| Everton. 15:10 - Jan 15 with 4840 views | perchrockjack |
Fook me .
Local lads involved too
Passion ,organisation and our former fookn captain.
Makes it worse don't it
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| Everton. on 17:12 - Jan 15 with 1527 views | lifelong |
| Everton. on 16:33 - Jan 15 by perchrockjack |
Swansea is not a small place.
Plenty of kids playing football
Not enough getting tapped up by our club
I refuse to believe there are so few Swansea lads without talent
They don't all play rugby do they |
Swansea City Academy and Development has sides from under 9's all the way up to the under 23's. |  | | |
| Everton. on 17:15 - Jan 15 with 1503 views | perchrockjack |
Which is my point... | |
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| Everton. on 17:21 - Jan 15 with 1465 views | KulusBeatFactory |
their bench would give us a boost - Jagielka, McCarthy, Lennon........... | | | |
| Everton. on 17:44 - Jan 15 with 1416 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Everton. on 16:40 - Jan 15 by jasper_T |
Takes longer to produce players than it does to put up a "barn" or whatever they call it. |
No it doesn't. Thats a cop out for poor coaching - and even the ruining of bought in players like Grimes.
Before the multi mullions went into the Academy we produced a Welsh international premier league standard player every 2 years - mcdonald, joey, jazz, and ben.
Thats a hard fact.
The Academy is a failure by any measure you like.
Jobs for the boys.
Gone missing when we needsd it.
Perch is right. |  |
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| Everton. on 17:47 - Jan 15 with 1404 views | jasper_T |
Hope I never hire your builders. | | | |
| Everton. on 17:57 - Jan 15 with 1357 views | perchrockjack |
One of our PS experts informed me the Bony profit was justifiably put into academy and training.
Complete waste of money .
Results show it is
Our players have the very best training facilities.
Where s the results
Academy players should be our saving grace.
They aren't
If they were good enough ,they d be playing now as what we do have is disgusting apathetic playing staff | |
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| Everton. on 18:04 - Jan 15 with 1330 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
I disagree
Top training facility's were rightly built .
They'll be there forever
Unlike our premier league tenure . |  |
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| Everton. on 18:08 - Jan 15 with 1313 views | lifelong |
| Everton. on 17:57 - Jan 15 by perchrockjack |
One of our PS experts informed me the Bony profit was justifiably put into academy and training.
Complete waste of money .
Results show it is
Our players have the very best training facilities.
Where s the results
Academy players should be our saving grace.
They aren't
If they were good enough ,they d be playing now as what we do have is disgusting apathetic playing staff |
The Academy is a long term investment, are you seriously suggesting that we scrap it? | | | |
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| Everton. on 18:09 - Jan 15 with 1309 views | Jango |
The u23s are doing so well I refuse to believe that 1 or 2 of them couldn't make some sort of impact on the first team. | | | |
| Everton. on 18:12 - Jan 15 with 1292 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Everton. on 17:47 - Jan 15 by jasper_T |
Hope I never hire your builders. |
No comment on the hard facts then ?
Macca, joey, jazz, and ben ....vs ...well, nobody since 2012 ...
Nobody would be prouder than me if our Academy produced local players to play in our first team, like Everton. But we cant simply bury our heads in the sand and pretend that is doing so. Cos it ain't.
The huge money used on the Academy should have gone on our first team squad that has clearly been starved of investment.
Perch is still right. | |
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| Everton. on 18:15 - Jan 15 with 1282 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Everton. on 18:08 - Jan 15 by lifelong |
The Academy is a long term investment, are you seriously suggesting that we scrap it? |
No choice really but to adjust our current academy thinking.
Relegation makes that a certainty. | |
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| Everton. on 18:20 - Jan 15 with 1267 views | longlostjack |
| Everton. on 18:04 - Jan 15 by oh_tommy_tommy |
I disagree
Top training facility's were rightly built .
They'll be there forever
Unlike our premier league tenure . |
This. It's the transfer policy since Laudrup that has screwed us up and we all know who was responsible for that. |  |
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| Everton. on 18:53 - Jan 15 with 1222 views | icecoldjack |
| Everton. on 18:04 - Jan 15 by oh_tommy_tommy |
I disagree
Top training facility's were rightly built .
They'll be there forever
Unlike our premier league tenure . |
They won't be there forever . The moment the club get relegated cost cutting will happen then eventually assets will be sold.
The legacy will be selling " the barn" for a couple of quid to one of morgans companies .
South Wales has some unbelievable talent, even Alex Fergus on remarked on it years back saying one of the biggest hot beds of talent was south Wales .
The players are there weather they get chosen is another question, from what little I know and heard, very often a natural talented player will get looked over for a boy at age group level who happens to have height and size advantage, something that dissappear when the boys get older or certain faces fit better with good kids missing out that way. Not sure how true that is,plenty in here will know far more on the subject than myself.
We should be doing better IMO . 6th year of prem football, 3 yrs of championship football and a club that's only gone upwards for 12 of the last 14 yrs. [Post edited 15 Jan 2017 18:59]
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| Everton. on 18:55 - Jan 15 with 1211 views | JBT95 |
| Everton. on 15:28 - Jan 15 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
A dream game for Everton. One of those where everything goes right.
We used to have those.... |
We just have the exact opposite these days. |  | | |
| Everton. on 19:25 - Jan 15 with 1160 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Everton. on 18:53 - Jan 15 by icecoldjack |
They won't be there forever . The moment the club get relegated cost cutting will happen then eventually assets will be sold.
The legacy will be selling " the barn" for a couple of quid to one of morgans companies .
South Wales has some unbelievable talent, even Alex Fergus on remarked on it years back saying one of the biggest hot beds of talent was south Wales .
The players are there weather they get chosen is another question, from what little I know and heard, very often a natural talented player will get looked over for a boy at age group level who happens to have height and size advantage, something that dissappear when the boys get older or certain faces fit better with good kids missing out that way. Not sure how true that is,plenty in here will know far more on the subject than myself.
We should be doing better IMO . 6th year of prem football, 3 yrs of championship football and a club that's only gone upwards for 12 of the last 14 yrs. [Post edited 15 Jan 2017 18:59]
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Disagree with the first paragraph .
We'll have plenty of home grown talent when we hit the championship. | |
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| Everton. on 19:59 - Jan 15 with 941 views | perchrockjack |
Roger.
Ive had that argument with other posters.
It's five seasons down the line
Nothing to show is there.
Is there?
There s your proof. | |
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| Everton. on 20:02 - Jan 15 with 937 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Everton. on 19:25 - Jan 15 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Disagree with the first paragraph .
We'll have plenty of home grown talent when we hit the championship. |
Really ?
We have not produced any Championship standard players since 2012 unless i have missed something. Hope you are correct though.
I suspect we will be no better than Cardiff City with our current squad, minus Siggy and Llorante.
Not sure even Cardiff would lose 4 nil at home to Arsenal. Its a league 2 level result at a critical time. Its not even close to whats needed. | |
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| Everton. on 20:08 - Jan 15 with 927 views | veng9 |
| Everton. on 20:02 - Jan 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Really ?
We have not produced any Championship standard players since 2012 unless i have missed something. Hope you are correct though.
I suspect we will be no better than Cardiff City with our current squad, minus Siggy and Llorante.
Not sure even Cardiff would lose 4 nil at home to Arsenal. Its a league 2 level result at a critical time. Its not even close to whats needed. |
They lost 0-4 at home to Hull and as they lost 0-3 to Arsenal when they were a premier league team I wouldn't put it down as impossible that they'd lose 0-4 now they're bottom half in the championship. | | | |
| Everton. on 20:15 - Jan 15 with 921 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Everton. on 20:02 - Jan 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Really ?
We have not produced any Championship standard players since 2012 unless i have missed something. Hope you are correct though.
I suspect we will be no better than Cardiff City with our current squad, minus Siggy and Llorante.
Not sure even Cardiff would lose 4 nil at home to Arsenal. Its a league 2 level result at a critical time. Its not even close to whats needed. |
We might have but because we've been in the premier league they havnt had a look in is my guess.
I get what you are saying
We have local boys coaching these teams , let's hope we can get more ex players involved instead of ex postmen with coaching badges.
But to slag off the building of top facilities as many are or have done is just insane . | |
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| Everton. on 20:36 - Jan 15 with 906 views | lifelong |
| Everton. on 19:59 - Jan 15 by perchrockjack |
Roger.
Ive had that argument with other posters.
It's five seasons down the line
Nothing to show is there.
Is there?
There s your proof. |
Yes, there is something to show.
The U23's are doing very well with the prospect of one or two breaking into the first team squad, it is not easy because, at the moment, we are a Premier League club.
As I've already said there are squads of U9's, U11's, U14's, U16's, U18's and U21's, I would suggest that over the years there is a very good chance that those squads will produce some players who will make it through to the first team squad.
If we do as you suggest and scrap the Academy there is no chance of that happening. | | | |
| Everton. on 23:23 - Jan 15 with 862 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Everton. on 20:36 - Jan 15 by lifelong |
Yes, there is something to show.
The U23's are doing very well with the prospect of one or two breaking into the first team squad, it is not easy because, at the moment, we are a Premier League club.
As I've already said there are squads of U9's, U11's, U14's, U16's, U18's and U21's, I would suggest that over the years there is a very good chance that those squads will produce some players who will make it through to the first team squad.
If we do as you suggest and scrap the Academy there is no chance of that happening. |
But thats the point, we had all those teams before the multi millions went in, and we produced local players for Swansea and Wales before the multi millions went in.
The multi millions has delivered nothing in return.
As we are getting relegated, its fair enough to wonder if the multi millions would have been better spent elsewhere.
Relegation will certainly mean changes in how our academy is funded. A reality check. | |
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| Everton. on 23:24 - Jan 15 with 860 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Everton. on 20:15 - Jan 15 by oh_tommy_tommy |
We might have but because we've been in the premier league they havnt had a look in is my guess.
I get what you are saying
We have local boys coaching these teams , let's hope we can get more ex players involved instead of ex postmen with coaching badges.
But to slag off the building of top facilities as many are or have done is just insane . |
Good points. | |
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| Everton. on 04:20 - Jan 16 with 815 views | JaySun |
| Everton. on 23:23 - Jan 15 by Kilkennyjack |
But thats the point, we had all those teams before the multi millions went in, and we produced local players for Swansea and Wales before the multi millions went in.
The multi millions has delivered nothing in return.
As we are getting relegated, its fair enough to wonder if the multi millions would have been better spent elsewhere.
Relegation will certainly mean changes in how our academy is funded. A reality check. |
Funding should not affect culture. The culture of winning begins with the U10's. Swansea has the history and THE culture to produce kids who want to win but the delivery of the culture and the winning begins with those U10 coaches. Properly motivated and passionate leadership can instill a winning mindset that those kids will carry for the rest of their lives, whether they become pro-footballers or not.
Properly led, the youth academy at Swansea could make for a stable future. | | | |
| Everton. on 08:29 - Jan 16 with 766 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Everton. on 04:20 - Jan 16 by JaySun |
Funding should not affect culture. The culture of winning begins with the U10's. Swansea has the history and THE culture to produce kids who want to win but the delivery of the culture and the winning begins with those U10 coaches. Properly motivated and passionate leadership can instill a winning mindset that those kids will carry for the rest of their lives, whether they become pro-footballers or not.
Properly led, the youth academy at Swansea could make for a stable future. |
That applies to all 92 academies to at least some extent.
The hard fact is we have spent millions and millions, and got nothing back. Its a leap of faith if you are a positive type happy clapper, or a waste of money if you look at the money side.
This investment should have produced world class platers like Joey but we are producing less players than before the millions went in. We seem to have given up on the u9s to u16s and rather fill our u23s with players produced elsewhere - like Falkirk.
In our hour of need the academy has gone missing in action. Sad. | |
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| Everton. on 08:52 - Jan 16 with 751 views | jasper_T |
| Everton. on 20:15 - Jan 15 by oh_tommy_tommy |
We might have but because we've been in the premier league they havnt had a look in is my guess.
I get what you are saying
We have local boys coaching these teams , let's hope we can get more ex players involved instead of ex postmen with coaching badges.
But to slag off the building of top facilities as many are or have done is just insane . |
That ex-postman is doing a marvelous job. | | | |
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