| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 16:55 - Jun 26 with 1559 views | Lohengrin |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 16:27 - Jun 26 by E20Jack |
You have a warped view of racism, indicative of the society and victim culture we live in, in which constantly shows you are not alone in that incorrect view of racism.
Racism is not really subjective. Racism is intent, it is a belief or an action based on that belief (that one race is intrinsically superior to another). That means it is not up for someone else to decide if something is racist based on if they are offended or not, it is down to the reasoning behind the the utterance or action which can only be accurately portrayed by the person who said/did it or failing that the balance of evidence to suggest one way or another regarding the belief or motivation behind it.
As the ever refreshing Ricky Gervais puts it:- Just because you are offended, it doesn’t mean you are right. [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 16:45]
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No it’s not. ‘Racism’ was a contraction coined by Leon Trostsky specifically designed for use as a pejorative bludgeon to be used ad nauseam on those who cleave to the idea of the Nation and organic culture.
It has been communism’s one enduring success. |  |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:03 - Jun 26 with 1546 views | Wingstandwood |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 16:27 - Jun 26 by E20Jack |
You have a warped view of racism, indicative of the society and victim culture we live in, in which constantly shows you are not alone in that incorrect view of racism.
Racism is not really subjective. Racism is intent, it is a belief or an action based on that belief (that one race is intrinsically superior to another). That means it is not up for someone else to decide if something is racist based on if they are offended or not, it is down to the reasoning behind the the utterance or action which can only be accurately portrayed by the person who said/did it or failing that the balance of evidence to suggest one way or another regarding the belief or motivation behind it.
As the ever refreshing Ricky Gervais puts it:- Just because you are offended, it doesn’t mean you are right. [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 16:45]
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We’re living in a very sick society! Sometimes the offence is totally manufactured and phony just so that the accuser of racism can look a superior and Mr or Mrs ‘right-on’.
I had to justify to a relative to why I called a black musician ‘black’ not so long back. Apparently (in his mind) I had gratuitously used the term ‘black’ without enough reason to do so. I got off because I explained I was interrupted and not allowed to further elaborate that the band the musician was playing in looked like a stereotypical New Orleans jazz combo. Thus it was only natural to refer to colour!
What makes the whole thing so preposterous is?... My PC-loon relative (after telling him) had previously mocked, rubbished and taken the piss out of aid volunteers and a particular charitable organisation that had saved black Ebola victims. My relatives lack of respect and appreciation for black lives saved sort of told me something very profound about the true validity/authenticity of his ‘offence’. |  |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:07 - Jun 26 with 1535 views | E20Jack |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 16:55 - Jun 26 by Lohengrin |
No it’s not. ‘Racism’ was a contraction coined by Leon Trostsky specifically designed for use as a pejorative bludgeon to be used ad nauseam on those who cleave to the idea of the Nation and organic culture.
It has been communism’s one enduring success. |
It’s not what? That is the definition of racism. It is based on the belief behind the utterance, not how offended someone gets by it.
A prime example being me accusing a cereal company for anthropomorphising a monkey on its popular cereal box. I can claim to be offended on the grounds of racism, but unless the intent behind the design was due to a belief that one race is superior to the other then it is not racist no matter how offended I pretend to be.
racism
ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit
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prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. |  |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:13 - Jun 26 with 1521 views | WarwickHunt |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 15:58 - Jun 26 by jackal |
I'm watching a film now, made in the 50's.
There's a woman wearing a leopard skin coat.
Someone phone the Born- Free foundation. |
History’s a bastard, innit.
BAN IT NOW! |  | | |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:13 - Jun 26 with 1521 views | E20Jack |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:03 - Jun 26 by Wingstandwood |
We’re living in a very sick society! Sometimes the offence is totally manufactured and phony just so that the accuser of racism can look a superior and Mr or Mrs ‘right-on’.
I had to justify to a relative to why I called a black musician ‘black’ not so long back. Apparently (in his mind) I had gratuitously used the term ‘black’ without enough reason to do so. I got off because I explained I was interrupted and not allowed to further elaborate that the band the musician was playing in looked like a stereotypical New Orleans jazz combo. Thus it was only natural to refer to colour!
What makes the whole thing so preposterous is?... My PC-loon relative (after telling him) had previously mocked, rubbished and taken the piss out of aid volunteers and a particular charitable organisation that had saved black Ebola victims. My relatives lack of respect and appreciation for black lives saved sort of told me something very profound about the true validity/authenticity of his ‘offence’. |
I saw something the other day where there was a debate regarding trans people and their preferred pronouns - more specifically the law in Canada compelling the “correct” use of language. The lobbyists shouted down any views of white men on the basis that they were “white males”. But of course that isn’t racist or sexist according to liberals.
It’s the inconsistencies with these people that shocks me more than anything. | |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:15 - Jun 26 with 1510 views | jackal |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 16:48 - Jun 26 by Lord_Bony |
Farkin spot on son.
If these pc nazies dont like the film then dont watch it.
Dont ruin it for the rest of us.
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You've changed your tune.
It was "Well said Ump" when he was supporting the ban. |  | | |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:17 - Jun 26 with 1506 views | Wingstandwood |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:13 - Jun 26 by E20Jack |
I saw something the other day where there was a debate regarding trans people and their preferred pronouns - more specifically the law in Canada compelling the “correct” use of language. The lobbyists shouted down any views of white men on the basis that they were “white males”. But of course that isn’t racist or sexist according to liberals.
It’s the inconsistencies with these people that shocks me more than anything. |
Aye, its the hypocrisy, lack of consistency, lack of morals and lack of awareness of individuals that scream tolerance but will maliciously smear an innocent with a racist or bigot label. | |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:23 - Jun 26 with 1495 views | WarwickHunt |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:07 - Jun 26 by E20Jack |
It’s not what? That is the definition of racism. It is based on the belief behind the utterance, not how offended someone gets by it.
A prime example being me accusing a cereal company for anthropomorphising a monkey on its popular cereal box. I can claim to be offended on the grounds of racism, but unless the intent behind the design was due to a belief that one race is superior to the other then it is not racist no matter how offended I pretend to be.
racism
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prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. |
Spot on. Anyone spouting a mindless, kneejerk racism accusation should be made to write the definition out a thousand times.
Mentionmg someone’s race isn’t inherently racist... | | | |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:40 - Jun 26 with 1448 views | Shaky |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:07 - Jun 26 by E20Jack |
It’s not what? That is the definition of racism. It is based on the belief behind the utterance, not how offended someone gets by it.
A prime example being me accusing a cereal company for anthropomorphising a monkey on its popular cereal box. I can claim to be offended on the grounds of racism, but unless the intent behind the design was due to a belief that one race is superior to the other then it is not racist no matter how offended I pretend to be.
racism
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prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. |
Interesting, I see you are getting your dictionary definition from Google.
And in this case it is a poor one, because "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism" are not required to meet the proper definition of racism, merely a belief in the innate inferiority or superiority of a race or defined populace. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:45 - Jun 26 with 1437 views | Lord_Bony |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:15 - Jun 26 by jackal |
You've changed your tune.
It was "Well said Ump" when he was supporting the ban. |
I were avin a laff.
Hump is a great comedian.
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:03 - Jun 26 with 1392 views | Darran |
I like Hump,last year I posted about the new Argos pet insurance campaign which said “why should pet insurance cost an arm and a leg?”
I mentioned soldiers coming back from the war.
Humpty reckoned I was taking the piss out of them.
He seemed to be very offended. |  |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:07 - Jun 26 with 1389 views | E20Jack |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:40 - Jun 26 by Shaky |
Interesting, I see you are getting your dictionary definition from Google.
And in this case it is a poor one, because "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism" are not required to meet the proper definition of racism, merely a belief in the innate inferiority or superiority of a race or defined populace. |
I did not mention anything to do with antagonism, prejudice or discrimination. That just happened to form part of the definition used which showed that racism is not subjectively determined by offence which expanded to give examples of how it is administered.
My point from the outset has been that racism is not deemed by how offended you are but by the belief behind the utterance or action.
A stark change of tune from your opening effort on page 1 (unless you have evidence to determine the racist definition we both agree on that is the driving force behind the film by the makers).
Glad you now agree. [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 18:12]
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:12 - Jun 26 with 1374 views | Lohengrin |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 17:40 - Jun 26 by Shaky |
Interesting, I see you are getting your dictionary definition from Google.
And in this case it is a poor one, because "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism" are not required to meet the proper definition of racism, merely a belief in the innate inferiority or superiority of a race or defined populace. |
What you describe at the end of your post, really speaking, falls within the ambit of Axiology. Value Theory/Value Judgement - emotions like ‘hate,’ which is what you are really driving at, play no part. | |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:15 - Jun 26 with 1370 views | Shaky |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:07 - Jun 26 by E20Jack |
I did not mention anything to do with antagonism, prejudice or discrimination. That just happened to form part of the definition used which showed that racism is not subjectively determined by offence which expanded to give examples of how it is administered.
My point from the outset has been that racism is not deemed by how offended you are but by the belief behind the utterance or action.
A stark change of tune from your opening effort on page 1 (unless you have evidence to determine the racist definition we both agree on that is the driving force behind the film by the makers).
Glad you now agree. [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 18:12]
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Well if that is your belief it is a little strange you could not spot the error in the definition of racism you Googled. [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 18:18]
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:17 - Jun 26 with 1362 views | moonie |
It's down to White man s guilt over subjugating the black man .
Better now the African countries much better off ruling themselves ,apart from Nigeria of course ,which is a basket case . Come to think of it... |  | | |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:20 - Jun 26 with 1358 views | E20Jack |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:15 - Jun 26 by Shaky |
Well if that is your belief it is a little strange you could not spot the error in the definition of racism you Googled. [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 18:18]
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Belief? This isn’t based on my belief, it is based on common sense and fact.
There is no error, it gives examples of how racism is administered. The clear point being that it is based on an inherent belief. Showing someone how their version of racism is incorrect is best done by showing them the definition, google is great for such like and far easier than taking screenshots of dictionaries and uploading them.
You just decided to jump in with both feet again after making a moron of yourself on page 1 and ending up looking even more of a Berk by deflecting the fact you deemed something as racist without really understanding the term before coming round to more sensible viewpoints while making a seamless and militant transition into it yourself (it’s your usual pattern).
Your turn.. [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 18:23]
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:29 - Jun 26 with 1333 views | E20Jack |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:17 - Jun 26 by moonie |
It's down to White man s guilt over subjugating the black man .
Better now the African countries much better off ruling themselves ,apart from Nigeria of course ,which is a basket case . Come to think of it... |
There is no guilt.
Subjecting a group of people to condemnation due to actions of other people that happen to have the same colour skin is abhorrent.
600,000 white people died in the fight to abolish slavery.
To be immediately born with inherent blame due to the colour of your skin is probably as prejudice as you can get and of course is the same sort of group identity politics that led to millions of deaths in the Soviet Union and China in very recent history.
This notion that whites should be ashamed is so dangerous to civilised thinking, it’s scary. | |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:30 - Jun 26 with 1332 views | peenemunde |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 10:50 - Jun 26 by omarjack |
Just imagine if a movie was about black people invading a white country and massacring the native population all the while being considered to be the good guys.
The real snowflakes would finally start showing their faces. |
The reason they want it banned is because it shows British superiority and they hate it. |  | | |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:32 - Jun 26 with 1324 views | Shaky |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:20 - Jun 26 by E20Jack |
Belief? This isn’t based on my belief, it is based on common sense and fact.
There is no error, it gives examples of how racism is administered. The clear point being that it is based on an inherent belief. Showing someone how their version of racism is incorrect is best done by showing them the definition, google is great for such like and far easier than taking screenshots of dictionaries and uploading them.
You just decided to jump in with both feet again after making a moron of yourself on page 1 and ending up looking even more of a Berk by deflecting the fact you deemed something as racist without really understanding the term before coming round to more sensible viewpoints while making a seamless and militant transition into it yourself (it’s your usual pattern).
Your turn.. [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 18:23]
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Not hard to find the correct definition, Dim:
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Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:33 - Jun 26 with 1324 views | Lord_Bony |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:30 - Jun 26 by peenemunde |
The reason they want it banned is because it shows British superiority and they hate it. |
Oh ffs
It shows nothing of the sort.
Its a documentary. | |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:34 - Jun 26 with 1314 views | Highjack |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:33 - Jun 26 by Lord_Bony |
Oh ffs
It shows nothing of the sort.
Its a documentary. |
It’s not a documentary it’s a dramatisation. |  |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:37 - Jun 26 with 1305 views | E20Jack |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:32 - Jun 26 by Shaky |
Not hard to find the correct definition, Dim:
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Definition of racism
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
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Yep which is the definition I have stated from post 1. Thanks for now changing your tune and jumping on my bandwagon (again).
After reading more incorrect views of racism being determined by offence I posted the definition which went on to give further examples of how this is administered as well as underpinning what racism is as outlined by myself - and now curiously, contradictory and predictably - by yourself.
QED [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 18:44]
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:39 - Jun 26 with 1297 views | Shaky |
| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:37 - Jun 26 by E20Jack |
Yep which is the definition I have stated from post 1. Thanks for now changing your tune and jumping on my bandwagon (again).
After reading more incorrect views of racism being determined by offence I posted the definition which went on to give further examples of how this is administered as well as underpinning what racism is as outlined by myself - and now curiously, contradictory and predictably - by yourself.
QED [Post edited 26 Jun 2018 18:44]
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What your posted was a torrent of verbal diarrhoea as usual, Dim.
Forgive me if i don't hang on your every word. | |
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| Calls to axe 'racist' Zulu film on 18:41 - Jun 26 with 1292 views | Lord_Bony |
Id settle for a well made "docudrama".
It cerainly depends on individual interpretation.
Heres the curator of the museum at Brecon.
"Because it is such a well-crafted film, many people treat it as a documentary
Bill Cainan, Curator, The Regimental Museum of The Royal Welsh " | |
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