| London Bridge 22:41 - Jun 3 with 54118 views | Lblock |
Looks like it's happening again
My old office 10 yards from this on Tooley Street
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| London Bridge on 10:41 - Jun 6 with 2785 views | ingeminate |
| London Bridge on 10:21 - Jun 6 by stevec |
Well this is it, very interesting story.
If people lose faith in the authorities taking a pro active stance on this sort of thing, what is the point of them reporting stuff?
May is a fckin disaster, Corbyn will do everything possible to stop tagging or affirmative action against UK based terrorists, it's in his blood unfortunately, and Tiny Tim would open the flood gates to anybody who fancied coming over and having a pop at us.
We'll get to the point where girls being stabbed up or blown to pieces will be relegated to a column of an inside page in your newspaper, whilst the legal system and governments turn a blind eye to the cancer in our society. What a shower of so called leaders. |
That's a good point, with these last batch of attacks people in the community did contact Prevent but they were not stopped.
Could make people question what is the point.
The answer is the multiple (is it 18?) thwarted terror attacks after information given to prevent.
It is not perfect, but think of all the lives saved because of it.
Important that point is made loud and clear so people do not give up using it. |  |
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| London Bridge on 10:43 - Jun 6 with 2779 views | johncharles |
| London Bridge on 10:21 - Jun 6 by stevec |
Well this is it, very interesting story.
If people lose faith in the authorities taking a pro active stance on this sort of thing, what is the point of them reporting stuff?
May is a fckin disaster, Corbyn will do everything possible to stop tagging or affirmative action against UK based terrorists, it's in his blood unfortunately, and Tiny Tim would open the flood gates to anybody who fancied coming over and having a pop at us.
We'll get to the point where girls being stabbed up or blown to pieces will be relegated to a column of an inside page in your newspaper, whilst the legal system and governments turn a blind eye to the cancer in our society. What a shower of so called leaders. |
You're right Steve, there is cancer in our society and at the moment we are treating the symptoms and not the disease. Our armed police were clearly capable of dealing with the three nutters on Saturday but shoot one and another two pop up. We try to get at the cancer itself. Where has it come from and why is it growing. |  |
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| London Bridge on 10:47 - Jun 6 with 2764 views | Juzzie |
| London Bridge on 09:54 - Jun 6 by Northernr |
Agree completely with this.
Without condoning football violence anybody caught involved in problems at matches gets slapped with a really heavy sentence, with football as an aggravating factor. You can be banned from travelling to towns and cities when a certain team is playing there, you can be forced to hand in your passport to the police whenever England are playing away, all sorts of stuff like this. Why is it legally different, or seemingly more difficult, to do that in these cases? If they're on a "watchlist" fcking watch them!
I keep seeing the Channel 4 doc clip of that bloke with the big beard in Ealing who goes out preaching on the streets. He always stops just short of saying he supports IS or advocating people commit terrorist attacks publicly, but he obviously believes that and the guy doing the interview says to him "you believe it, but you're not saying it on camera because you don't want to be arrested" and he's like "of course, who does?" This guy is talking about throwing gays off the roof of Ealing Town Hall, now why on earth can we do nothing about him just because he stops marginally short of telling people publicly to blow themselves up? It's ridiculous. |
"Why is it legally different, or seemingly more difficult, to do that in these cases?" - quite simply, IMO, because if anything is said or done you're immediately branded a racist (even though religion is not a race) and all the complexities that goes with it, the backlash from the 'community', media (both social and professional) scrutiny etc etc. You just don't get that with football so it's easier to manage. |  | | |
| London Bridge on 10:49 - Jun 6 with 2753 views | Boston |
Forgive my lack of knowledge, but don't the EU have a role to play in the movement of people within its boundaries, or to be more precise the excercising of freedom of movement? |  |
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| London Bridge on 10:50 - Jun 6 with 2746 views | Northernr |
| London Bridge on 10:47 - Jun 6 by Juzzie |
"Why is it legally different, or seemingly more difficult, to do that in these cases?" - quite simply, IMO, because if anything is said or done you're immediately branded a racist (even though religion is not a race) and all the complexities that goes with it, the backlash from the 'community', media (both social and professional) scrutiny etc etc. You just don't get that with football so it's easier to manage. |
That may have been the case but I think it's gone out the window since Rotherham and Rochdale.
To have a stab at my own question I guess the laws around football violence were created during the 80s and 90s when hooliganism was rife and they came up with all sorts of different ways to clamp down on it. Hopefully with what's happening now laws will change and tighten up in this area as well. |  | | |
| London Bridge on 11:00 - Jun 6 with 2711 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| London Bridge on 10:47 - Jun 6 by Juzzie |
"Why is it legally different, or seemingly more difficult, to do that in these cases?" - quite simply, IMO, because if anything is said or done you're immediately branded a racist (even though religion is not a race) and all the complexities that goes with it, the backlash from the 'community', media (both social and professional) scrutiny etc etc. You just don't get that with football so it's easier to manage. |
Pulling myself up for being a orrible kunt here from some I've no doubt
But the Muslim communities need to wake up a lot more that they will end up the most damaged if they don't put up a much bigger united visual stand, I mean not just the spokesperson but the everyday man and woman not just a few woman in a press shot
You can not say they are not the protesting type, you only have to look at muslim countries to see they do.
Just not over here
Yours
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| London Bridge on 11:01 - Jun 6 with 2703 views | BklynRanger |
I did that Prevent training last week. Well intended and all that but it had the overwhelming feeling of being something that is done for the sake of compliance and not much more. I can't really think of anything that I learned.
But it did sort of tie in with this idea of shifting the emphasis onto the public as needing to have embarassing conversations etc. The inference that significant sections of the community are harbouring terrorists seems a lot more far fetched than the idea that the cuts to policing have greatly reduced their ability to follow anything but the most imminent threat. And the more those questions get put to May the more you can see her confidence in a Brexit election mandate draining away. Fcuking shambles. |  | | |
| London Bridge on 11:25 - Jun 6 with 2644 views | johncharles |
Community policing. It's not the wonder solution to all the problems but it would make it easier for ordinary people to approach the police with information. Credible information. Information that a boy on the beat would be in a position to access.
Not easy for people who are struggling to learn English.
English for Immigrants is another victim of Mrs May's cuts. | |
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| London Bridge on 11:30 - Jun 6 with 2624 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Victim Kirsty Boden
Kirsty sadly lost her life as she ran towards danger, in an effort to help people on the bridge | |
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| London Bridge on 12:06 - Jun 6 with 2551 views | stevec |
| London Bridge on 11:00 - Jun 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Pulling myself up for being a orrible kunt here from some I've no doubt
But the Muslim communities need to wake up a lot more that they will end up the most damaged if they don't put up a much bigger united visual stand, I mean not just the spokesperson but the everyday man and woman not just a few woman in a press shot
You can not say they are not the protesting type, you only have to look at muslim countries to see they do.
Just not over here
Yours
orrible kunt [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 11:01]
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It's a shame it's reached the point where you have to feel an orrible kunt just for expressing your view.
Unfortunately, it's the same stigma that ties in knots any politician with the same views, hence nothing much ever gets put into practice.
It goes without saying the vast majority of Muslims are against this fanaticism, just like most football fans are against crowd violence. But it's time the authorities took on board that whilst most football fans didn't like being treated en masse as if we were all potential troublemakers, we understood why we were essentially victimised, that is, to ultimately rid the game of the few who caused the problems.
As such, if the authorities suggest tagging Muslims who preach hate, have their passports taken away from them, stop them travelling to potential danger spots, deport where applicable, that the likes of Shami Chakrabati, Corbyn, Diane Abbott, the legal aid system and all good Muslims actually accept that this is essential to get anywhere near solving the cancer of radical Islam. |  | | |
| London Bridge on 12:39 - Jun 6 with 2458 views | johncharles |
| London Bridge on 12:06 - Jun 6 by stevec |
It's a shame it's reached the point where you have to feel an orrible kunt just for expressing your view.
Unfortunately, it's the same stigma that ties in knots any politician with the same views, hence nothing much ever gets put into practice.
It goes without saying the vast majority of Muslims are against this fanaticism, just like most football fans are against crowd violence. But it's time the authorities took on board that whilst most football fans didn't like being treated en masse as if we were all potential troublemakers, we understood why we were essentially victimised, that is, to ultimately rid the game of the few who caused the problems.
As such, if the authorities suggest tagging Muslims who preach hate, have their passports taken away from them, stop them travelling to potential danger spots, deport where applicable, that the likes of Shami Chakrabati, Corbyn, Diane Abbott, the legal aid system and all good Muslims actually accept that this is essential to get anywhere near solving the cancer of radical Islam. |
Great but you had to spoil at the by having a dig at Jeremy Corbyn and Labour. The Conservatives have been in power since 2010 and must take responsibility for allowing free movement between Britain and Syria. The Conservatives could have deported the hate preachers. They didn't. It's been their job all along and they failed. Theresa May should resign. Lord Carrington was the last honourable Tory. | |
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| London Bridge on 13:16 - Jun 6 with 2354 views | johncharles |
She might win the election but she will still have to resign when this leaks out. It'll look even worse because she tried to suppress it. | |
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| London Bridge on 13:40 - Jun 6 with 2298 views | Phildo |
| London Bridge on 11:01 - Jun 6 by BklynRanger |
I did that Prevent training last week. Well intended and all that but it had the overwhelming feeling of being something that is done for the sake of compliance and not much more. I can't really think of anything that I learned.
But it did sort of tie in with this idea of shifting the emphasis onto the public as needing to have embarassing conversations etc. The inference that significant sections of the community are harbouring terrorists seems a lot more far fetched than the idea that the cuts to policing have greatly reduced their ability to follow anything but the most imminent threat. And the more those questions get put to May the more you can see her confidence in a Brexit election mandate draining away. Fcuking shambles. |
I did the prevent training as well recently and thought just that.
I have been involved in a recruitment process which used amongst other things psychometric testing and it was incredible what a few innocuous questions could reveal- I cant help but feel there is a lot more that could be done on these things.
At the moment a lot of the prisons are being bossed by muslim gangs but the prison service are barely hanging on rather than challenging this stuff. It is obviously an utterly moronic ideology - The documentary with that scumbag in was like four lions. They did not come over as bright boys and we should be doing more to outwit them. That being said Israel is a western style country with massive anti terror infrastructure including everyone having to do a compulsory stint in the army to keep numbers up and they cannot stop attacks.
A lot of what was done with the IRA was around infiltration and turning compromised guys - a lot of which has not come out to this day. It took 30 years though. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 13:43]
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| London Bridge on 13:46 - Jun 6 with 2273 views | runningman75 |
It is difficult comparing IRA terrorists who wanted a united Ireland with terrorists of ISIS who seem to be wanting a medieval strictly religious world. There are some orthodox Jews who follow ancient Jewish laws which do not make sense in the modern world. Majority of Jews are secular and a lot more liberal. Islam still seems out of place in the modern world with a large majority of their followers. | | | |
| London Bridge on 13:49 - Jun 6 with 2264 views | komradkirk |
| London Bridge on 13:40 - Jun 6 by Phildo |
I did the prevent training as well recently and thought just that.
I have been involved in a recruitment process which used amongst other things psychometric testing and it was incredible what a few innocuous questions could reveal- I cant help but feel there is a lot more that could be done on these things.
At the moment a lot of the prisons are being bossed by muslim gangs but the prison service are barely hanging on rather than challenging this stuff. It is obviously an utterly moronic ideology - The documentary with that scumbag in was like four lions. They did not come over as bright boys and we should be doing more to outwit them. That being said Israel is a western style country with massive anti terror infrastructure including everyone having to do a compulsory stint in the army to keep numbers up and they cannot stop attacks.
A lot of what was done with the IRA was around infiltration and turning compromised guys - a lot of which has not come out to this day. It took 30 years though. [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 13:43]
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At the time of the cease fires an alleged 50% were on the take.£££££££££ |  | | |
| London Bridge on 14:08 - Jun 6 with 2207 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
If as May says we need to ask hard questions
I'll ask one.. or more
Is integration only really seen in the workspace and businesses like shops and not in the community to any large extent, is multiculturalism a bit of myth in the real world and integration is only outside the home and we are all tribal really if we don't believe in the same things.
Politically we may row in elections but then put that aside the rest of the time
Sorry it's not put better [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 14:09]
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| London Bridge on 15:33 - Jun 6 with 2130 views | Boston |
| London Bridge on 14:08 - Jun 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
If as May says we need to ask hard questions
I'll ask one.. or more
Is integration only really seen in the workspace and businesses like shops and not in the community to any large extent, is multiculturalism a bit of myth in the real world and integration is only outside the home and we are all tribal really if we don't believe in the same things.
Politically we may row in elections but then put that aside the rest of the time
Sorry it's not put better [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 14:09]
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I have always raised an eyebrow when people have told / lectured me about other countries that contain different ethnic groups and their ability to live together. As a youngster I travelled extensively and quickly can't to the conclusion this was a myth, even in Europe, where virtually separate communities exist in Belgium, Spain the Balkans(pre war) etc etc. | |
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| London Bridge on 15:46 - Jun 6 with 2103 views | davman |
| London Bridge on 09:28 - Jun 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
All on May's watch as HS and PM
I would be just as critical if had been JC [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 9:29]
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...and yet Tony Blair was PM in 2005 when 7/7 happened.
Didn't he also have something to do with a little skirmish that many of the Radicals believe catalysed their actions?
I have no axe to grind and am in no way an apologist for our current PM; in fact, I agree she does not appear to be a totally effective leader, but the issues we are currently having result from a series of Governments - Labour had their turn, then a Coalition, now the Tories.
It is NOT any one individual or any individual party's fault here.
What on earth will Corbyn do differently when faced with the economy he has to work with? All the speeches of more spending on NHS, Education, Housing, "the Poor" will hit reality soon enough. Where's the money coming from? Tax the Rich? Labour didn't do that last time and Financial Institutes still offer obscene bonuses and wages and get away with it.
Reduce Defence spending? Another vote winner, but when we are unable to stand up to the powers that will grow unchecked if we leave them alone to grow and develop, people will soon decry the fact that we are n9 longer a "big boy".
Face it, it'll be us workers who will bear the brunt, watching increasing National Debt and Interest Rates whilst the "poor" will receive increased benefits and the Rich will line politicians pockets so that they keep their bonus.
THEY ARE ALL AS BAD AS EACH OTHER. Some may be well intentioned, bit governing this country a'it as easy as you seem to make out.., [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 15:52]
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| London Bridge on 15:54 - Jun 6 with 2080 views | traininvain |
| London Bridge on 14:08 - Jun 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
If as May says we need to ask hard questions
I'll ask one.. or more
Is integration only really seen in the workspace and businesses like shops and not in the community to any large extent, is multiculturalism a bit of myth in the real world and integration is only outside the home and we are all tribal really if we don't believe in the same things.
Politically we may row in elections but then put that aside the rest of the time
Sorry it's not put better [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 14:09]
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I'm a 30 year old grew up in south west London & I'd say half my mates are non-white including Muslim friends who are disgusted by the terrorist attacks.
The idea that integration is a myth is bullsh1t mainly peddled by people who don't actually live in London / have any interaction with Muslims. |  | | |
| London Bridge on 16:03 - Jun 6 with 2053 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| London Bridge on 15:33 - Jun 6 by Boston |
I have always raised an eyebrow when people have told / lectured me about other countries that contain different ethnic groups and their ability to live together. As a youngster I travelled extensively and quickly can't to the conclusion this was a myth, even in Europe, where virtually separate communities exist in Belgium, Spain the Balkans(pre war) etc etc. |
Like in alicante where there is a large British community | |
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| London Bridge on 16:09 - Jun 6 with 2035 views | johncharles |
| London Bridge on 15:46 - Jun 6 by davman |
...and yet Tony Blair was PM in 2005 when 7/7 happened.
Didn't he also have something to do with a little skirmish that many of the Radicals believe catalysed their actions?
I have no axe to grind and am in no way an apologist for our current PM; in fact, I agree she does not appear to be a totally effective leader, but the issues we are currently having result from a series of Governments - Labour had their turn, then a Coalition, now the Tories.
It is NOT any one individual or any individual party's fault here.
What on earth will Corbyn do differently when faced with the economy he has to work with? All the speeches of more spending on NHS, Education, Housing, "the Poor" will hit reality soon enough. Where's the money coming from? Tax the Rich? Labour didn't do that last time and Financial Institutes still offer obscene bonuses and wages and get away with it.
Reduce Defence spending? Another vote winner, but when we are unable to stand up to the powers that will grow unchecked if we leave them alone to grow and develop, people will soon decry the fact that we are n9 longer a "big boy".
Face it, it'll be us workers who will bear the brunt, watching increasing National Debt and Interest Rates whilst the "poor" will receive increased benefits and the Rich will line politicians pockets so that they keep their bonus.
THEY ARE ALL AS BAD AS EACH OTHER. Some may be well intentioned, bit governing this country a'it as easy as you seem to make out.., [Post edited 6 Jun 2017 15:52]
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Blair ? Are you suggesting a retrospective resignation ?
I've never talked about fault or blame, just responsibility. Mrs. May was responsible as HS and now as PM. She carries the can or should but she keeps ducking out of it.
THEY'RE ALL AS BAD AS EACH OTHER is the Tory mantra when things get a bit dodgy.
You can always spot someone who is going to vote Tory because they always say stuff like that.
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| London Bridge on 16:21 - Jun 6 with 2003 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| London Bridge on 15:54 - Jun 6 by traininvain |
I'm a 30 year old grew up in south west London & I'd say half my mates are non-white including Muslim friends who are disgusted by the terrorist attacks.
The idea that integration is a myth is bullsh1t mainly peddled by people who don't actually live in London / have any interaction with Muslims. |
Well I live in London and have for over 45 years and honestly the interaction has mostly been outside home, never had a problem with anyone of any race or religion but I can't say I've had too many invites to Muslim homes wedding or much else
That does not mean I've had no "friends" from each and every race or religion but you don't see many cross religion marriages due to faith differences and culture that you do see in other cross sections of society. | |
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| London Bridge on 17:03 - Jun 6 with 1931 views | TacticalR |
| London Bridge on 16:09 - Jun 6 by johncharles |
Blair ? Are you suggesting a retrospective resignation ?
I've never talked about fault or blame, just responsibility. Mrs. May was responsible as HS and now as PM. She carries the can or should but she keeps ducking out of it.
THEY'RE ALL AS BAD AS EACH OTHER is the Tory mantra when things get a bit dodgy.
You can always spot someone who is going to vote Tory because they always say stuff like that.
(Sorry Davman, that's not meant as a dig at you) |
Although it's true that the actions of capitalist politicians are determined by the health of the capitalist economy, I agree with you that the 'they're all the same' argument has been deployed very cynically by some to defend the particular party that they are attached to. |  |
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| London Bridge on 18:49 - Jun 6 with 1831 views | Westy75 |
| London Bridge on 11:00 - Jun 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Pulling myself up for being a orrible kunt here from some I've no doubt
But the Muslim communities need to wake up a lot more that they will end up the most damaged if they don't put up a much bigger united visual stand, I mean not just the spokesperson but the everyday man and woman not just a few woman in a press shot
You can not say they are not the protesting type, you only have to look at muslim countries to see they do.
Just not over here
Yours
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Totally agree. They may argue - with some justification - that they shouldn't have to but it would be hugely beneficial to societal relations in general if there were mass demonstrations in London and other cities with mass Muslim turnout joined by people of other backgrounds and faiths to show solidarity but it would need a big Muslim turnout. All those young lads etc, not just the usual suspects. Just out there saying we stand together. I'd be there - could be a really positive thing.
Bottom line, scum like those on Saturday are taking the piss out of their religion. Get out on the streets and say no more. And I'm not saying the fact that they aren't means they are tacitly supporting terrorism, just that it needs a big show. Make it difficult for the Kelvin Mackenzies, Katie Hopkins and Brightonhoops of the world who would like to tar them all with the same brush to ignore. |  | | |
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