| Jonah 00:58 - Mar 22 with 9977 views | Frog |
I've only seen him on FLS show highlights but he never seems to be involved in anything positive, just running about and seemingly off the pace. Sad to say, but glad he's not a Dale player this season. |  | | |  |
| Jonah on 17:44 - Mar 23 with 1619 views | ChaffRAFC |
| Jonah on 17:28 - Mar 23 by DorsetDale |
Have to agree. Although the momentous feeling as that penalty went in will be legend amongst those of us there the rest of our lives.
Ask those that know of our promotion but were too young to be there if they've heard of him. Then ask if they've heard of Reg Jenkins, a true legend I never saw play. |
Surely just by definition the likes of Ben Muirhead are legends because we'll be telling tales of the day we got to Wembley because of his penalty. Was he a great servant to the club? No. Was he a top player for us? No, he was decent for a while. But purely by definition he'll be a legend.
As for the original point, Gary Jones is without question a legend at our club. He was a fantastic servant, one of the most influential in our history and one that should only ever be talked about positively in my opinion. I'm with Col in that he was more impressive in his first spell. He was playing next to the likes of Flitcroft and Oliver etc and stood out more. He was driving us forward and without him in midfield, our midfield would have been bang average at best. In his second spell he was again fantastic but was surrounded by the likes of Perkins and Kennedy among others and was equally as effective but we had a much better side.
I've this story before but he's gained legendary status to the point where the text message to confirm he'd left the club under a cloud nearly ruined my honeymoon in Egypt. He deserved an awful lot more than that.
Technically one of the best? No, not remotely close, but there's no doubt he's a legend. |  |
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| Jonah on 19:01 - Mar 23 with 1558 views | DorsetDale |
| Jonah on 17:44 - Mar 23 by ChaffRAFC |
Surely just by definition the likes of Ben Muirhead are legends because we'll be telling tales of the day we got to Wembley because of his penalty. Was he a great servant to the club? No. Was he a top player for us? No, he was decent for a while. But purely by definition he'll be a legend.
As for the original point, Gary Jones is without question a legend at our club. He was a fantastic servant, one of the most influential in our history and one that should only ever be talked about positively in my opinion. I'm with Col in that he was more impressive in his first spell. He was playing next to the likes of Flitcroft and Oliver etc and stood out more. He was driving us forward and without him in midfield, our midfield would have been bang average at best. In his second spell he was again fantastic but was surrounded by the likes of Perkins and Kennedy among others and was equally as effective but we had a much better side.
I've this story before but he's gained legendary status to the point where the text message to confirm he'd left the club under a cloud nearly ruined my honeymoon in Egypt. He deserved an awful lot more than that.
Technically one of the best? No, not remotely close, but there's no doubt he's a legend. |
All about opinions, ours differ on this, no big deal.
However, no legend, by definition, can ever be proven to have existed. |  |
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| Jonah on 19:12 - Mar 23 with 1533 views | D_Alien |
| Jonah on 19:01 - Mar 23 by DorsetDale |
All about opinions, ours differ on this, no big deal.
However, no legend, by definition, can ever be proven to have existed. |
Wittgenstein would be all over that like a rash |  |
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| Jonah on 19:22 - Mar 23 with 1507 views | 442Dale |
| Jonah on 19:12 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
Wittgenstein would be all over that like a rash |
What position does he play? |  |
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| Jonah on 19:38 - Mar 23 with 1485 views | fermin |
| Jonah on 17:44 - Mar 23 by ChaffRAFC |
Surely just by definition the likes of Ben Muirhead are legends because we'll be telling tales of the day we got to Wembley because of his penalty. Was he a great servant to the club? No. Was he a top player for us? No, he was decent for a while. But purely by definition he'll be a legend.
As for the original point, Gary Jones is without question a legend at our club. He was a fantastic servant, one of the most influential in our history and one that should only ever be talked about positively in my opinion. I'm with Col in that he was more impressive in his first spell. He was playing next to the likes of Flitcroft and Oliver etc and stood out more. He was driving us forward and without him in midfield, our midfield would have been bang average at best. In his second spell he was again fantastic but was surrounded by the likes of Perkins and Kennedy among others and was equally as effective but we had a much better side.
I've this story before but he's gained legendary status to the point where the text message to confirm he'd left the club under a cloud nearly ruined my honeymoon in Egypt. He deserved an awful lot more than that.
Technically one of the best? No, not remotely close, but there's no doubt he's a legend. |
I would agree with most of this apart from the Muirhead bit. That's more of a legendary moment.
We must be one of the only clubs in the country where the club's leading appearance holder is not considered a club legend by a number of fans. Swindon Town have a Legends Lounge which I went in after the game - they had a mural behind the bar of all their legends. Most meant nothing to me but they all had seemed to have given long service to the club. I find it hard to believe that if we ever did something similar that Gary Jones would not be one of the Dale players.
For me, to be a legend you would either have to be a long-serving player or an exceptional player who was here for a short period (eg Dawson) or one would made a significant contribution to, say, an important season (eg O'Grady, Simmonds). Even then you would have quite a list which would have to be hacked down a bit to avoid the term 'legend' being overdone.
I think arguing about whether a particular player would get in the top 11 players on the basis of their ability alone is missing the point. Given the recent glut of great strikers we have had here recently would anyone put Reg Jenkins in the top 3 on his ability? I never saw him play but the impression I get is that he was a very good lower league player but would not have hacked it in the higher leagues (like Jones). Is he a club legend? Of course he is.
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| Jonah on 19:39 - Mar 23 with 1485 views | EllGazzell |
| Jonah on 17:44 - Mar 23 by ChaffRAFC |
Surely just by definition the likes of Ben Muirhead are legends because we'll be telling tales of the day we got to Wembley because of his penalty. Was he a great servant to the club? No. Was he a top player for us? No, he was decent for a while. But purely by definition he'll be a legend.
As for the original point, Gary Jones is without question a legend at our club. He was a fantastic servant, one of the most influential in our history and one that should only ever be talked about positively in my opinion. I'm with Col in that he was more impressive in his first spell. He was playing next to the likes of Flitcroft and Oliver etc and stood out more. He was driving us forward and without him in midfield, our midfield would have been bang average at best. In his second spell he was again fantastic but was surrounded by the likes of Perkins and Kennedy among others and was equally as effective but we had a much better side.
I've this story before but he's gained legendary status to the point where the text message to confirm he'd left the club under a cloud nearly ruined my honeymoon in Egypt. He deserved an awful lot more than that.
Technically one of the best? No, not remotely close, but there's no doubt he's a legend. |
Bloody hell Chaff, at this rate we'll all be legends!
You do put forward a much more coherent argument than many SHOUT YOU DOWNS on here but I stand by my assertion that G Jones was an average player who scored good penalties... probably cos he used his pincers to squeeze the ball so it pinged off at a right velocity 😉
I'm with swerving Dorset mervin on this one. |  |
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| Jonah on 20:13 - Mar 23 with 1449 views | fitzochris |
Dat goal against Bristol Rovers, though.
Dat goal against Southampton, though. |  |
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| Jonah on 20:18 - Mar 23 with 1435 views | Frog |
Lyndon Simmonds, a true legend for so many reasons. | | | |
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| Jonah on 20:22 - Mar 23 with 1426 views | ChaffRAFC |
| Jonah on 19:39 - Mar 23 by EllGazzell |
Bloody hell Chaff, at this rate we'll all be legends!
You do put forward a much more coherent argument than many SHOUT YOU DOWNS on here but I stand by my assertion that G Jones was an average player who scored good penalties... probably cos he used his pincers to squeeze the ball so it pinged off at a right velocity 😉
I'm with swerving Dorset mervin on this one. |
You're the biggest legend of all sunshine. | |
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| Jonah on 20:39 - Mar 23 with 1389 views | nordenblue |
| Jonah on 19:39 - Mar 23 by EllGazzell |
Bloody hell Chaff, at this rate we'll all be legends!
You do put forward a much more coherent argument than many SHOUT YOU DOWNS on here but I stand by my assertion that G Jones was an average player who scored good penalties... probably cos he used his pincers to squeeze the ball so it pinged off at a right velocity 😉
I'm with swerving Dorset mervin on this one. |
Average player who scored good penalties?!? I wasn't his biggest fan prior to leaving but to call him average is well wide of the mark | | | |
| Jonah on 21:47 - Mar 23 with 1342 views | 49thseason |
Reg Jenkins would have scored goals in any division if he could get within 25 yards of the goal. The guy had a shot like a howitzer. For those who are too young to have seen him, think Lambert on steroids. I swear that i saw defenders get out of the way when he let fly rather than get floored trying to stop one of his shots. Legend does not start to describe Big Reg he was a phenomenon. |  | | |
| Jonah on 21:52 - Mar 23 with 1333 views | R17ALE |
| Jonah on 21:47 - Mar 23 by 49thseason |
Reg Jenkins would have scored goals in any division if he could get within 25 yards of the goal. The guy had a shot like a howitzer. For those who are too young to have seen him, think Lambert on steroids. I swear that i saw defenders get out of the way when he let fly rather than get floored trying to stop one of his shots. Legend does not start to describe Big Reg he was a phenomenon. |
I remember asking a really old fan what Reg was like and he said he played in the style of Rooney but with a shot like Bobby Charlton!
I'm sure he was exaggerating, but even so, it's a wonderful myth. Or is it true? |  |
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| Jonah on 22:03 - Mar 23 with 1306 views | dingdangblue |
| Jonah on 17:07 - Mar 23 by EllGazzell |
I'm afraid I don't get it...
Murihead's penalty?!?! Next thing you'll be telling me the gate attendant who ushered you to gate 3 efficiently is a legend, or the pie server who gets just the right amount of peas in your tray is a legend! |
Its dead easy to 'get it' , we've not been to Wembley that many times. I'm 40 now, maybe I'll live another 40 years - who knows? And if I get to 80, Ben Muirhead will still be the player who's penalty kick took us to Wembley for the 1st time (maybe the only time)? In our history. The single most ecstatic moment I've felt watching my club and worthy in my eyes of Legendary status for Ben Muirhead. |  |
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| Jonah on 01:40 - Mar 24 with 1246 views | Daley_Lama |
If I met Ben Muirhead in a pub on holiday, if he engaged me I would by him a pint, spend 10 minutes talking about that game, that penalty, Wembley etc. I would run out of things to talk to him about.
If I met Gary Jones in a pub on holiday, if he engaged me I would buy him drinks all night, talk to him about his farewell at China City, his goal at Southampton, his leading out at Wembley, his time as a youth, his managers good and bad, co-workers, ups, downs, Bradford exploits (amazing) Notts C exploits (rewarding). I don't think I would run out of things to talk to him about.
I have the Ben Muirhead moment special for the moment, not the man.
I have Gary Jones special for more moments than I can recall, hence the legend.
As before, each to their own on this, no right, no wrong. |  |
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| Jonah on 07:19 - Mar 24 with 1202 views | EllGazzell |
| Jonah on 22:03 - Mar 23 by dingdangblue |
Its dead easy to 'get it' , we've not been to Wembley that many times. I'm 40 now, maybe I'll live another 40 years - who knows? And if I get to 80, Ben Muirhead will still be the player who's penalty kick took us to Wembley for the 1st time (maybe the only time)? In our history. The single most ecstatic moment I've felt watching my club and worthy in my eyes of Legendary status for Ben Muirhead. |
What I don't get is why you are telling me this, it's completely unrelated to the point you came sticking your beak into.
We were discussing Gary Jones, you started talking about Lionel Messy and now you're onto Ben Muirhead and why he's a legend to you because you're 40 and he kicked a penalty and you went to Wembley and you remember it so that makes you right and me wrong...
I don't give a f**k who you think is great and what/who else is a legend to you, I was talking about Gary Jones. Try to focus on that will you please. | |
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| Jonah on 07:23 - Mar 24 with 1198 views | EllGazzell |
| Jonah on 20:22 - Mar 23 by ChaffRAFC |
You're the biggest legend of all sunshine. |
Coming from you Chaff, that means alot  You know you are one of my heroes don't you. | |
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| Jonah on 07:25 - Mar 24 with 1188 views | aleanddale |
| Jonah on 01:40 - Mar 24 by Daley_Lama |
If I met Ben Muirhead in a pub on holiday, if he engaged me I would by him a pint, spend 10 minutes talking about that game, that penalty, Wembley etc. I would run out of things to talk to him about.
If I met Gary Jones in a pub on holiday, if he engaged me I would buy him drinks all night, talk to him about his farewell at China City, his goal at Southampton, his leading out at Wembley, his time as a youth, his managers good and bad, co-workers, ups, downs, Bradford exploits (amazing) Notts C exploits (rewarding). I don't think I would run out of things to talk to him about.
I have the Ben Muirhead moment special for the moment, not the man.
I have Gary Jones special for more moments than I can recall, hence the legend.
As before, each to their own on this, no right, no wrong. |
Just where is TS on this thread!!
For positive contribution ie not being crap..
Reg Jenkins
little Lyndon
Steve Taylor
Gary jones
Not necessarily in that order but they would be the 4 I pick.
Muirhead is not a legend.. The moment was but not the player. [Post edited 24 Mar 2015 8:34]
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| Jonah on 07:51 - Mar 24 with 1173 views | EllGazzell |
| Jonah on 07:25 - Mar 24 by aleanddale |
Just where is TS on this thread!!
For positive contribution ie not being crap..
Reg Jenkins
little Lyndon
Steve Taylor
Gary jones
Not necessarily in that order but they would be the 4 I pick.
Muirhead is not a legend.. The moment was but not the player. [Post edited 24 Mar 2015 8:34]
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I'll go with my top team from my time watching Dale.
GK - Neil Edwards
LB - Lee Todd
RB - Wayne Evans
CB - Richard Jobson
CB - Alan Reeves
LM - Paul Simpson
RM - Tony Ford (Legend)
CM - Alex Russell
CM - Jason Peake
FW - Grant Holt
FW - Chris O Grady
For me, the one player who is a Rochdale legend is Tony Ford for what he accomplished during his career and capped with Dale. I thought he was a bit crap towards the end of his playing days and the team carried him a bit, but to have a player with an MBE, playing past 40 and scoring goals makes him n.1 for me. | |
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| Jonah on 08:30 - Mar 24 with 1149 views | dingdangblue |
| Jonah on 07:19 - Mar 24 by EllGazzell |
What I don't get is why you are telling me this, it's completely unrelated to the point you came sticking your beak into.
We were discussing Gary Jones, you started talking about Lionel Messy and now you're onto Ben Muirhead and why he's a legend to you because you're 40 and he kicked a penalty and you went to Wembley and you remember it so that makes you right and me wrong...
I don't give a f**k who you think is great and what/who else is a legend to you, I was talking about Gary Jones. Try to focus on that will you please. |
Right, not quite sure where that outburst came from, but each to their own. My beak as you so pleasantly phrased it came in because it a fans forum? Message board? People make comments and other people counter comment , some agree, some disagree and everyone has their viewpoints. I initially commented on your post in relation to the "For Dale? I'm not sure there would be anyone really who would be good enough to attain legend status. Hence them playing at Rochdale." statement. Just because someone is playing for Dale in my eyes doesn't come into it - are we not allowed any Legends because we are Rochdale? Anyway you have Tony Ford and I'll have mine. | |
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| Jonah on 08:33 - Mar 24 with 1142 views | fitzochris |
| Jonah on 07:51 - Mar 24 by EllGazzell |
I'll go with my top team from my time watching Dale.
GK - Neil Edwards
LB - Lee Todd
RB - Wayne Evans
CB - Richard Jobson
CB - Alan Reeves
LM - Paul Simpson
RM - Tony Ford (Legend)
CM - Alex Russell
CM - Jason Peake
FW - Grant Holt
FW - Chris O Grady
For me, the one player who is a Rochdale legend is Tony Ford for what he accomplished during his career and capped with Dale. I thought he was a bit crap towards the end of his playing days and the team carried him a bit, but to have a player with an MBE, playing past 40 and scoring goals makes him n.1 for me. |
I'd find a way to get Mark Stuart and Gareth Griffiths in there but yeah, I like the look of that. | |
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| Jonah on 08:38 - Mar 24 with 1134 views | TalkingSutty |
| Jonah on 07:25 - Mar 24 by aleanddale |
Just where is TS on this thread!!
For positive contribution ie not being crap..
Reg Jenkins
little Lyndon
Steve Taylor
Gary jones
Not necessarily in that order but they would be the 4 I pick.
Muirhead is not a legend.. The moment was but not the player. [Post edited 24 Mar 2015 8:34]
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Busy at the moment.... still searching Pendle Hill. [Post edited 24 Mar 2015 8:41]
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| Jonah on 08:56 - Mar 24 with 1114 views | aleanddale |
| Jonah on 07:51 - Mar 24 by EllGazzell |
I'll go with my top team from my time watching Dale.
GK - Neil Edwards
LB - Lee Todd
RB - Wayne Evans
CB - Richard Jobson
CB - Alan Reeves
LM - Paul Simpson
RM - Tony Ford (Legend)
CM - Alex Russell
CM - Jason Peake
FW - Grant Holt
FW - Chris O Grady
For me, the one player who is a Rochdale legend is Tony Ford for what he accomplished during his career and capped with Dale. I thought he was a bit crap towards the end of his playing days and the team carried him a bit, but to have a player with an MBE, playing past 40 and scoring goals makes him n.1 for me. |
Each to their own EG but ford a legend over Jones??
Not for me but that's why this message board is great.
Up the Dale. | | | |
| Jonah on 09:00 - Mar 24 with 1107 views | TommoRAFC |
| Jonah on 07:51 - Mar 24 by EllGazzell |
I'll go with my top team from my time watching Dale.
GK - Neil Edwards
LB - Lee Todd
RB - Wayne Evans
CB - Richard Jobson
CB - Alan Reeves
LM - Paul Simpson
RM - Tony Ford (Legend)
CM - Alex Russell
CM - Jason Peake
FW - Grant Holt
FW - Chris O Grady
For me, the one player who is a Rochdale legend is Tony Ford for what he accomplished during his career and capped with Dale. I thought he was a bit crap towards the end of his playing days and the team carried him a bit, but to have a player with an MBE, playing past 40 and scoring goals makes him n.1 for me. |
Being a bit younger...
Matt Gilks
Scott Wiseman
Craig Dawson
Jack O'Connell
Tom Kennedy
Iain Henderson
Gary Jones
David Perkins
Scott Hogan
Chris O'Grady
Rickie Lambert | |
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| Jonah on 09:30 - Mar 24 with 1090 views | ChaffRAFC |
Edwards
Evans
Dawson
Reeves
Kennedy
Henderson
Jones
Perkins
McCourt
Holt
O'Grady
Some cracking players who don't quite make it on that list like Whitehall, Monington, Peake, Russell, Simpson, Todd, Ian Gray, Lambert etc. | |
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| Jonah on 09:35 - Mar 24 with 1081 views | EllGazzell |
| Jonah on 08:30 - Mar 24 by dingdangblue |
Right, not quite sure where that outburst came from, but each to their own. My beak as you so pleasantly phrased it came in because it a fans forum? Message board? People make comments and other people counter comment , some agree, some disagree and everyone has their viewpoints. I initially commented on your post in relation to the "For Dale? I'm not sure there would be anyone really who would be good enough to attain legend status. Hence them playing at Rochdale." statement. Just because someone is playing for Dale in my eyes doesn't come into it - are we not allowed any Legends because we are Rochdale? Anyway you have Tony Ford and I'll have mine. |
You're still struggling to grasp the root of this aren't you! Your beak was shoved in somewhere with a sarcastic tone, not a contrary opinion, that's why I took to pick you up on it (not an outburst).
"Erm, I would imagine that playing for Dale would have to be a definite condition for them to be a Dale legend!  ...............if not can I pick Lionel Messi?"
There are many other opinions on this thread that are counter to mine, I did not react to them did I?
Don't try to play the "it's a message board and I'm entitled to my opinion" card, that's not the way you entered into this thread is it?
You're right on all counts of message board freedom etc. | |
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