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Disappointed 16:39 - Mar 8 with 11828 viewsT_Block

Get the feeling this manager has taken these players as far as he can.
Manager not the problem-let’s admit it it’s the players.

To me do not look even close to scoring.
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Disappointed on 08:57 - Mar 10 with 407 viewsessextaxiboy

Disappointed on 19:36 - Mar 9 by Benny_the_Ball

Actually, Clive's analogy attracted up arrows. Again this shows the importance of reading carefully before responding!


Actually I demonstrated the importance of getting the wording correct .! I meant the OP was down arrowed ... 15 now
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Disappointed on 13:14 - Mar 10 with 162 viewsBenny_the_Ball

Disappointed on 08:57 - Mar 10 by essextaxiboy

Actually I demonstrated the importance of getting the wording correct .! I meant the OP was down arrowed ... 15 now


Either way, it demonstrates a propensity by some on this board to react too quickly. To be clear, not a criticism of you, just highlighting how easy it is to slip.

For me the Curbishley analogy reinforces the OP's point and demonstrates how perception alters reactions. Clive and the OP are broadly making the same point (that the manager isn't the problem) yet one gets umpteen up arrows, the other umpteen down arrows. It's as if some folk are paying more attention to who's talking rather than what's being said.
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Disappointed on 13:18 - Mar 10 with 153 viewsBenny_the_Ball

Disappointed on 21:10 - Mar 9 by stainrods_elbow

If MC has indeed taken the team as far as he can, the fairly obvious conclusion is that this mainly flags up his limits as a coach, I'd have thought.


Au contraire. If you read the OP's entire paragraph (as opposed to focusing on just the first sentence) then the obvious conclusion is that the players are limited and there's only so much that MC (or indeed any manager) can get out of them.

As the time-honoured saying goes, a manager is only as good as his players.
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Disappointed on 14:54 - Mar 10 with 68 viewsTheChef

Disappointed on 15:31 - Mar 9 by derbyhoop

There's a fair bit of guesswork in this thread.
1. Marti rested Varane and Frey, rather than them being injured
2. There's a major rebuild coming this Summer. Assumption that all OOC players are not going to be here.

Of course it was disappointing to lose. Hardly unprecedented. The issue for me was how little we created, especially against 10 men for 45.


Why is it that for like the last five years, every summer is a 'big summer'?

Are we just not very good at contract management and every year we have a shed load of players coming out of contract? (slightly rhetorical question)

I've no doubt in the ten games remaining Marti will do his best to keep the players honest, but with the loanees and the out of contract players I think the beach towels and whiff of factor 30 will be coming into play.

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Disappointed on 15:14 - Mar 10 with 16 viewsOldPedro

Disappointed on 14:54 - Mar 10 by TheChef

Why is it that for like the last five years, every summer is a 'big summer'?

Are we just not very good at contract management and every year we have a shed load of players coming out of contract? (slightly rhetorical question)

I've no doubt in the ten games remaining Marti will do his best to keep the players honest, but with the loanees and the out of contract players I think the beach towels and whiff of factor 30 will be coming into play.


I think it's just the way football and contracts are going. Lots of clubs seem to have a big turnover of players in the summer

Extra mature cheddar......a simple cheese for a simple man

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Disappointed on 15:15 - Mar 10 with 14 viewsstainrods_elbow

Disappointed on 13:14 - Mar 10 by Benny_the_Ball

Either way, it demonstrates a propensity by some on this board to react too quickly. To be clear, not a criticism of you, just highlighting how easy it is to slip.

For me the Curbishley analogy reinforces the OP's point and demonstrates how perception alters reactions. Clive and the OP are broadly making the same point (that the manager isn't the problem) yet one gets umpteen up arrows, the other umpteen down arrows. It's as if some folk are paying more attention to who's talking rather than what's being said.


Re your last sentence and LfW, in other news, the Pope has also been revealed to be a Catholic!

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