| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? 09:26 - Jan 29 with 773 views | AnotherJohn |
As we all know the UK, including Wales, struggles to get the number of trained nurses it needs. Closing the nursing degree programme at Cardiff Uni isn't going to help if it goes through.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/wales-best-nursing-college-earmarked-for-c
The question is: Did Cardiff choose to feature this department to make a point about the university funding crisis? [Post edited 29 Jan 12:16]
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| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 12:24 - Jan 29 with 696 views | AnotherJohn |
The pinch with university funding has intensified in the last year. Swansea is one of a number of UK universities that has a recent voluntary early severance scheme in operation (not the first), and a few of the senior nursing staff have either already taken the deal or are about to do so. I think one of the other regular posters works in that department and would know the situation this year. In any event, as the VC is saying that progress has been made in cutting costs, Swansea isn't doing anything as radical as Cardiff. at least for now, | | | |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 22:13 - Jan 29 with 616 views | Dr_Winston |
For decades Nurses managed with on the job training. Then came along New Labour and their insane desire to have 50% of school leavers go to University. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 01:55 - Jan 30 with 557 views | Robbie |
Boot out some of the nonsensical Degrees pupils achieve these days in subjects totally irrelevant to modern day living .
Diversity , Inclusion for all and acception of others is the main teaching aim on Fabian Way .
Heard that ethic first hand from a Student and family member who studied there .
Bring back the 3 rs , reading , writing and rithmatic , problem solved . [Post edited 30 Jan 2:03]
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| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 06:53 - Jan 30 with 512 views | Scotia |
Like it or not Universities are businesses now, the biggest private employers in many towns, including Swansea. Universities won't cut courses that make money and nursing isn't one of them
They're dependent on attracting foreign students who contribute vastly more funds than British students. Nurses can become nurses in their own country, they don't need to spend a fortune to study in the UK.
The last government made that considerably more difficult and this is the result. It will continue. | | | |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 14:51 - Jan 30 with 448 views | AnotherJohn |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 06:53 - Jan 30 by Scotia |
Like it or not Universities are businesses now, the biggest private employers in many towns, including Swansea. Universities won't cut courses that make money and nursing isn't one of them
They're dependent on attracting foreign students who contribute vastly more funds than British students. Nurses can become nurses in their own country, they don't need to spend a fortune to study in the UK.
The last government made that considerably more difficult and this is the result. It will continue. |
Indeed, very few nursing students in Wales are overseas students. | | | |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 12:15 - Feb 1 with 343 views | controversial_jack |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 22:13 - Jan 29 by Dr_Winston |
For decades Nurses managed with on the job training. Then came along New Labour and their insane desire to have 50% of school leavers go to University. |
I believe nurses in most advanced countries need degrees | | | |
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| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 12:59 - Feb 1 with 300 views | AnotherJohn |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 12:15 - Feb 1 by controversial_jack |
I believe nurses in most advanced countries need degrees |
Yes, that is correct. Advocates of the change to university education associated with Project 2000 in the UK will say that nursing is now much more technical than in the old days of caring, "bedpan" nursing practice. However, one complication to bear in mind is that the occupational landscape in the UK has changed, so that there are still roles that provide basic care. In the old days we had the SRNs (state registered nurses), typically with 3 years nursing college training, and lower status SENs (state enrolled nurses) with 2 years training. It isn't much of a stretch to say that today's graduate staff nurses have taken on a modernised SRN role, while today's health care assistants do many of the things SENs did. Neither SENs or HCAs need to a degree and much of the basic care is delegated to HCAs. That being said there are more nurses (over 33,000) than HCAs (around 6500) in NHS Wales, so the balance has changed towards a greater % with advanced training. Interestingly, some commentators want to bring SENs back as a role with more training that HCAs but less than registered nurses with degrees. [Post edited 1 Feb 13:46]
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| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 13:25 - Feb 1 with 253 views | onehunglow |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 12:59 - Feb 1 by AnotherJohn |
Yes, that is correct. Advocates of the change to university education associated with Project 2000 in the UK will say that nursing is now much more technical than in the old days of caring, "bedpan" nursing practice. However, one complication to bear in mind is that the occupational landscape in the UK has changed, so that there are still roles that provide basic care. In the old days we had the SRNs (state registered nurses), typically with 3 years nursing college training, and lower status SENs (state enrolled nurses) with 2 years training. It isn't much of a stretch to say that today's graduate staff nurses have taken on a modernised SRN role, while today's health care assistants do many of the things SENs did. Neither SENs or HCAs need to a degree and much of the basic care is delegated to HCAs. That being said there are more nurses (over 33,000) than HCAs (around 6500) in NHS Wales, so the balance has changed towards a greater % with advanced training. Interestingly, some commentators want to bring SENs back as a role with more training that HCAs but less than registered nurses with degrees. [Post edited 1 Feb 13:46]
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Kids
You don’t need a degree to get on in life
My son has a good masters and has never had a job related to his degree.
Daughter could have gone but preferred to get stuck in early.
She’s done rather well for herself and had no debt at all ,even at 22 yrs of age
I paid off my son’ loan and had to have a lie down afterwards | |
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| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 13:55 - Feb 1 with 219 views | AnotherJohn |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 13:25 - Feb 1 by onehunglow |
Kids
You don’t need a degree to get on in life
My son has a good masters and has never had a job related to his degree.
Daughter could have gone but preferred to get stuck in early.
She’s done rather well for herself and had no debt at all ,even at 22 yrs of age
I paid off my son’ loan and had to have a lie down afterwards |
I make three payments per year for my son's uni course in engineering, and 33% of the annual fee is due on Monday - painful. | | | |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 14:04 - Feb 1 with 215 views | onehunglow |
| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 13:55 - Feb 1 by AnotherJohn |
I make three payments per year for my son's uni course in engineering, and 33% of the annual fee is due on Monday - painful. |
Hope he makes use of it and makes you proud
He should realise what a great dad you are
My son classes himself as forking English but he still gets part of my estate when I stuff it | |
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| Will the university funding crisis mean a fall in nursing training numbers? on 08:01 - Feb 4 with 89 views | AnotherJohn |
Interestingly, the latest figures show that applications for pre-reg nursing degree courses in Wales were rising again in 2024 after an earlier dip, including a surprising rise in applications from outside the UK. I wonder if this will make Cardiff reconsider its plans.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/applications-to-study-nursing-in-wales-ris | | | |
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