| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 137266 views | ted_hendrix |
That's where our new ground will be. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:56 - Oct 28 with 3496 views | NewBee |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:56 - Oct 28 by switchingcode |
Brentford’s new stadium is built on around 22000 square metres and holds 17500
Loftus road is just over 18000 square metres so the option of building a 25000 + stadium on the site is not there.Would have thought LC site would be perfect and the sale of LR would go a long way towards the build costs. |
I'm not sure it's quite so simple as that.
For one thing, BFC's 22,000 sq metres is severely compromised by the triangular footprint of the site (see eg the lowered stands on the SE and SW sides of the ground).
Also, it would have been possible to accommodate 20k seats at BFC, until the accountants calculated that including extra Premium/Corporate places at the expense of 2,750 regular seats would generate increased revenues overall, even with the reduced capacity.
So it may be that the KPS could be re-built to hold 20k fans (just), but the owners have decided against on one or more of four grounds (no pun intended):
1. The need to re-build upwards is severely compromised by neighbouring properties' Rights of Ancient Lights etc?
2. Even if you could get round the above, the cost per seat of a complete rebuild of the old stadium would be so high that it would take decades to get it back, esp if the ground had to be part-closed during the process or (worse) the club had to move out for a period. And even then, it would be heavily dependent on regular PL football to fill it at premium prices;
3. Faced with the above, the competing allure of eg 40k at Car Giant or 30k at the LCS, turned the owners' heads elsewhere, such that they ignored the drawbacks involved with sites like those?
4. Maybe they've finally figured that the cost of any of the above is more than they're willing to bear and are just hoping that they can get the club into the PL and keep them there for more than a season or two, then sell up to some rich Arab sheikh or Russian oligarch who has the money to throw at providing a PL-quality stadium for a PL club, whether in W12 or elsewhere?
Either way it is, perhaps, pertinent that BFC's owner acknowledges that our new stadium is not sustainable with Championship football in the long-term.
Rather it needs regular (though not necessarily continuous?) PL football to make the numbers add up. And for that to be achieved, the club needs to be consistently better managed than comparably-sized or bigger clubs. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:35 - Oct 28 with 3349 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:52 - Oct 28 by bosh67 |
I've always said that with the right planning and architects that Loftus Road could be completely redesigned to hold about 23000 which is catchment wise all we are ever going to get. It is a 10 minute walk from trains and the club would do better to come to some arrangement in the area to gain car park lease arrangements somewhere in Shepherd's Bush or north of the ground somewhere. The bottom line is with rail sating in the lower sections, a total rebuild with boxes etc in a high tech roof and the club actually leasing or owning car parks in the area, which would turn a profit, we would be better off staying where we are. |
Agree, great post.
The highway on South Africa Road is unnecessarily wide (and just encourages speeding in a residential area) and as part of traffic calming this section of road could be narrowed and the footpath re-aligned to give us an extra strip of land.
This would enable a new 'corporate / commercial space' to be bolted on to the existing South Africa Road at 1st & 2nd (& 3rd) Floor Levels, cantilevering over the existing (and widened if H&F see sense) footpath.
If Corporate Boxes / Lounges could be accommodated at the highest level, this would allow for the Lower Tier to be re-introduced to South Africa as was pre-80's, maybe even with Rail Seating. This would also hugely improve facilities in the South Africa Road stand with more space for eating + drinking on match-days and non-match-day external hire.
£ 10m would go a long way on a project of this scale, there would be limited disruption to existing match-day attendances, and size-wise, would give us the 23k capacity as mentioned above. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:56 - Oct 28 with 3268 views | BostonR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:35 - Oct 28 by ParkRoyalR |
Agree, great post.
The highway on South Africa Road is unnecessarily wide (and just encourages speeding in a residential area) and as part of traffic calming this section of road could be narrowed and the footpath re-aligned to give us an extra strip of land.
This would enable a new 'corporate / commercial space' to be bolted on to the existing South Africa Road at 1st & 2nd (& 3rd) Floor Levels, cantilevering over the existing (and widened if H&F see sense) footpath.
If Corporate Boxes / Lounges could be accommodated at the highest level, this would allow for the Lower Tier to be re-introduced to South Africa as was pre-80's, maybe even with Rail Seating. This would also hugely improve facilities in the South Africa Road stand with more space for eating + drinking on match-days and non-match-day external hire.
£ 10m would go a long way on a project of this scale, there would be limited disruption to existing match-day attendances, and size-wise, would give us the 23k capacity as mentioned above. |
What about the other three stands where you can hardly sit-down?
I sense the decision has been made to bin LR and relocate. Yes, that could take 5-10yrs but if the right site appears a new stadium could be realised within 5 yrs. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:09 - Oct 28 with 3213 views | Juzzie |
Playing devil's advocate here but maybe H&F's comment about Warren Farm was in relation to what was happening at the time, two years ago.
The comment about our owners being from overseas is indeed baffling.
If they are that worried (irrespective of the origins of the clubs owners) could there be something in place that prevents the land sold on at a later date and a peppercorn rent is in place? In effect, something to actually protect the club too≥ |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:20 - Oct 28 with 3146 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:56 - Oct 28 by BostonR |
What about the other three stands where you can hardly sit-down?
I sense the decision has been made to bin LR and relocate. Yes, that could take 5-10yrs but if the right site appears a new stadium could be realised within 5 yrs. |
Lower Loft & Lower School End could go to Rail Seating which might improve leg-room.
Upper Loft & School End & Ellerslie could maybe have a seating upgrade as there must be a more ergonomic / non-shin irritant seat-back launched in the stadium seating market since ours were installed maybe 30+ years ago?
Reuben mentioned at Bond launch that the club would be at Loftus Road for the foreseeable future, £10m is not a huge investment to upgrade Loftus Road to a level acceptable to the current match-day fans and the likely 5k extra support that returns with a winning team. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:27 - Oct 28 with 3117 views | connell10 |
Build it in West Drayton and could walk or get pushed in my wheel chair depending how long it takes to get built! |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:53 - Oct 28 with 3043 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:09 - Oct 28 by Juzzie |
Playing devil's advocate here but maybe H&F's comment about Warren Farm was in relation to what was happening at the time, two years ago.
The comment about our owners being from overseas is indeed baffling.
If they are that worried (irrespective of the origins of the clubs owners) could there be something in place that prevents the land sold on at a later date and a peppercorn rent is in place? In effect, something to actually protect the club too≥ |
why bring it up then if it's from 2 years ago? Just seemed bizarre |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:54 - Oct 28 with 3040 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:20 - Oct 28 by ParkRoyalR |
Lower Loft & Lower School End could go to Rail Seating which might improve leg-room.
Upper Loft & School End & Ellerslie could maybe have a seating upgrade as there must be a more ergonomic / non-shin irritant seat-back launched in the stadium seating market since ours were installed maybe 30+ years ago?
Reuben mentioned at Bond launch that the club would be at Loftus Road for the foreseeable future, £10m is not a huge investment to upgrade Loftus Road to a level acceptable to the current match-day fans and the likely 5k extra support that returns with a winning team. |
leg room in lower loft is actually quite good | | | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 17:11 - Oct 28 with 2957 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:54 - Oct 28 by daveB |
leg room in lower loft is actually quite good |
That'll save a few quid, likewise did'nt think Ellerslie was as cramped as Loft & South Africa Uppers?
If £ 6.8m was raised in the Bond sale in 10 days for the new training ground, maybe a similar value Bond to upgrade the ground as above might help the club to do sooner rather than later? | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 18:14 - Oct 28 with 2768 views | GloryHunter |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:35 - Oct 28 by ParkRoyalR |
Agree, great post.
The highway on South Africa Road is unnecessarily wide (and just encourages speeding in a residential area) and as part of traffic calming this section of road could be narrowed and the footpath re-aligned to give us an extra strip of land.
This would enable a new 'corporate / commercial space' to be bolted on to the existing South Africa Road at 1st & 2nd (& 3rd) Floor Levels, cantilevering over the existing (and widened if H&F see sense) footpath.
If Corporate Boxes / Lounges could be accommodated at the highest level, this would allow for the Lower Tier to be re-introduced to South Africa as was pre-80's, maybe even with Rail Seating. This would also hugely improve facilities in the South Africa Road stand with more space for eating + drinking on match-days and non-match-day external hire.
£ 10m would go a long way on a project of this scale, there would be limited disruption to existing match-day attendances, and size-wise, would give us the 23k capacity as mentioned above. |
I've been thinking exactly the same thing. In addition to this - and I apologise if this has been discussed before - might there be any possibility of buying the school? It would require building them a new school very close, say on the site of the five-a-side pitches?
The school site could then be used for all the club offices, restaurants & bars, maybe even the changing rooms under the school end stand. That would free up the redevelopment of the whole of the SARd stand, including extending it out into a narrowed or closed South Africa Road. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:18 - Oct 28 with 2537 views | stowmarketrange |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:54 - Oct 28 by daveB |
leg room in lower loft is actually quite good |
It won’t be if they put rail seating in as the seats will mean less leg room to accommodate the rails. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:22 - Oct 28 with 2524 views | CamberleyR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 17:11 - Oct 28 by ParkRoyalR |
That'll save a few quid, likewise did'nt think Ellerslie was as cramped as Loft & South Africa Uppers?
If £ 6.8m was raised in the Bond sale in 10 days for the new training ground, maybe a similar value Bond to upgrade the ground as above might help the club to do sooner rather than later? |
Ellerslie not cramped?
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:41 - Oct 28 with 2457 views | HanwellHoopster |
I don't think H&F Council's statement is all that baffling. We were fairly disparaging about them, despite not making a serious offer to them - including being unwilling to pay (from what they've said) for the LCS site.
Fine, foreign owners comment perhaps OTT, but it plays in to the narrative of overseas investors buying up property in London, leaving it empty, (see: the future of Loftus Road) with locals priced out and forced to move further afield.
I don't take what the club say on this issue seriously at all. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:49 - Oct 28 with 2427 views | QPR_Jim |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:07 - Oct 28 by daveB |
hard to approach them when they have said they are doing a public consultation on the site and will announce what they plan to do with it which is what the club are waiting for |
They did that ages ago and still haven't got to an answer, so I'm sure they wouldn't shoot down any suggestions. Besides I thought they were trying to get Imperial College on board as an alternative to us at one point, so it wouldn't be too dissimilar to that option they preferred to us anyway. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:59 - Oct 28 with 2404 views | LythamR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 18:14 - Oct 28 by GloryHunter |
I've been thinking exactly the same thing. In addition to this - and I apologise if this has been discussed before - might there be any possibility of buying the school? It would require building them a new school very close, say on the site of the five-a-side pitches?
The school site could then be used for all the club offices, restaurants & bars, maybe even the changing rooms under the school end stand. That would free up the redevelopment of the whole of the SARd stand, including extending it out into a narrowed or closed South Africa Road. |
The school land was offered to the club on a plate during the Chris Wright years, it would have been a great solution but it was rejected by the club, i suppose its possible that a big money bid might make it available again but it would also rely on good relations with the council.
any attempt to expand the ground without the school land is doomed, its been examined countless times before |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:06 - Oct 28 with 2371 views | GloryHunter |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:59 - Oct 28 by LythamR |
The school land was offered to the club on a plate during the Chris Wright years, it would have been a great solution but it was rejected by the club, i suppose its possible that a big money bid might make it available again but it would also rely on good relations with the council.
any attempt to expand the ground without the school land is doomed, its been examined countless times before |
Yes I know Chris Wright missed a trick in buying out the school, but even now it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than buying all the houses on Ellerslie and Loftus Road, and it would be easier to find a nearby site to build a new school than to build a new stadium. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:08 - Oct 28 with 2366 views | DWQPR |
I think that the council that would be delighted to host the club and have already proved once that they would do what they can for the club is Ealing. There is plenty of potential sites around the Borough from the regeneration of Park Royal both north and south of the A40. Also I seem to recall a few years back that the Butlers Warehouse site in Greenford was muted for a stadium for the club. North of this around the Glaxo site massive regeneration is going on and the transport links are still good with the tube and also rail links to Paddington. Personally I would give H&F two fingers. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:19 - Oct 28 with 2325 views | RBlock |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 18:14 - Oct 28 by GloryHunter |
I've been thinking exactly the same thing. In addition to this - and I apologise if this has been discussed before - might there be any possibility of buying the school? It would require building them a new school very close, say on the site of the five-a-side pitches?
The school site could then be used for all the club offices, restaurants & bars, maybe even the changing rooms under the school end stand. That would free up the redevelopment of the whole of the SARd stand, including extending it out into a narrowed or closed South Africa Road. |
Lol, can you see that going down well? Sacking off the local (and pretty new) five aside pitches used by the kids in White City, as well as our own Community Trust? Bonkers.
Maybe if we then build new five aside pitches over Wormholt Park. But then where do we build a new park? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:28 - Oct 28 with 2270 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:06 - Oct 28 by GloryHunter |
Yes I know Chris Wright missed a trick in buying out the school, but even now it would be a hell of a lot cheaper than buying all the houses on Ellerslie and Loftus Road, and it would be easier to find a nearby site to build a new school than to build a new stadium. |
They could build the school at the Linford Christie site | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:36 - Oct 28 with 2251 views | LythamR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:28 - Oct 28 by daveB |
They could build the school at the Linford Christie site |
that would go down well with locals and the council, might as well offer to build it in Heston | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:55 - Oct 28 with 2198 views | OldPedro |
Interesting thread from the SecureRFuture twitter account
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:57 - Oct 28 with 2185 views | davman |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:41 - Oct 28 by HanwellHoopster |
I don't think H&F Council's statement is all that baffling. We were fairly disparaging about them, despite not making a serious offer to them - including being unwilling to pay (from what they've said) for the LCS site.
Fine, foreign owners comment perhaps OTT, but it plays in to the narrative of overseas investors buying up property in London, leaving it empty, (see: the future of Loftus Road) with locals priced out and forced to move further afield.
I don't take what the club say on this issue seriously at all. |
All amateurish blustering on both sides.
If we are not offering to pay the going rate for the land, it is cheeky in the extreme. But they're comment about the lack of money for the training ground is irrelevant to this debate and the statement about fan ownership is an utter joke - does anyone think that they suggested that to Scum or Fulham whilst they were helping them out.
Seems like the links to the Warren Farm saboteurs is a constant with this lot... |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:01 - Oct 28 with 2169 views | KerryE |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:22 - Oct 28 by CamberleyR |
Ellerslie not cramped?
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Was in Ellerslie for 1st time in 15 years on Tuesday.
My god, no wonder new fans only come once.
And that is our biggest problem imo.
Could Ellerslie be made entirely rail standing? | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:10 - Oct 28 with 2145 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:36 - Oct 28 by LythamR |
that would go down well with locals and the council, might as well offer to build it in Heston |
I was joking, I know that's a no go | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:10 - Oct 28 with 3284 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:01 - Oct 28 by KerryE |
Was in Ellerslie for 1st time in 15 years on Tuesday.
My god, no wonder new fans only come once.
And that is our biggest problem imo.
Could Ellerslie be made entirely rail standing? |
it should be but there is an obsession to make lower loft the safe standing so Ellerslie will have to stay as cramped as it is. | | | |
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