they just pull a name out from those in the draw, like they do for the £50 etc prizes? | |
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| Lotto on 20:13 - Sep 18 with 4016 views | Boss_Hog |
The computer will generate a winning number (A1234 for example), if nobody has that number, it then rolls over.
The jackpot prize will now rarely get won given the low number of members. | | | |
| Lotto on 20:22 - Sep 18 with 4002 views | ncfc_chalky |
| Lotto on 19:51 - Sep 18 by judd |
Not exactly sure of the machinations but the numbers can probably explain it.
As a member you had 7 numbers for each 50p. Now this is down to 1 number for £2 ( not sure how the new £1 ticket works)
Door collections were about 60% of income, possibly more.
So you now have significantly less members and numbers being entered into a draw that hasn't concurrently reduced the chances of not winning.
Effectively it rolls over more often because it is harder to win. |
I was given two numbers when I joined for a £2 stake so I'm presuming that you only get one number for a £1 stake |  |
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| Lotto on 20:26 - Sep 18 with 3994 views | judd |
| Lotto on 20:22 - Sep 18 by ncfc_chalky |
I was given two numbers when I joined for a £2 stake so I'm presuming that you only get one number for a £1 stake |
Ah, that appears to have changed . Thanks. | |
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| Lotto on 20:30 - Sep 18 with 3982 views | ncfc_chalky |
| Lotto on 20:26 - Sep 18 by judd |
Ah, that appears to have changed . Thanks. |
What did it change to? | |
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| Lotto on 20:30 - Sep 18 with 3980 views | judd |
| Lotto on 20:22 - Sep 18 by ncfc_chalky |
I was given two numbers when I joined for a £2 stake so I'm presuming that you only get one number for a £1 stake |
By the way, when you joined were you given the option to opt out of the cancer charity payment? | |
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| Lotto on 20:33 - Sep 18 with 3967 views | ncfc_chalky |
This week's lotto paid out a total of £250 to winners and I picked a random lotto (5th March) and there was a total of £750 paid out,has Munto taken over th finances? | |
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| Lotto on 20:34 - Sep 18 with 3963 views | ncfc_chalky |
| Lotto on 20:30 - Sep 18 by judd |
By the way, when you joined were you given the option to opt out of the cancer charity payment? |
I don't know anything about that judd so no | |
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| Lotto on 20:35 - Sep 18 with 3959 views | 442Dale |
| Lotto on 20:13 - Sep 18 by Boss_Hog |
The computer will generate a winning number (A1234 for example), if nobody has that number, it then rolls over.
The jackpot prize will now rarely get won given the low number of members. |
Ta, so it becomes about how many numbers the computer has to choose from against number of tickets.
Then the big question is, if it’s X/1 chance, how many is the X... | |
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| Lotto on 20:44 - Sep 18 with 3937 views | judd |
| Lotto on 20:30 - Sep 18 by ncfc_chalky |
What did it change to? |
I was told that the new Lotto was £2 per week, one number when it launched and we tried to convert.
Nevertheless, £2 on the old system would get you 28 numbers, it is now 2, the prizes are less and the jackpot is harder to win. | |
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| Lotto on 21:13 - Sep 18 with 3888 views | James1980 |
| Lotto on 20:44 - Sep 18 by judd |
I was told that the new Lotto was £2 per week, one number when it launched and we tried to convert.
Nevertheless, £2 on the old system would get you 28 numbers, it is now 2, the prizes are less and the jackpot is harder to win. |
Sounds like the real Lotto | |
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| Lotto on 21:35 - Sep 18 with 3847 views | judd |
| Lotto on 20:44 - Sep 18 by judd |
I was told that the new Lotto was £2 per week, one number when it launched and we tried to convert.
Nevertheless, £2 on the old system would get you 28 numbers, it is now 2, the prizes are less and the jackpot is harder to win. |
Now appears to be 2 entries per pound | |
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| Lotto on 22:08 - Sep 18 with 3819 views | ncfc_chalky |
| Lotto on 21:35 - Sep 18 by judd |
Now appears to be 2 entries per pound |
Bloody hell it sounds like a right cock up,if they have had to reduce the winnings from £750 pw to £250 pw due to the amount being collected then somebody should get a kick up the arse for that idea | |
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| Lotto on 22:15 - Sep 18 with 3807 views | judd |
| Lotto on 22:08 - Sep 18 by ncfc_chalky |
Bloody hell it sounds like a right cock up,if they have had to reduce the winnings from £750 pw to £250 pw due to the amount being collected then somebody should get a kick up the arse for that idea |
Well it's said to be about making more money for the club because that's all that matters.
The club said they had signed up 1206 new members as of November last year which is £125000 revenue. Ok that's less the acquition fees of £65000 and management fees and have set a fairly low target of I think £80k in order to make more profit.
It's all there in the trust meeting minutes, if those membership numbers can be believed. | |
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| Lotto on 15:00 - Sep 19 with 3498 views | judd |
| Lotto on 19:30 - Sep 18 by 442Dale |
Can somebody explain how the jackpot rolls over? Have asked this before and it still doesn’t make sense. Surely someone gets their name pulled out? |
Further digging reveals there are 2 separate draws.
The first has each members multiples of numbers included (2 for a pound and 4 for 2). This draw has a top prize of £50.
Then each member is allocated 1 number (or was only 1 until the £1 option was introduced) into the jackpot draw. I believe there are in excess of 80,000 permutations in this draw for a member number to match and now with such low numbers of entry, the chance of winning vastly decreases. | |
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| Lotto on 16:08 - Sep 19 with 3427 views | Reedy |
| Lotto on 15:59 - Sep 18 by judd |
Did you know it costs £54.00 per new sign up?
Fifty four quid for a new sign up.
That's 28 weeks before a £2 per week account hits the club, longer if you allow for the fact that 20% of takings HAVE to go to the cancer charity, and longer again if you take into account Total Gaming Solutions management fee, and another name has entered the forum - Fieldgate Solutions. |
Sorry Judd, I’m a touch confused here! Where has this figure of £54 come from? Also, where have fieldgate solutions come from?
I’ve no sympathy for the club whatsoever, from start to finish (whether you agreed with the move or not) the way it was handled was an absolute shambles. I wonder how many of those 1206 members that signed up are still signed up, one thing is for sure, it’s a lot easier to click a button and cancel a standing order or direct debit, than it is to cancel someone who’s called at your house for years.
When the lotto restarted the club said 284 members had signed up from the old goldbond system. Meaning there was (roughly) 5,216 members lost from the old system. If any business makes a change and losses 95% of their custom, heads would (quite rightly) roll.
The fact the top prize is now £50 shows how far it’s fallen in such a short space of time. I wonder if the carrot of the first 5 draws having a top prize of £1,000 swayed anyone, also how many could stop now that’s gone?
For some reason, I’ve still got my walking order book, I can’t seem to get rid of it! In the tiny hope the club come to their senses when normality resumes, I doubt it though. | |
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| Lotto on 16:31 - Sep 19 with 3399 views | judd |
| Lotto on 16:08 - Sep 19 by Reedy |
Sorry Judd, I’m a touch confused here! Where has this figure of £54 come from? Also, where have fieldgate solutions come from?
I’ve no sympathy for the club whatsoever, from start to finish (whether you agreed with the move or not) the way it was handled was an absolute shambles. I wonder how many of those 1206 members that signed up are still signed up, one thing is for sure, it’s a lot easier to click a button and cancel a standing order or direct debit, than it is to cancel someone who’s called at your house for years.
When the lotto restarted the club said 284 members had signed up from the old goldbond system. Meaning there was (roughly) 5,216 members lost from the old system. If any business makes a change and losses 95% of their custom, heads would (quite rightly) roll.
The fact the top prize is now £50 shows how far it’s fallen in such a short space of time. I wonder if the carrot of the first 5 draws having a top prize of £1,000 swayed anyone, also how many could stop now that’s gone?
For some reason, I’ve still got my walking order book, I can’t seem to get rid of it! In the tiny hope the club come to their senses when normality resumes, I doubt it though. |
I can't reveal my sources, Reedy, as there is a reign of fear in play.
£54 is what TGS charge when Place Enterprise sign up a new member, hence no Goldbond canvassing since TGS came on board.
Fieldgate Solutions offer management of the new lottery in the absence of any retained staff. Based in Burnley and linked with Barry Kilby.
I also think that printing was switched from Dale Print to a Kilby company, such is our commitment to community. | |
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| Lotto on 17:15 - Sep 19 with 3344 views | Statzdale |
| Lotto on 16:08 - Sep 19 by Reedy |
Sorry Judd, I’m a touch confused here! Where has this figure of £54 come from? Also, where have fieldgate solutions come from?
I’ve no sympathy for the club whatsoever, from start to finish (whether you agreed with the move or not) the way it was handled was an absolute shambles. I wonder how many of those 1206 members that signed up are still signed up, one thing is for sure, it’s a lot easier to click a button and cancel a standing order or direct debit, than it is to cancel someone who’s called at your house for years.
When the lotto restarted the club said 284 members had signed up from the old goldbond system. Meaning there was (roughly) 5,216 members lost from the old system. If any business makes a change and losses 95% of their custom, heads would (quite rightly) roll.
The fact the top prize is now £50 shows how far it’s fallen in such a short space of time. I wonder if the carrot of the first 5 draws having a top prize of £1,000 swayed anyone, also how many could stop now that’s gone?
For some reason, I’ve still got my walking order book, I can’t seem to get rid of it! In the tiny hope the club come to their senses when normality resumes, I doubt it though. |
Totally agree Reedy, I still have my stuff in the hope the club come to their senses. When I told the customers the feedback I received was that they would rejoin again if it started again and I was the agent. There were a lot of angry and upset people that night. [Post edited 19 Sep 2020 17:23]
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