| The Nasty Party on 19:57 - Apr 23 with 1486 views | LeonWasGod |
| The Nasty Party on 17:02 - Apr 23 by Highjack |
The press are becoming increasingly irrelevant. They tend to follow rather than lead anyway. The Sun switched to labour when it became clear Blair was going to win. They switched back when it became clear Brown would lose. |
I’m fairly sure it’s more to do with who will offer them what they want, rather than following a trend. At the time you were talking about The Sun was hugely influential in the election campaigns. I remember seeing an interview or documentary about this where Campbell explained the efforts they went to ahead of Blair’s first victory to court Murdoch, as their support was so vital. It’s all about scratching backs around press regulation.
I know printed papers are very much in the decline, but there’s still people who hang on their every word. And the online presence is pretty big. Mail Online was the largest English speaking ‘news’ service in the world not that long ago with over 60 million unique visitors a year. |  | |  |
| The Nasty Party on 19:58 - Apr 23 with 1486 views | Darran |
| The Nasty Party on 19:56 - Apr 23 by Ebo |
Yet anything you disagree with Dar is met with "sack him" or "he should get the death sentence for that"
Pot.kettle and all that |
How is that pot kettle and all that I’m not the one pretending to be a liberal,you are though. |  |
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| The Nasty Party on 20:12 - Apr 23 with 1472 views | Catullus |
| The Nasty Party on 19:54 - Apr 23 by Ebo |
He was very very close Andrew due to his policies which are far removed from that of Blair.
Now, this dossier has emerged, I am intrigued by its contents. If Starmer wants to win everyone over he needs to act now on this otherwise the party will not unite and they will be back to square one. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 19:55]
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He was very close to beating May who was a weak willed incompetent who ran a terrible campaign.
He got a good walloping by Bojo. If you can't see how bad that is there's no helping you.
Starmer needs to unite the party so he needs the Momentum lot, the far left of Labour to step into line and behave or to bu&&er off for ever.
If Labour is still infighting over this it is just carrying on the self harming and Bojo will be loving it. |  |
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| The Nasty Party on 20:15 - Apr 23 with 1469 views | Best_loser |
| The Nasty Party on 19:54 - Apr 23 by Ebo |
He was very very close Andrew due to his policies which are far removed from that of Blair.
Now, this dossier has emerged, I am intrigued by its contents. If Starmer wants to win everyone over he needs to act now on this otherwise the party will not unite and they will be back to square one. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 19:55]
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Or was it just an anti government backlash by remainers who were normally inclined to vote tory |  | | |
| The Nasty Party on 20:23 - Apr 23 with 1459 views | Ebo |
| The Nasty Party on 20:12 - Apr 23 by Catullus |
He was very close to beating May who was a weak willed incompetent who ran a terrible campaign.
He got a good walloping by Bojo. If you can't see how bad that is there's no helping you.
Starmer needs to unite the party so he needs the Momentum lot, the far left of Labour to step into line and behave or to bu&&er off for ever.
If Labour is still infighting over this it is just carrying on the self harming and Bojo will be loving it. |
Read my earlier post and the link I provided. It gives you an insight into why he went from the biggest post-war swing to a complete collapse.
If Starmer wants to unite the party he needs to act on those who are in that dossier, failing to do so makes him no different from Corbyn. |  |
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| The Nasty Party on 20:27 - Apr 23 with 1450 views | Darran |
| The Nasty Party on 20:23 - Apr 23 by Ebo |
Read my earlier post and the link I provided. It gives you an insight into why he went from the biggest post-war swing to a complete collapse.
If Starmer wants to unite the party he needs to act on those who are in that dossier, failing to do so makes him no different from Corbyn. |
Corbyn No different? He’s never done anything wrong according to you.  | |
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| The Nasty Party on 20:36 - Apr 23 with 1435 views | chad |
| The Nasty Party on 19:48 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy |
But more people voted Labour in 2017 than they had in decades. It was Corbyn’s moment of triumph despite still losing. |
Too true, I recall he was so excited about how well he’d done, he got confused and said he had won the election. Dream on sweet prince. |  | | |
| The Nasty Party on 20:38 - Apr 23 with 1430 views | Darran |
| The Nasty Party on 20:36 - Apr 23 by chad |
Too true, I recall he was so excited about how well he’d done, he got confused and said he had won the election. Dream on sweet prince. |
I remember people saying the day after it was the best possible result.
He lost. | |
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| The Nasty Party on 20:39 - Apr 23 with 1427 views | Catullus |
| The Nasty Party on 20:23 - Apr 23 by Ebo |
Read my earlier post and the link I provided. It gives you an insight into why he went from the biggest post-war swing to a complete collapse.
If Starmer wants to unite the party he needs to act on those who are in that dossier, failing to do so makes him no different from Corbyn. |
That dossier, the one that was compiled by Corbyn supporters you mean? Those same Corbynistas who probably leaked the dossier that says senior figures worked against Corbyn.
It's not like Labour candidates were having doorstep converstaions and being told 'we can't/won't vote for Jeremy'
Momentum don't want to let go and if they don't it could cripple Labour for years. Starmer has even said it could keep Labour out of power for a generation unless they unite.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/22/keir-starmer-warns-labour-to-un | |
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| The Nasty Party on 20:40 - Apr 23 with 1422 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Nasty Party on 20:38 - Apr 23 by Darran |
I remember people saying the day after it was the best possible result.
He lost. |
I said that and I stand by it. |  |
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| The Nasty Party on 20:49 - Apr 23 with 1408 views | Ace_Jack |
What Ebo doesn’t realise is Starmer could only win the leadership with the votes of people who joined the party in 2015 to support Corbyn. Despite RLB only getting 25% of the membership vote, Ebo and their ilk think they are the only ones correct and moral enough to lead the labour party because anything less than their idealogical purism is faux socialism and a betrayal of the working class. The Labour Party is actually better off without cranks like him so no he won’t be missed in the slightest. They can’t win an election and never will so it’s just easier to manufacture betrayal narratives. It’s always someone else’s fault see.
Far better for a more moderate and competent Labour Party to attract people who previously voted Tory or Lib Dem than it is to lunge to the hard left, scooping up the unwashed f**k nut SWP vote. |  | | |
| The Nasty Party on 20:53 - Apr 23 with 1404 views | Darran |
| The Nasty Party on 20:40 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy |
I said that and I stand by it. |
Yeah but the best possible result would have been a win mun. | |
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| The Nasty Party on 20:55 - Apr 23 with 1399 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Nasty Party on 20:53 - Apr 23 by Darran |
Yeah but the best possible result would have been a win mun. |
Not for me it wouldn’t. I didn’t want a majority government of any kind in 2017. Or 2019 for that matter. One out of two ain’t bad. | |
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| The Nasty Party on 21:02 - Apr 23 with 1391 views | Headmaster |
| The Nasty Party on 20:39 - Apr 23 by Catullus |
That dossier, the one that was compiled by Corbyn supporters you mean? Those same Corbynistas who probably leaked the dossier that says senior figures worked against Corbyn.
It's not like Labour candidates were having doorstep converstaions and being told 'we can't/won't vote for Jeremy'
Momentum don't want to let go and if they don't it could cripple Labour for years. Starmer has even said it could keep Labour out of power for a generation unless they unite.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/22/keir-starmer-warns-labour-to-un |
Starmer has apparently said that the investigation does not preclude disciplinary action against those accused in the report. There was an NEC meeting to discuss it. You can't just simply pass it off as a Corbynite conspiracy.
A bunch of factional cranks in Labour HQ apparently thought anyone to the left of Brown was a Trot. This is the type of culture embedded in Labour, not to mention the alleged bullying and abuse. And no, I'm not a "Corbynite" or any other "ite". Until this culture is eradicated, Labour will continue to be irrelevant. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 21:22]
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| The Nasty Party on 21:11 - Apr 23 with 1375 views | Catullus |
| The Nasty Party on 21:02 - Apr 23 by Headmaster |
Starmer has apparently said that the investigation does not preclude disciplinary action against those accused in the report. There was an NEC meeting to discuss it. You can't just simply pass it off as a Corbynite conspiracy.
A bunch of factional cranks in Labour HQ apparently thought anyone to the left of Brown was a Trot. This is the type of culture embedded in Labour, not to mention the alleged bullying and abuse. And no, I'm not a "Corbynite" or any other "ite". Until this culture is eradicated, Labour will continue to be irrelevant. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 21:22]
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Sorry, yes, there is a lot more to it than Corbynistas slinging mud or defending Corbyn. The fact remains though, until all factions stop fighting and unite nehind Starmer they are still self harming.
I got a bit carried away with the Corbynite part of it because there are some on here who will never accept Corbyn is to blame for anything! | |
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| The Nasty Party on 21:40 - Apr 23 with 1345 views | Ace_Jack |
| The Nasty Party on 19:54 - Apr 23 by Ebo |
He was very very close Andrew due to his policies which are far removed from that of Blair.
Now, this dossier has emerged, I am intrigued by its contents. If Starmer wants to win everyone over he needs to act now on this otherwise the party will not unite and they will be back to square one. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 19:55]
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The only people I’ve seen mentioning the dossier are cranks. No one cares apart from cranks. | | | |
| The Nasty Party on 21:43 - Apr 23 with 1341 views | Ace_Jack |
| The Nasty Party on 20:23 - Apr 23 by Ebo |
Read my earlier post and the link I provided. It gives you an insight into why he went from the biggest post-war swing to a complete collapse.
If Starmer wants to unite the party he needs to act on those who are in that dossier, failing to do so makes him no different from Corbyn. |
The reason we collapsed in 2019 was because of staff betraying the dear leader in 2017 apparently.
Funny how the staff who hated him achieved a better result than when the corbyn loyalists were in full control. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 21:50]
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| The Nasty Party on 21:44 - Apr 23 with 1336 views | Darran |
| The Nasty Party on 21:40 - Apr 23 by Ace_Jack |
The only people I’ve seen mentioning the dossier are cranks. No one cares apart from cranks. |
Ebos mentioned it loads of times. | |
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| The Nasty Party on 23:48 - Apr 23 with 1287 views | DJack |
| The Nasty Party on 19:43 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy |
History tells us otherwise. What post-war history has consistently proved is that people won’t vote for the kind of divisive, hate-fuelled and destructive leftism espoused by you and Corbyn. |
This, in spades. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| The Nasty Party on 08:24 - Apr 24 with 1229 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Nasty Party on 19:47 - Apr 23 by Ebo |
Not after his Iraq war policies Winston. People still won't vote labour because of it. |
Blairite, not Blair... |  | | |
| The Nasty Party on 08:48 - Apr 24 with 1215 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The Nasty Party on 19:48 - Apr 23 by exiledclaseboy |
But more people voted Labour in 2017 than they had in decades. It was Corbyn’s moment of triumph despite still losing. |
Ironic really , seeing how the Watsons and Kinnocks of this world were hoping he’d lose anyway so he could be got rid of. I’ve seen the figure (somewhere, I can’t remember where and I can’t be bothered to look) that it was under 5000 votes that kept Labour out in 2017.
Every one of those people who worked against him allowed the Tories in and 3 more years of austerity have added to the woes of the NHS , and look where that’s left us.
This thread has reminded me why I don’t seek out posters on here on match days for a beer.
And if Acejack and Darren or the “New Labour Party” I don’t think I’ll even bother voting anymore !
Ebo, don’t waste your breath mate! |  |
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| The Nasty Party on 10:25 - Apr 24 with 1196 views | Ace_Jack |
| The Nasty Party on 08:48 - Apr 24 by Brynmill_Jack |
Ironic really , seeing how the Watsons and Kinnocks of this world were hoping he’d lose anyway so he could be got rid of. I’ve seen the figure (somewhere, I can’t remember where and I can’t be bothered to look) that it was under 5000 votes that kept Labour out in 2017.
Every one of those people who worked against him allowed the Tories in and 3 more years of austerity have added to the woes of the NHS , and look where that’s left us.
This thread has reminded me why I don’t seek out posters on here on match days for a beer.
And if Acejack and Darren or the “New Labour Party” I don’t think I’ll even bother voting anymore !
Ebo, don’t waste your breath mate! |
Labour weren't 5000 votes from forming a government. They were about 3000 votes off winning enough constituencies by one vote each to being able to form a rainbow coalition with a majority of 1.
Again, the Labour party doesn't need to contort itself into a hard left mess just to appease oversensitive socialists who threaten to flounce out every time they don't get their way.
In an ideal world I'd want a much more left wing labour party but I know that way oblivion lies, so I'd rather live in a country where we can elect a labour party that will do some of the things I want rather than a Tory party that wont do anything I want. Unlike the wealthy socialists who dwell in the west of Swansea, I don't have the luxury of waiting for the perfect Labour government to appear. | | | |
| The Nasty Party on 10:37 - Apr 24 with 1189 views | Darran |
”This thread has reminded me why I don’t seek out posters on here on match days for a beer”
Fuçk my eyes. | |
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| The Nasty Party on 10:57 - Apr 24 with 1175 views | Highjack |
| The Nasty Party on 21:43 - Apr 23 by Ace_Jack |
The reason we collapsed in 2019 was because of staff betraying the dear leader in 2017 apparently.
Funny how the staff who hated him achieved a better result than when the corbyn loyalists were in full control. [Post edited 23 Apr 2020 21:50]
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In 2017 labour promised to go ahead with brexit. For the next two years they refused to take a solid position suggesting their strategy was to “keep all options on the table”. In 2019 they said they’d negotiate a new deal, then campaign against it in a referendum, effectively becoming a remain party. Do you think this contributed to a loss of votes from 2017? Especially in areas where Farage’s lot got 15%+ of the vote?
This was with Sir Keir in charge of brexit policy too, allegedly. |  |
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| The Nasty Party on 11:32 - Apr 24 with 1161 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Nasty Party on 10:57 - Apr 24 by Highjack |
In 2017 labour promised to go ahead with brexit. For the next two years they refused to take a solid position suggesting their strategy was to “keep all options on the table”. In 2019 they said they’d negotiate a new deal, then campaign against it in a referendum, effectively becoming a remain party. Do you think this contributed to a loss of votes from 2017? Especially in areas where Farage’s lot got 15%+ of the vote?
This was with Sir Keir in charge of brexit policy too, allegedly. |
He wasn't in charge of "policy" - Corbyn, Milne and McCluskey were.
I use the word policy loosely, very loosely. | | | |
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