| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:35 - Apr 11 with 5227 views | Swanzay |
Yes, ours arrived today as well, utter nonsense propaganda. |  | |  |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:39 - Apr 11 with 5212 views | exiledclaseboy |
Propaganda is all you're going to get from both sides. The "facts" about the EU are subjective in the extreme. The winners of the propaganda war wins the vote. |  |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:42 - Apr 11 with 5200 views | Swanzay |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:39 - Apr 11 by exiledclaseboy |
Propaganda is all you're going to get from both sides. The "facts" about the EU are subjective in the extreme. The winners of the propaganda war wins the vote. |
Yes and sums up all that is wrong with UK and global politics! | | | |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:48 - Apr 11 with 5193 views | FearOfAJackPlanet |
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"WHY Vote Leave by Daniel Hannan is published by Head of Zeus at £9.99. Offer price £7.99 (20 per cent discount) until April 20, 2016. Call 0844 571 0640 or visit mailbookshop.co.uk. P&P free on orders over £12."
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:51 - Apr 11 with 5180 views | 3swan |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:39 - Apr 11 by exiledclaseboy |
Propaganda is all you're going to get from both sides. The "facts" about the EU are subjective in the extreme. The winners of the propaganda war wins the vote. |
Were you in work with me today? Close to being word for word with what I said.
We will get 2 biased viewpoints and no balance at all. |  | | |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:51 - Apr 11 with 5178 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:48 - Apr 11 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
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"WHY Vote Leave by Daniel Hannan is published by Head of Zeus at £9.99. Offer price £7.99 (20 per cent discount) until April 20, 2016. Call 0844 571 0640 or visit mailbookshop.co.uk. P&P free on orders over £12."
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Says the man who recently admitted to reading The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber.
But yeah. Daniel Hannan. | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:58 - Apr 11 with 5157 views | FearOfAJackPlanet |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:51 - Apr 11 by exiledclaseboy |
Says the man who recently admitted to reading The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Max Weber.
But yeah. Daniel Hannan. |
Not sure what that's got to do with highlighting the article as being nothing more than a barefaced 'buy my book you easily excited f*cking sheep' exercise...
It makes my knees go a little queasy to have The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism mentioned in the same thread as a Dan Hannan opus... | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:02 - Apr 11 with 5148 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:58 - Apr 11 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
Not sure what that's got to do with highlighting the article as being nothing more than a barefaced 'buy my book you easily excited f*cking sheep' exercise...
It makes my knees go a little queasy to have The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism mentioned in the same thread as a Dan Hannan opus... |
Point taken. I missed yours, slightly. | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:12 - Apr 11 with 5122 views | Lohengrin |
I've got something much more important that you need to read before polling day: The Drace-Francis compiled European Identity. A collection of writings from 450BC to the present day that attempts to capture the essence of our shared cultural heritage and underscore the importance of protecting and enhancing the unifying Ideal.
It's more valuable than anything else you'll read or hear between now and June 23rd.
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:17 - Apr 11 with 5109 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:12 - Apr 11 by Lohengrin |
I've got something much more important that you need to read before polling day: The Drace-Francis compiled European Identity. A collection of writings from 450BC to the present day that attempts to capture the essence of our shared cultural heritage and underscore the importance of protecting and enhancing the unifying Ideal.
It's more valuable than anything else you'll read or hear between now and June 23rd.
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They'll be barely a person in the country who doesn't read that in the next couple of months Loh :-) | | | |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:20 - Apr 11 with 5101 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:17 - Apr 11 by londonlisa2001 |
They'll be barely a person in the country who doesn't read that in the next couple of months Loh :-) |
I'm all over it like. | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:23 - Apr 11 with 5092 views | FearOfAJackPlanet |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:12 - Apr 11 by Lohengrin |
I've got something much more important that you need to read before polling day: The Drace-Francis compiled European Identity. A collection of writings from 450BC to the present day that attempts to capture the essence of our shared cultural heritage and underscore the importance of protecting and enhancing the unifying Ideal.
It's more valuable than anything else you'll read or hear between now and June 23rd.
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an attempt to "capture the essence of our shared cultural heritage and underscore the importance of protecting and enhancing the unifying Ideal" is right where the public discourse is at present;)
But what way would it sway people in this debate though? The arguments for and against can easily tap into shared cultural ideals. | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:24 - Apr 11 with 5091 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:20 - Apr 11 by exiledclaseboy |
I'm all over it like. |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:25 - Apr 11 with 5086 views | Lohengrin |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:17 - Apr 11 by londonlisa2001 |
They'll be barely a person in the country who doesn't read that in the next couple of months Loh :-) |
I'm only out to pique the interest of the discerning, love. The cattle can continue grazing Page 3 and the Lotto results....  | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:30 - Apr 11 with 5070 views | Lohengrin |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:23 - Apr 11 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
an attempt to "capture the essence of our shared cultural heritage and underscore the importance of protecting and enhancing the unifying Ideal" is right where the public discourse is at present;)
But what way would it sway people in this debate though? The arguments for and against can easily tap into shared cultural ideals. |
Do you envisage an elevated debate in the coming weeks then? Honestly? | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:30 - Apr 11 with 5070 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:25 - Apr 11 by Lohengrin |
I'm only out to pique the interest of the discerning, love. The cattle can continue grazing Page 3 and the Lotto results.... |
Hey - I did my bit for shared European culture this morning by spending two hours in a virtual waiting room to get my cheapo tickets for the Opera Holland Park summer season.
Rossini, Puccini, Mascagni and Tchaikovsky. I'm as pan European as it's possible to be (well, Italian and Russian anyway) | | | |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:34 - Apr 11 with 5057 views | Lohengrin |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:30 - Apr 11 by londonlisa2001 |
Hey - I did my bit for shared European culture this morning by spending two hours in a virtual waiting room to get my cheapo tickets for the Opera Holland Park summer season.
Rossini, Puccini, Mascagni and Tchaikovsky. I'm as pan European as it's possible to be (well, Italian and Russian anyway) |
...and you've been reading Herodotus. | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:38 - Apr 11 with 5050 views | MrSwerve |
Surely in this day and age you just chuck it all on a .gov website and save the 9 million quid?
Anyone without access to the Internet can easily go to a local library or ask a friend/relative to have a read? |  |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:38 - Apr 11 with 5048 views | FearOfAJackPlanet |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:30 - Apr 11 by Lohengrin |
Do you envisage an elevated debate in the coming weeks then? Honestly? |
Lord no, this will be played out in the language of tabloid journalism right to the bitter end.
I'm still curious as to which way that book would sway people in your eyes, should it be widely read. | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 22:16 - Apr 11 with 5015 views | jackrabbit |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:12 - Apr 11 by Lohengrin |
I've got something much more important that you need to read before polling day: The Drace-Francis compiled European Identity. A collection of writings from 450BC to the present day that attempts to capture the essence of our shared cultural heritage and underscore the importance of protecting and enhancing the unifying Ideal.
It's more valuable than anything else you'll read or hear between now and June 23rd.
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You're confusing being European with being in the EU. We're all European through geographical accident of birth. The EU however is a political construct. We do not need to be in the EU to be European. |  | | |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 09:57 - Apr 12 with 4893 views | Lohengrin |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 22:16 - Apr 11 by jackrabbit |
You're confusing being European with being in the EU. We're all European through geographical accident of birth. The EU however is a political construct. We do not need to be in the EU to be European. |
"We do not need to be in the EU to be European." Don't you agree with the principle that a unified people need common government? [Post edited 12 Apr 2016 10:06]
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 10:03 - Apr 12 with 4883 views | Lohengrin |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 21:38 - Apr 11 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
Lord no, this will be played out in the language of tabloid journalism right to the bitter end.
I'm still curious as to which way that book would sway people in your eyes, should it be widely read. |
It ought to be on the curriculum of every Secondary School in the country to inculcate in the children a proper sense of who they are and the long, proud tradition they are a part of.
An essential counterbalance to tabloid jornalism, MTV and Geordie Shore! | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 10:08 - Apr 12 with 4876 views | ItchySphincter |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 20:39 - Apr 11 by exiledclaseboy |
Propaganda is all you're going to get from both sides. The "facts" about the EU are subjective in the extreme. The winners of the propaganda war wins the vote. |
The 'ins' will win the vote.
It would be nice to have reasonable debate because it is a delicate subject with so many subjectives and unknowns but one thing that I firmly believe is that most of the 'outs' on here are driven by a 'bloody foreigner' mentality and it's just not good enough.
I passed a car in Cardiff yesterday plastered in slogans like 'vote leave, think of your children, grandchildren, etc' and I was just dumbstruck, baseless hyberbole. I'm sure I'm not alone here by making a living domestically and internationally and I just can't see what leaving achieves.
Reform yes, exclusion, not so sure. |  |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 10:21 - Apr 12 with 4860 views | Lohengrin |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 10:08 - Apr 12 by ItchySphincter |
The 'ins' will win the vote.
It would be nice to have reasonable debate because it is a delicate subject with so many subjectives and unknowns but one thing that I firmly believe is that most of the 'outs' on here are driven by a 'bloody foreigner' mentality and it's just not good enough.
I passed a car in Cardiff yesterday plastered in slogans like 'vote leave, think of your children, grandchildren, etc' and I was just dumbstruck, baseless hyberbole. I'm sure I'm not alone here by making a living domestically and internationally and I just can't see what leaving achieves.
Reform yes, exclusion, not so sure. |
That car in Cardiff is exactly like our work's canteen. The boys in there seem to have got it into their heads that Brexit is some sort of magical panacea. If they vote to leave they will all wake up on the 24th and the moslems will have disappeared in a puff of smoke, all the factories and work-shops will mysteriously reappear with doors flung open wide with pay in brown-enveloped cash every Thursday.
These are all staunch Labour voters, by the way. | |
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| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 10:38 - Apr 12 with 4843 views | VetchitBack |
| Cameron's 'Remain' propoganda leaflet arrived today.. on 10:08 - Apr 12 by ItchySphincter |
The 'ins' will win the vote.
It would be nice to have reasonable debate because it is a delicate subject with so many subjectives and unknowns but one thing that I firmly believe is that most of the 'outs' on here are driven by a 'bloody foreigner' mentality and it's just not good enough.
I passed a car in Cardiff yesterday plastered in slogans like 'vote leave, think of your children, grandchildren, etc' and I was just dumbstruck, baseless hyberbole. I'm sure I'm not alone here by making a living domestically and internationally and I just can't see what leaving achieves.
Reform yes, exclusion, not so sure. |
Just because you frame 'bloody foreigner' in the contemptuous you do does not mean it is not a real issue that people feel deeply about.
I would argue that voting in the interest of your children and grandchildren makes you a much better person than voting for short term financial gain (take money off the rich etc).
And let us have no elephants. People want Briton to look more like it used to and less like Cairo or Mogadishu. People are scared to death of Islam. Please remember a phobia is an irrational fear.
Lohengrin is probably right I can't really see any major changes if we leave. People will still mindlessly vote Labour and Conservative and get the country they deserve. |  |
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