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The place is a dilapidated dump which the local council cannot afford to maintain. It's not as if they are gifting the land to QPR. As I understand it it will be on a long lease, presumably with some ground rent payable. For that they get a restored community asset. From all I read, QPR are sensitive to local needs, as demonstrated by the QPR Community Trust, and have promised community access as well. Instead of sounding off inthe local media this guy would be well advised to speak to QPR and see if his concerns could be allayed.
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 10:46 - Aug 2 with 8535 views
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 10:28 - Aug 2 by derbyhoop
Rewilding FFS!!!!
The place is a dilapidated dump which the local council cannot afford to maintain. It's not as if they are gifting the land to QPR. As I understand it it will be on a long lease, presumably with some ground rent payable. For that they get a restored community asset. From all I read, QPR are sensitive to local needs, as demonstrated by the QPR Community Trust, and have promised community access as well. Instead of sounding off inthe local media this guy would be well advised to speak to QPR and see if his concerns could be allayed.
I think this is all because of what Les did to the Blue Peter garden.
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 11:53 - Aug 2 with 8378 views
"handed over 61 acres of prime Metropolitan Land (Green Belt) to QPR Football Club for free" - We have to provide, through the construction and maintenance of, community sports facilities. That's not free.
"billion-pound football club" but also "financial pressures at QPR Football Club" - Can't be both can it.
"violated the terms of Metropolitan Open Land, contravened the Mayor’s London Plan, and was condemned by local and national environmental groups" - Yet the courts, at every single level, agreed with Ealing Council's decision.
"These objections were swept aside with a combination of Ealing Council’s assistance and the expensive legal firm that QPR employed and unfortunately the poor people of Ealing didn’t stand a chance." - Save Warren Farm took it to court, not Ealing Council or QPR. They lost every time but kept going back for more. Can't plead poverty and poor little me now. Did they expect QPR's legal firm to be a bunch of nobodies.
"Due to the dilapidated state of Warren Farm and the complete neglect by Ealing Council since the ‘sale’" - Since the sale?!? It was neglected long before that.
“Given that we are at a time of decimation of wild species across the world, it is so exciting to see how quickly nature bounces back when spaces are left to rewild.” - So the 1/3 of Warren Farm that won't be used for QPR or community facilities will be left to become wild yes? I doubt it, I expect the dog walkers etc will want to use the space.
"dump 180,000 cubic metres of “Landfill” on to the natural habitats" - Nice use of "dump" and "landfill" to make it sound like we'll be fly-tipping and dumping waste on the site when it'll actually be excavated earth in order to level the site.
"For the sake of the future of all the country’s wildlife, Warren Farm’s current flourishing wildlife, and the air that we all breath: I urge you Christopher Lee of Populous Architects, you QPR Chairman Amit Bhatia, you Julian Bell of Ealing Council, and you Sadiq Khan Mayor of London to reconsider." - Just pathetic.
What a load of nonsense. Same could be said for any area left untouched. Nature just takes over. What about all the developers building in the so called green belt around london.. Fly over England and look down, acres and acres of green space.
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 12:01 - Aug 2 with 8326 views
surely the fecking birds have flown the nests now? we should be in like flint and start doing stuff. once we do the 'activists' can do one, as its done.
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 11:53 - Aug 2 by MedwayR
Utter drivel.
"handed over 61 acres of prime Metropolitan Land (Green Belt) to QPR Football Club for free" - We have to provide, through the construction and maintenance of, community sports facilities. That's not free.
"billion-pound football club" but also "financial pressures at QPR Football Club" - Can't be both can it.
"violated the terms of Metropolitan Open Land, contravened the Mayor’s London Plan, and was condemned by local and national environmental groups" - Yet the courts, at every single level, agreed with Ealing Council's decision.
"These objections were swept aside with a combination of Ealing Council’s assistance and the expensive legal firm that QPR employed and unfortunately the poor people of Ealing didn’t stand a chance." - Save Warren Farm took it to court, not Ealing Council or QPR. They lost every time but kept going back for more. Can't plead poverty and poor little me now. Did they expect QPR's legal firm to be a bunch of nobodies.
"Due to the dilapidated state of Warren Farm and the complete neglect by Ealing Council since the ‘sale’" - Since the sale?!? It was neglected long before that.
“Given that we are at a time of decimation of wild species across the world, it is so exciting to see how quickly nature bounces back when spaces are left to rewild.” - So the 1/3 of Warren Farm that won't be used for QPR or community facilities will be left to become wild yes? I doubt it, I expect the dog walkers etc will want to use the space.
"dump 180,000 cubic metres of “Landfill” on to the natural habitats" - Nice use of "dump" and "landfill" to make it sound like we'll be fly-tipping and dumping waste on the site when it'll actually be excavated earth in order to level the site.
"For the sake of the future of all the country’s wildlife, Warren Farm’s current flourishing wildlife, and the air that we all breath: I urge you Christopher Lee of Populous Architects, you QPR Chairman Amit Bhatia, you Julian Bell of Ealing Council, and you Sadiq Khan Mayor of London to reconsider." - Just pathetic.
A lot of excellent rebuttals there, but just goes to show, they are getting out there and drumming up support, while we are left to play catch up, refuting their lies.
The sooner it gets started, the sooner everyone will get used to the idea of the project.
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 12:02 - Aug 2 by RangersDave
surely the fecking birds have flown the nests now? we should be in like flint and start doing stuff. once we do the 'activists' can do one, as its done.
There are loads of really good ecological design routes around this objection. High standard ecological building design, habitat creation and native plantings. There is sbdolutely no reason why a football training facility has to be destructive of opportunities for rewilding, on the contrary. Just for a start, Spurs have an organic garden providing players' food. I'd like to see the Green Party up in arms to stop a renewably powered, green roofed, rainwater harvesting, habitat providing building development surrounded by native wild plantings and with an organic fruit and vegetable garden attached. Any questions?
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 12:33 - Aug 2 with 8194 views
@savewarrenfarm appears to have morphed into, or maybe spawned is more appropriate, @HanwellNature Having ultimately lost the legal battles, the new angle of attack is to launch a cleverly crafted guilt-trip campaign. The board needs to re-frame this quickly before it really gets out of hand.
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 12:49 - Aug 2 with 8131 views
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 12:33 - Aug 2 by Kensal_Ranger
@savewarrenfarm appears to have morphed into, or maybe spawned is more appropriate, @HanwellNature Having ultimately lost the legal battles, the new angle of attack is to launch a cleverly crafted guilt-trip campaign. The board needs to re-frame this quickly before it really gets out of hand.
They're flooding social media with it. I'd guess QPR are choosing to ignore to avoid getting involved in a detailed argument about individual species. When the work starts, QPR need to highlight the environmental, economic and social benefits of the proposed work. If that means adapting some of the plans to recognise some concerns, water use, energy use, etc, this should be couched as a response to the concerns being raised now.
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 12:15 - Aug 2 by kropotkin41
There are loads of really good ecological design routes around this objection. High standard ecological building design, habitat creation and native plantings. There is sbdolutely no reason why a football training facility has to be destructive of opportunities for rewilding, on the contrary. Just for a start, Spurs have an organic garden providing players' food. I'd like to see the Green Party up in arms to stop a renewably powered, green roofed, rainwater harvesting, habitat providing building development surrounded by native wild plantings and with an organic fruit and vegetable garden attached. Any questions?
You, Sir, have nailed it.
If we can get a decent, sustainable design in place that is sympathetic to the natural setting and could even act as an exemplar to other architects and developers, I think we would actually provide what it is they think Warren Farm should be.
The whole 'Garden City' thing put forward by the Government a few years back never really took off but a project of this type could actually kick start a planning revolution. Architects have been proposing vertical horticulture (not 'uphill gardening', you filthy beasts) and green walls / roofs for years: why not show how it could actually work?
'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 13:10 - Aug 2 with 8066 views
This ijit has only piped up because he's noticed that works are yet to commence.
I urge you Christopher Lee of Populous Architects, you QPR Chairman Amit Bhatia, you Julian Bell of Ealing Council, and you Sadiq Khan Mayor of London - can we just get on with it please.
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 13:12 - Aug 2 with 8051 views
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 11:59 - Aug 2 by PunteR
What a load of nonsense. Same could be said for any area left untouched. Nature just takes over. What about all the developers building in the so called green belt around london.. Fly over England and look down, acres and acres of green space.
"Same could be said for any area left untouched. Nature just takes over". That is exactly what I was about to say.
I am hugely into sustainability and green issues but that site is not going to remain as it is. If it doesn't end up being our training ground, it will end up a housing estate.
Perhaps one of us should put in a planning application for a nuclear power station. That might focus their minds
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 13:17 - Aug 2 with 8021 views
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 13:06 - Aug 2 by Dorse
You, Sir, have nailed it.
If we can get a decent, sustainable design in place that is sympathetic to the natural setting and could even act as an exemplar to other architects and developers, I think we would actually provide what it is they think Warren Farm should be.
The whole 'Garden City' thing put forward by the Government a few years back never really took off but a project of this type could actually kick start a planning revolution. Architects have been proposing vertical horticulture (not 'uphill gardening', you filthy beasts) and green walls / roofs for years: why not show how it could actually work?
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 13:48 - Aug 2 with 7913 views
Has it really been 5 years? I live in Hanwell and can see their point to some extent, what's happened over there is interesting. Having played over there on many occasions, what was there was a indeed a dump and anyone who had used the pitch and "facilities" there couldn't argue with that. Anyway I don't think it'll happen now, we seem to be incapable of getting a spade into the ground, add to that our lack of cash I think it'll end up be developed in some other way.
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 15:01 - Aug 2 with 7755 views
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 13:58 - Aug 2 by w7r
Has it really been 5 years? I live in Hanwell and can see their point to some extent, what's happened over there is interesting. Having played over there on many occasions, what was there was a indeed a dump and anyone who had used the pitch and "facilities" there couldn't argue with that. Anyway I don't think it'll happen now, we seem to be incapable of getting a spade into the ground, add to that our lack of cash I think it'll end up be developed in some other way.
As well you know W7 there are plenty of alternatives in the area Trumper way 3fields The reclaimed land fill from M4 to the long wood as well as parts of elthorn pk , I make it a storm in a tea cup that suits the owners due to the delays
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 15:24 - Aug 2 with 7701 views
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 15:01 - Aug 2 by hoopdog
As well you know W7 there are plenty of alternatives in the area Trumper way 3fields The reclaimed land fill from M4 to the long wood as well as parts of elthorn pk , I make it a storm in a tea cup that suits the owners due to the delays
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It probably does suit the owners to some extent, which to me indicates they may be cooling on the idea. If they really are intent why aren't they making noises about it and getting the work started? The new TG was being trumpeted as one way to make the club more attractive to young talent, enabling us to develop and sell on for a profit, if I remember correctly that was being spoken of as key component to our future, self-sustaining business model.
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Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 15:43 - Aug 2 with 7654 views
Green Party wades into Warren Farm on 13:10 - Aug 2 by Benny_the_Ball
This ijit has only piped up because he's noticed that works are yet to commence.
I urge you Christopher Lee of Populous Architects, you QPR Chairman Amit Bhatia, you Julian Bell of Ealing Council, and you Sadiq Khan Mayor of London - can we just get on with it please.
I hope i’m wrong but let’s be honest, this is never going to be built under these owners is it?
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