| Cor Blimey may have a point. 13:58 - Nov 27 with 16461 views | pomanjou |
What are Mr Camerons compelling reasons for needing a mandate to bomb Syria?
He said some days ago live on camera that USA, France and Russia were all bombing and that we really should be doing our bit. We all know that our bit is actually not a lot and may come to 2/3% of the total if/when we do join the bombfest. We are not needed.
So Camerons flaky excuse, sorry, compelling reason is that they are doing it, therefore so should we. In the circumstances Corbyn is right to raise questions about justification.
Hopefully Corbyn, the conservatives not very secret weapon, will maintain his position as labour leader and the main reason for voting conservative. What a pity it will be if at his labour meetings on Monday he decides to fall on his sword. A man of his honour, boxing way above his weight, should surely do just that.
I'm very pro Cameron and the conservatives generally but I reckon they are being a bit gung ho in this instance.
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 16:37 - Nov 27 with 2435 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
The press and Tories and some Labour MP's calling Corbyn weak
But It's really Dave that's the weak one, doing just as Blair did, being lead by the nose, not having the brains or guts to do anything else. |  |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 16:46 - Nov 27 with 2422 views | Dorse |
This may be an unpopular view and I am quite prepared to be dug out over it but I think the most compelling reason to bomb IS is that they are a shower of sperm-gargling bumtards who make Chelsea supporters seem almost proto-simian. Almost.
Actually, now I think about it, if the boys at GCHQ are listening in, I heard that Jose Mourinho said you were all infidels. Just saying. |  |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 16:49 - Nov 27 with 2415 views | TheBlob |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 16:19 - Nov 27 by johncharles |
Not to mention Iraq and Libya. Now tell me, what have Iraq, Libya and Syria got a lot of ? |
Sand? |  |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 16:50 - Nov 27 with 2406 views | TheBlob |
Awwwwwww...... sheeeit,you beat me to it bud. | |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 17:00 - Nov 27 with 2390 views | isawqpratwcity |
I don't know why you blokes are being so shy on this, we are already there and we say "Come on in, the war is lovely!"
Of course we are only there because of Abbott. He BEGGED Obama to let us join in because national security was the best way for Abbott to claw back popularity against the Labour opposition.
Of course, now it's Turnbull and he knows it's a lot harder to get out of a war than to get in one.
The bombing campaign isn't working. It isn't exactly high pressure, so contributing is really only 'moral' support. Worse, ISIS hide amongst civilians, human shields. Lately there are noises about 'accepting casualties' (civilian casualties, that is) and changing rules of engagement. That is REALLY scary!
But, as has been noted above, British participation is already happening and it will become official. We'll save you a chair. |  |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 17:47 - Nov 27 with 2335 views | Jigsore |
Bombed hospitals? |  |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 17:51 - Nov 27 with 2329 views | DWQPR |
Whether Corbyn is principled or not and I don't think that he is at all principled, he would vote against any action however much Cameron met the four conditions that were set out during the last Labour Party conference. He would always vote no to any kind of conflict and as a former head of the Stop the War campaign that is proof in itself. He would rather see this country overrun with Islamists if it meant that we didn't kill anyone. And yet he supported the actions of the IRA many years back and invited people like Gerry Adams to Westminster during some of the darkest days of the troubles with bombings on the mainland in Hyde Park, Oxford Street and at Chelsea Barracks.
And it seems such figures in the Labour Party such as Hilary Benn and Tom Watson are convinced by Cameron's argument along with probably many other shadow cabinet members and some backbench Labour MP's. If helping to bomb IS means that the local ground troops in Syria can finish the job then great. It will still mean that we will have the problem within but it will be one place left where our home grown Jihadists can go and learn how to fire an AK47. |  |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 18:20 - Nov 27 with 2307 views | FDC |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 16:46 - Nov 27 by Dorse |
This may be an unpopular view and I am quite prepared to be dug out over it but I think the most compelling reason to bomb IS is that they are a shower of sperm-gargling bumtards who make Chelsea supporters seem almost proto-simian. Almost.
Actually, now I think about it, if the boys at GCHQ are listening in, I heard that Jose Mourinho said you were all infidels. Just saying. |
Mate, if you can gather them all up into one room and guarantee that their fascist ideology dies with them, I'd be the first to suggest we gather all of the worlds most tortuous ways to die and administer them. |  | | |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:08 - Nov 27 with 2267 views | Dorse |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 18:20 - Nov 27 by FDC |
Mate, if you can gather them all up into one room and guarantee that their fascist ideology dies with them, I'd be the first to suggest we gather all of the worlds most tortuous ways to die and administer them. |
I've got it narrowed down to being dipped in liquid nitrogen and then sung at by Il Divo or being strapped to a chair and being forced to watch 'Hetty Wainthrop Does Dallas' on a loop. | |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:13 - Nov 27 with 2255 views | Jigsore |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:08 - Nov 27 by Dorse |
I've got it narrowed down to being dipped in liquid nitrogen and then sung at by Il Divo or being strapped to a chair and being forced to watch 'Hetty Wainthrop Does Dallas' on a loop. |
Metallica & Lou Reed's album Lulu... on repeat... for the rest of their lives.
Death would be a blessed relief | |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:26 - Nov 27 with 2240 views | johncharles |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 16:49 - Nov 27 by TheBlob |
Sand? |
And the winner is ...... Nigel Spackman [Post edited 27 Nov 2015 19:27]
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:28 - Nov 27 with 2234 views | johncharles |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 17:47 - Nov 27 by Jigsore |
Bombed hospitals? |
No, that's Palestine | |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:42 - Nov 27 with 1943 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 17:51 - Nov 27 by DWQPR |
Whether Corbyn is principled or not and I don't think that he is at all principled, he would vote against any action however much Cameron met the four conditions that were set out during the last Labour Party conference. He would always vote no to any kind of conflict and as a former head of the Stop the War campaign that is proof in itself. He would rather see this country overrun with Islamists if it meant that we didn't kill anyone. And yet he supported the actions of the IRA many years back and invited people like Gerry Adams to Westminster during some of the darkest days of the troubles with bombings on the mainland in Hyde Park, Oxford Street and at Chelsea Barracks.
And it seems such figures in the Labour Party such as Hilary Benn and Tom Watson are convinced by Cameron's argument along with probably many other shadow cabinet members and some backbench Labour MP's. If helping to bomb IS means that the local ground troops in Syria can finish the job then great. It will still mean that we will have the problem within but it will be one place left where our home grown Jihadists can go and learn how to fire an AK47. |
Sigh, I knew our love in couldn't last DW!
Corbyn , the former head of the Stop The War movement, isn't principled. That doesn't even make sense!
You may see him as many things but in a House of Commons full of cash for questions sellers, expense fiddlers (Corbyn claim is the lowest in all of MP's), paedo's and their protectors, bulging envelope accepting lobbyists, those caught outright lying etc etc etc to say he is not a man of principle is ridiculous.
Do you think he invited Adams over to celebrate deaths caused by the IRA or to begin a dialogue that successive governments were so slow to do? Look where that dialogue has got us now?
As for your hilariously over the top 'he would rather see this country overrun with Islamists', come on! There's been a decent discussion on here, that sort of mouth frothing over the top hyperbole is not adding anything of value or, more importantly anything based in reality.
And finally, as many have pointed out on this thread, we have visited genocide upon this area for a while now, the results of which speak for themselves. Many a new potential Jihadist is created with each image their brain washers can show them of yet more bodies of the innocent, adding to the hundreds of thousands already racked up.
Funny how 2 years ago it was the other side Cameron wanted to bomb. The idea that this is some sort of clear combat situation where all the 'bad guys' are in one place and all we have to do is bomb them and it will be over is naive at best, more willfully ignorant if you ask me.
Unfortunately the Powers That Be have this whole thing down to escalate over the coming months. |  | | |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:43 - Nov 27 with 1943 views | FDC |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:08 - Nov 27 by Dorse |
I've got it narrowed down to being dipped in liquid nitrogen and then sung at by Il Divo or being strapped to a chair and being forced to watch 'Hetty Wainthrop Does Dallas' on a loop. |
Yeah... The methods for making people dead is the one thing we're spoiled for though man.  | | | |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:52 - Nov 27 with 1925 views | DWQPR |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:42 - Nov 27 by 1BobbyHazell |
Sigh, I knew our love in couldn't last DW!
Corbyn , the former head of the Stop The War movement, isn't principled. That doesn't even make sense!
You may see him as many things but in a House of Commons full of cash for questions sellers, expense fiddlers (Corbyn claim is the lowest in all of MP's), paedo's and their protectors, bulging envelope accepting lobbyists, those caught outright lying etc etc etc to say he is not a man of principle is ridiculous.
Do you think he invited Adams over to celebrate deaths caused by the IRA or to begin a dialogue that successive governments were so slow to do? Look where that dialogue has got us now?
As for your hilariously over the top 'he would rather see this country overrun with Islamists', come on! There's been a decent discussion on here, that sort of mouth frothing over the top hyperbole is not adding anything of value or, more importantly anything based in reality.
And finally, as many have pointed out on this thread, we have visited genocide upon this area for a while now, the results of which speak for themselves. Many a new potential Jihadist is created with each image their brain washers can show them of yet more bodies of the innocent, adding to the hundreds of thousands already racked up.
Funny how 2 years ago it was the other side Cameron wanted to bomb. The idea that this is some sort of clear combat situation where all the 'bad guys' are in one place and all we have to do is bomb them and it will be over is naive at best, more willfully ignorant if you ask me.
Unfortunately the Powers That Be have this whole thing down to escalate over the coming months. |
1BH we can still love each other over a bottle of Fullers, I have my views and you have yours and that makes a debate. Fact is there is no reasoning with this lot, they kill their own and probably a lot more of them than the west has. They will stop for nothing and Corbyn will not in any way agree to anything not even land troops that even Livingstone last night at least admitted between some other ill thought statements admitted was required. | |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:55 - Nov 27 with 1920 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 19:52 - Nov 27 by DWQPR |
1BH we can still love each other over a bottle of Fullers, I have my views and you have yours and that makes a debate. Fact is there is no reasoning with this lot, they kill their own and probably a lot more of them than the west has. They will stop for nothing and Corbyn will not in any way agree to anything not even land troops that even Livingstone last night at least admitted between some other ill thought statements admitted was required. |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 20:06 - Nov 27 with 1906 views | johncharles |
Good to see the closet tories breaking cover. These are the guys who lost the election for Labour. And they want Corbyn to resign ? Why don't they Fck off and support Chelsea ? That's what plastic supporters do. These are the people who encouraged Blair to bomb Iraq. Fck off, we don't need you. | |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 21:15 - Nov 27 with 1853 views | FDC |
Lolz. Reminded me of Frankie Boyle's column in the Guarniad:
"Personally, I think that for all our blaming religion, there will be peace in the Middle East when the oil runs out. But knowing their luck, then somebody will invent a way of making fuel by mixing sand and falafel" | | | |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 21:53 - Nov 27 with 1815 views | 1BobbyHazell |
The dialogue I refer to in terms of where we are now is referencing what governments finally achieved by following the likes of Corbyn's lead by talking to Adams and co as opposed to refusing to do so. It was in answer to DW'S attempt to make Corbyn out to be a supporter of IRA violence because of said dialogue, when the reality is dialogue has brought peace. I hope even you can grasp such a simple concept, my breath is not held.
As for trying to state that an MP never spoke at any point to various governments about an issue he was so interested in is ridiculous, even for you. But then I remind myself that you think talking to people on the UK government's Rogue List is worse than selling them the means for mass genocide. Interesting values. | | | |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 21:54 - Nov 27 with 1810 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 21:15 - Nov 27 by FDC |
Lolz. Reminded me of Frankie Boyle's column in the Guarniad:
"Personally, I think that for all our blaming religion, there will be peace in the Middle East when the oil runs out. But knowing their luck, then somebody will invent a way of making fuel by mixing sand and falafel" |
Loved that piece. | | | |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 22:19 - Nov 27 with 3589 views | essextaxiboy |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 14:16 - Nov 27 by BazzaInTheLoft |
He'll get his mandate don't worry my Tory friend.
There'll be a free vote and the red Tories will vote Aye.
Then all will be right in the world unless your attending a Syrian wedding when the RAF mistake the guest's conga line for a ISIS offensive formation. |
You are probably right but Corbyn is doing a useful job in making everyone think for themselves rather than just divide along party lines .
It should be a free vote for all MPs ... IMO |  | | |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 22:59 - Nov 27 with 3550 views | derbyhoop |
| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 14:59 - Nov 27 by paulparker |
Here's an idea, why don't we deploy our already depleted services on our borders and around our streets and root out the filth that support ISIS already here
id rather that than be dictated to by the Russians and the yanks about where we bomb,
and who we bomb
and being controversial why should we help the French , I seem to recall we needed there assistance a few years back in the middle east and they didn't want to know so let them get on with it |
Anyone would think we've been sitting on our backsides since 7/7. If you think it's so easy to monitor and prevent the home grown terrorists how do you explain the teenagers who went off to Syria and their own family didn't know what they were up to. |  |
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| Cor Blimey may have a point. on 08:44 - Nov 28 with 3464 views | exiled_dictator |
part of the problem is the bleeding' heart liberals, like shami chakrabarti, who absolutely refuse to have a police force and any form of security force where people are monitored. people's liberty must be more valuable than the security of a nation. so, despite having more cctv cameras than the makers do, we don't allow stop and search, we don't have mandatory id cards, we don't have the resources or money to track 20,000 people on an ongoing basis, we don't have enough informants because they know the police will eventually give them up and screw them over. basically, we don't have a police state. there is far too much freedom for the individual for there to be a secure state for all. someone has to choose whet we give up on, because the two cannot work together. |  |
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