| Lower Loft Renewals... 14:17 - May 22 with 30923 views | Southend_Rss |
My mate sits in NL and has had an email saying that he has to move unless he has a child with him next year. It's to do with making it a new family stand.. Anyone else sit in the lower loft and had an email from the club?? That's gonna cause problems trying to relocate surely.. |  | | |  |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:13 - May 24 with 2377 views | HollowayRanger |
to be totally fair and honest
shouldnt be lower loft as like said its the heartbeat of the home fans
shouldnt be paddocks as ones too near away fans which just leaves one which doesnt hold that many and is uncovered
the best by far place to me has to be the ellerslie road stand near the half way line or towards our own half where they could section a part off dependent on how many take up the offer
sorry to anyone sitting there! just my idea
sooner we get a new ground the better eh! hope the season ticket holders get first blooming dibs!  |  |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 14:44 - May 25 with 2250 views | lowerloftgirl |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:40 - May 24 by Jamie |
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We have double checked ourselves and with the helpdesk and the system is
> not allowing those without juniors to book their existing seats.
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> Yes we can have a look at the best available seats and arrange a viewing
> when you come to the Box Office.
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> Kind Regards,
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> Box Office
> QPR Holdings Limited
Thank you for getting back to me again. I can assure you that some people
have renewed. I look forward to seeing you in the near future in regard to
assisting my group relocate TOGETHER. But for the record I again wish to
state how badly this whole thing has been carried out, for all the very
good things you have done Mr Fernandes, this is completely wrong, the
lower loft is no place for a proper family stand, and what does it say to
all the families that are now being displaced from there, thought we were
a family club !!!!!
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 14:52 - May 25 with 2242 views | PinnerPaul |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:09 - May 24 by Clubber |
Not really when something is part of your life for that long . |
It is STILL a part of your life but with a different view - so overreaction is probably fair IMHO | | | |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 18:43 - May 25 with 2195 views | SomersetHoops |
I suppose for me its a history thing really. In the pre-seating days I used to get to LR early and get to the front behind the goal. I've still got my certificate of being there on 16th April 1994 the last time before the seats were put in. Apparently (before my time) the terrace was first used in 1938 and then had a capacity of over 6000.
Towards the last days of the terracing I used to take my young son and his mate and if we were a bit later than usual the fans would guide them to the front so they had a good view. There was swearing, but I considered it to be part of football and I don't think hearing a few swear words did them any harm. In these sanitised days it won't be long before kids will not be allowed out unless they are wrapped in cotton wool, blindfolded and with fitted earplugs to avoid them feeling, hearing or seeing anything that might be offensive.
The thing is in those days it was 'The Loft' that made QPR what it was and where the most noise and atmosphere came from. TF seems to recognise what part the fans played in our survival but on the other hand he is trying to sanitise the historic roots of our support.
No opposition fans were supposed to be allowed into it and would not try to get into 'The Loft' unless they were deliberately looking for a fight, because it was where the most committed QPR supporters were to be found. If anyone went OTT with behaviour they were soon told by their fellow supporters
It seems to me the a better place for a family stand would be in the lower middle of the Ellerslie Road although I daresay people who have been there for years would not be happy if it meant they had to move so probably TF can't win.
I'm sure the motives are good and I am not condoning some of the really unpleasant abuse which should not be tolerated by the fans nearby the perpetrators , but in my view if you really think you never want your kids to hear swearing don't take them to football. |  |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 19:22 - May 25 with 2177 views | ted_hendrix |
Does anyone here remember the tea hut in the corner of the loft (Ellersie Road side)
I do, I remember It from 1958 my first game at QPR.
Nobody gives a fck anymore, move out the way............... |  |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:24 - May 25 with 2141 views | Sharpy |
Don`t worry Ted, the same people who are enjoying the charade on here will be the first moaning when they can`t get tickets next season, as a few hundred of you will now be sitting in them seats.
And i snapped the 4 key off my laptop today, talk about un-lucky. |  |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 20:56 - May 31 with 2041 views | lowerloftgirl |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:24 - May 25 by Sharpy |
Don`t worry Ted, the same people who are enjoying the charade on here will be the first moaning when they can`t get tickets next season, as a few hundred of you will now be sitting in them seats.
And i snapped the 4 key off my laptop today, talk about un-lucky. |
Hi all, quick update, a group of us representing 9 potentially 14 season ticket holders whom this affects in the lower loft went to the club on monday. After having been shown to possible seating in the elles' and upper loft, it became clear very quickly that a number of problems arose, one, but the most important was that a number of the group could not actually fit in the seats, elles' has far tighter seats than the lower loft, and the upper loft was smaller still. These fans have nowhere else they can sit. The lower loft was designed back in the day to have far more leg and side room following requests by the taller / wider supporter, and for that reason many fans choose to sit there. In short we have at this stage chosen not to renew our season tickets, a dialogue has now been opened with Phil Beard, and we await his reply. As soon as this happens I will post more details of our position and the clubs reply. I will add that while at the club we met many other angry and shocked fans at the poor decision by the club. This must be reversed ! | | | |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:01 - May 31 with 2035 views | lowerloftgirl |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 20:56 - May 31 by lowerloftgirl |
Hi all, quick update, a group of us representing 9 potentially 14 season ticket holders whom this affects in the lower loft went to the club on monday. After having been shown to possible seating in the elles' and upper loft, it became clear very quickly that a number of problems arose, one, but the most important was that a number of the group could not actually fit in the seats, elles' has far tighter seats than the lower loft, and the upper loft was smaller still. These fans have nowhere else they can sit. The lower loft was designed back in the day to have far more leg and side room following requests by the taller / wider supporter, and for that reason many fans choose to sit there. In short we have at this stage chosen not to renew our season tickets, a dialogue has now been opened with Phil Beard, and we await his reply. As soon as this happens I will post more details of our position and the clubs reply. I will add that while at the club we met many other angry and shocked fans at the poor decision by the club. This must be reversed ! |
Paul Warburton/FUlham Chronicle
QPR fans fume over season tickets
May 31 2012
HUNDREDS of QPR fans are bitterly disappointed after being forced to give up their season tickets in the lower Loft at Loftus Road.
Instead, the club intends to make the stand behind one of the goals an exclusive family area at the expense of stalwarts – some of whom have sat in the same seat for 20 years.
Peter Gates from West Kensington was just one of several contacting Chronicle Sport to complain.
“Rangers are my club and I don’t want to knock them – but I don’t think they’ve thought this through," he said.
“Why not make the Ellerslie Road stand for families?
“There are families, friends who have sat in the lower Loft for years who are being told to sit elsewhere – and I don’t want to.â€Â
Fan Paul Greenhill added: “There is already talk of the family stand open to abuse with borrowed birth certificates being in order to qualify as ‘family’.â€Â
Stuart Bilbe said: “The club have offered to sell us a gold rated season ticket at the price of a silver – but I’m told we would have to make up the difference the season after this.â€Â
However, the club insist a family friendly lower Loft is the future.
A spokesman said: “We are a family club and that's how we have positioned ourselves for many years, and even more so since the takeover last summer.
“This is not a decision we've taken lightly or indeed quickly. It’s a progression from a decision we took a couple of years ago to try and fill that specific area of the ground with young families, who are the life and soul of our supporter base and our future for many years to come.
“We have had a few isolated incidents in the family stand over the last few years, mainly foul and abusive language, which have highlighted the need for change in this area.†| | | |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:05 - May 31 with 2029 views | lowerloftgirl |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:01 - May 31 by lowerloftgirl |
Paul Warburton/FUlham Chronicle
QPR fans fume over season tickets
May 31 2012
HUNDREDS of QPR fans are bitterly disappointed after being forced to give up their season tickets in the lower Loft at Loftus Road.
Instead, the club intends to make the stand behind one of the goals an exclusive family area at the expense of stalwarts – some of whom have sat in the same seat for 20 years.
Peter Gates from West Kensington was just one of several contacting Chronicle Sport to complain.
“Rangers are my club and I don’t want to knock them – but I don’t think they’ve thought this through," he said.
“Why not make the Ellerslie Road stand for families?
“There are families, friends who have sat in the lower Loft for years who are being told to sit elsewhere – and I don’t want to.â€Â
Fan Paul Greenhill added: “There is already talk of the family stand open to abuse with borrowed birth certificates being in order to qualify as ‘family’.â€Â
Stuart Bilbe said: “The club have offered to sell us a gold rated season ticket at the price of a silver – but I’m told we would have to make up the difference the season after this.â€Â
However, the club insist a family friendly lower Loft is the future.
A spokesman said: “We are a family club and that's how we have positioned ourselves for many years, and even more so since the takeover last summer.
“This is not a decision we've taken lightly or indeed quickly. It’s a progression from a decision we took a couple of years ago to try and fill that specific area of the ground with young families, who are the life and soul of our supporter base and our future for many years to come.
“We have had a few isolated incidents in the family stand over the last few years, mainly foul and abusive language, which have highlighted the need for change in this area.†|
This is QPR1st's Statement from yesterday
QPR1st
Season Tickets and the Family Stand
Published May 28, 2012
QPR1st is pleased that prices for existing season ticket holders wishing to renew have not been increased. We urge the Club to publish the cost of new season tickets immediately for sake of clarity and transparency as it is not presently obvious if these will be the same price as renewals or different.
We also sympathise with the club’s ambition to create a family stand in the Lower Loft and acknowledge that the aim is to create an environment that will encourage families and a new generation of QPR supporters.
It is disappointing that this initiative comes at the cost of moving fans that have had seats in that area for many years. Supporters build an emotional relationship with their part of the ground and the people who they watch with: they are more than just seats in a sports stadium
We ask the club to reconsider this policy and request that fans are only asked to move on a voluntary basis to reduce upset and resentment created between fans and club. The trust will support the club in having a vigorous behaviour policy in the stand to ensure an atmosphere that is conducive to attracting families to QPR. | | | |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:22 - May 31 with 2015 views | BlackCrowe |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:05 - May 31 by lowerloftgirl |
This is QPR1st's Statement from yesterday
QPR1st
Season Tickets and the Family Stand
Published May 28, 2012
QPR1st is pleased that prices for existing season ticket holders wishing to renew have not been increased. We urge the Club to publish the cost of new season tickets immediately for sake of clarity and transparency as it is not presently obvious if these will be the same price as renewals or different.
We also sympathise with the club’s ambition to create a family stand in the Lower Loft and acknowledge that the aim is to create an environment that will encourage families and a new generation of QPR supporters.
It is disappointing that this initiative comes at the cost of moving fans that have had seats in that area for many years. Supporters build an emotional relationship with their part of the ground and the people who they watch with: they are more than just seats in a sports stadium
We ask the club to reconsider this policy and request that fans are only asked to move on a voluntary basis to reduce upset and resentment created between fans and club. The trust will support the club in having a vigorous behaviour policy in the stand to ensure an atmosphere that is conducive to attracting families to QPR. |
Whatever the rights or wrongs (and there's certainly more latter than former), Trust's statement sounds both pretty pompous ('we are pleased...') and threatening to me (to reduce upset and resentment created between fans and club"). Also what does 'supporting the club in having vigorous behaviour policy' actually mean.
I'm sorry but i do understand the concerns of the LL ST holders and think it's all been ill thought through but the tone of the reaction to the best owners in my QPR lifetime is quite depressing. No I am not effected being in the East Paddock but I am 99% certain I wouldn't adopt the 'it's my seat not yours' attitude towards them.
FFS, we're all going to probably go to a new stadium before long inshallah. What then? - refuse to move? |  |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:34 - May 31 with 1996 views | daveB |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:22 - May 31 by BlackCrowe |
Whatever the rights or wrongs (and there's certainly more latter than former), Trust's statement sounds both pretty pompous ('we are pleased...') and threatening to me (to reduce upset and resentment created between fans and club"). Also what does 'supporting the club in having vigorous behaviour policy' actually mean.
I'm sorry but i do understand the concerns of the LL ST holders and think it's all been ill thought through but the tone of the reaction to the best owners in my QPR lifetime is quite depressing. No I am not effected being in the East Paddock but I am 99% certain I wouldn't adopt the 'it's my seat not yours' attitude towards them.
FFS, we're all going to probably go to a new stadium before long inshallah. What then? - refuse to move? |
for all the good and great things the new owners have done since they come in this is a pretty disasterous move by them. we now have long term fans walking away and we're going to have a lot of empty seats due to a few isolated incidents of swearing in the last 4 years
still no statement from the club to explain why they are doing just club sources to local rags.
it may just be a seat to some people but it's the family groups being split up which i find disgusting, just because you go past the age of 21 your dad and brothers are still your dad and brothers but that no longer counts as family at qpr.
as said many times before this was something that would work in a new stadium but is madness trying to implement this at loftus road.
best case the club are hoping for then is for people to move and it's all kids in the lower loft with no swearing (lets hope they don't listen to the players) but that means empty seats for night games and very few seats avaliable for members anymore
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:51 - May 31 with 1968 views | wombat |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:34 - May 31 by daveB |
for all the good and great things the new owners have done since they come in this is a pretty disasterous move by them. we now have long term fans walking away and we're going to have a lot of empty seats due to a few isolated incidents of swearing in the last 4 years
still no statement from the club to explain why they are doing just club sources to local rags.
it may just be a seat to some people but it's the family groups being split up which i find disgusting, just because you go past the age of 21 your dad and brothers are still your dad and brothers but that no longer counts as family at qpr.
as said many times before this was something that would work in a new stadium but is madness trying to implement this at loftus road.
best case the club are hoping for then is for people to move and it's all kids in the lower loft with no swearing (lets hope they don't listen to the players) but that means empty seats for night games and very few seats avaliable for members anymore
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Spoke to two mates this week both long term season ticket holders in the lower loft , both have decided NOT to renew next season due to this rule . Won't go other the same old ground as many others have , but this is a cock up by the board , prob there first real cock up since they have been in charge .
I hope they see sense before a lot more fans walk away and settle for watching games on sky or via any of the numerous computer links Aval each sat |  |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:56 - May 31 with 1965 views | Stanisgod |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 14:52 - May 25 by PinnerPaul |
It is STILL a part of your life but with a different view - so overreaction is probably fair IMHO |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 13:26 - Jun 2 with 1883 views | lowerloftgirl |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:56 - May 31 by Stanisgod |
Prize idiot |
Dear Mr Beard,
Thank you for your reply to the below email which I today recieved in the
post. I am sadden by your response at this stage. As you are aware you
spoke directly to Mr ********* a member of our group last monday outside
the box office, and he has since emailed you as requested, so a full
response to the position you and the club take will be taken by our group
of reciept of a direct reply from you to him as promised. But please note
carefully a major point in his correspondence to you in regard to the fact
that a number of our group simply physically can not sit in other stands
due to the much smaller seats there. We look forward to your urgent reply
to Mr ********* email, which so far has not been recieved.
Thank you
Mr **********
Below, clubs letter recieved today.
QUEENS PARK RANGERS
Dear Mr *******
First of all I would like to personally thank you for the feedback you have given the club with respect
to our decision to only allow family groups to sit in the Lower Loft Family Stand. It has been pleasing
to see that the BOX OFFICE has been able to accommodate so many adult supporters in different
areas of the ground, however I do appreciate some fans are finding the requirement to move more
difficult.
I would like to assure you this is not a decision we've taken lightly or indeed quickly. We are a family
Club and that's how we have positioned ourselves for many years, and even more so since the
takeover last summer.
We have had a few isolated incidentss in the family stand, mainly foul and abusive language, which
have highlighted the need for change in this area. Towards the end of last season we explored the
opportunity of moving the family stand to the lower school end, however it was decided the
proximity to away supporters might inhibit the family atmosphere needed for this section.
We have therefore made the extremely difficult decision to restrict the lower loft to family groups
containing junior supporters, who are the club's future for many years to come.
You have been coming to loftus road for many years and we appreciate how fond you are of sitting
in the Lower loft stand, so we hope the offer to upgrade your seat to a 'Gold' seating area for the
upcoming season will go some way to making the change easier. To talk through available seating
options, please call the Box Office team on 08444 777 007 (selecting option four for customer services).
I look forward to welcoming you to loftus road next season
Philip Beard
QPR CEO
Below, my email on finding out what the club planned to do.
An open response to Tony Fernandes, Amit Bhatia, and Phil Beard,
This is simply wrong ! No discussion, no warning, nothing, just like a
polictical party sneaking out the bad stuff under the cover of the good
news and hoping no one would notice. Like a dictatorship, even briatore
understood keeping the lower loft a mixed stand. You can not, and have no
right to just throw loyal supporters out of their seats like this,
Supporters like myself and many others around me who have stood and sat in
the same place for decades, through good and very many bad times. Tell me
how many families with under 8's will turn up at midweek games, winter
nights, and against foes like chelsea, west ham etc, and how many were
there against vauxhall motors ?? I'll tell you, very very few. The loft
has always been the vocal lung of the stadium, the home end. Your stupid
dicision announced today on twitter will kill the stadiums voice. The
lower loft is obviously the wrong place for a family stand, anyone would
have told you that, if you had bothered to ask. And where do you plan to
put all these displaced friends and families with no under 8's in their
groups ? Surely you must realise that the great displaced will want to sit
together in their previous groups, how will you accommodate this ? And
will those already in the relocated areas want the groups of the great
unwashed moved there ? Everyone I have spoken to this evening are
disgusted, and in shock at this very ill thought out idea. I'm sure there
will be 100's / 1000's complaining to you in the next few days as this
news creeps out. I strongly ask you to stop and reverse this action before
it is to late, you are simply hurting to many people, and creating a
nightmare.
I await your urgent response
Yours
QPR Loyal supporter since 1973
Mr **********
Read more: http://qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=307 | | | |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 13:44 - Jun 2 with 1867 views | kensalriser |
It's a bad policy and will be proven to be so.
One thing I'd like to know though, is what exactly defines a 'family' club? Does it mean that fans who don't come with family members or children are not welcome? |  |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 14:08 - Jun 2 with 1857 views | SomersetHoops |
QPR has alway been recognised as a family club without the need to try to sanitise areas of the ground that should be where our strongest support comes from.
What I would like to know is who's stupid idea this was and why they won't listen to the fans and reconsider. I would say it must be someone who doesn't yet understand the importance of home end support that every club in the country has and the result this attempted sanitising will have by severely reducing its impact at QPR. | |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:07 - Jun 2 with 1822 views | lowerloftgirl |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 14:08 - Jun 2 by SomersetHoops |
QPR has alway been recognised as a family club without the need to try to sanitise areas of the ground that should be where our strongest support comes from.
What I would like to know is who's stupid idea this was and why they won't listen to the fans and reconsider. I would say it must be someone who doesn't yet understand the importance of home end support that every club in the country has and the result this attempted sanitising will have by severely reducing its impact at QPR. |
Hi kenselriser and somersetHoops, Looks like once your over 8 you no longer have family entitlement. I know of a number of family groups and friends that this policy is going to seperate. I am angry, and very hurt by the way this whole thing has been conducted, I will not be made to feel by the club's rep's who have been here for just a few moments that I am in the wrong, so my 39 years count for jack ? ...... they have got this so wrong, a home end with no passion coming from it next season, and half empty seating, oh the opposition will be scared by the clown blowning up balloons into the shape of sausage dogs !! I grew from a very young age ( 5 ) watching this team from the loft, no balloons or clowns for me, to busy watching the greats of the 70's, I and many many others male and female did our apprenticeship with the adults around us, and we grew up just fine !! | | | |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 09:11 - Jun 3 with 1781 views | lowerloftgirl |
Even if the family stand was full of 8 year olds with their parents,
the stewards would still need to listen out for bad language.
Some of the worse language normally comes from those with kids, under 8 or over, kids today hear worse in the playground or in their peer groups ! Will the club throw those families out of the LL, if dad / mum give it some ? | | | |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 17:32 - Jun 3 with 1730 views | lowerloftgirl |
A great reply by qprmark over on qprreport to the following ......
Lower School End is too near the away fans for my liking, if anything kicks off it puts the family's first in the firing line!!
qprmark's reply -
It hasn't stopped the club putting the disabled supporters section at the bottom of X block, right next to the away fans in the corner of School lower so I hardly think it's a consideration of theirs.
This also has fu(k all to do with swearing.
From a marketing perspective the seats in the lower loft are deemed as being among the worst in the stadium and as such the club must charge the lowest amount that they charge for them. This means that the profit margin on those tickets is the smallest out of anywhere in the ground.
In the family section ticket prices are further reduced according to the age of the customer and even less profitable, so therefore putting the family section in the lower loft, the club minimises those losses.
The club's self-portrayal of it's-self as being 'family orientated' and doing this 'for the families' belies the fact that this section is open to the elements and is therefore the last place in the stadium I would want my child to sit.
If the club took the families' interests to heart before their own financial ones they would put the family section in R block and leave the loft to the hardcore vocal support, how it used to be back when no-one complained about bad language.
Moving the kids in with that section of supporters was a bad enough idea to begin with, to now not only persist with it even though it has had an obvious detrimental effect on the atmosphere in the ground but to now force long term loyal fans out of their seats into more expensive sections is plain scandalous on behalf of the club and makes their statements purporting to be a family club hollow.
Personally I believe that a packed, heaving loud Loft, like it was in the old days, would serve as a great advert for the club on MOTD and elsewhere visually, the noise would be so great the commentators would have to shout down their microphones to be heard above it all and therefore we would become a bigger and more attractive draw for the casual supporter than local neighbours whom frankly have a **** atmosphere and in one particularly sad case, pay people to wave flags around simply to try to look exciting.
The club should look to increase it's profits in those areas where the casual non-members will sit, capitalising on the atmosphere in the stadium that moving the family section away from the lower loft will inevitably create.
But most of all, the way the club is treating long term loyal fans is absolutely shocking and shows the actual gulf between the fans and the board still remains no matter who we're watching play for us on the pitch. | | | |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 17:40 - Jun 3 with 1720 views | Lblock |
Another conundrum on this scenario
If I move to the lower loft with my 7 year old son this season then what happens next season or the one after when he doesn't qualify or if he decides half way through next season that a lifetime of grief is not for him?
Do I then become one of the clubs nomadic fans?
I sympathos with lowerloftgirl as I know a group of 9 who have watched together from there through thin and thinner. Now they are being split up and dispersed around the ground. A couple of them have decided to jack it in as the last straw reached after costs etc
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 18:12 - Jun 3 with 1701 views | stowmarketrange |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 17:32 - Jun 3 by lowerloftgirl |
A great reply by qprmark over on qprreport to the following ......
Lower School End is too near the away fans for my liking, if anything kicks off it puts the family's first in the firing line!!
qprmark's reply -
It hasn't stopped the club putting the disabled supporters section at the bottom of X block, right next to the away fans in the corner of School lower so I hardly think it's a consideration of theirs.
This also has fu(k all to do with swearing.
From a marketing perspective the seats in the lower loft are deemed as being among the worst in the stadium and as such the club must charge the lowest amount that they charge for them. This means that the profit margin on those tickets is the smallest out of anywhere in the ground.
In the family section ticket prices are further reduced according to the age of the customer and even less profitable, so therefore putting the family section in the lower loft, the club minimises those losses.
The club's self-portrayal of it's-self as being 'family orientated' and doing this 'for the families' belies the fact that this section is open to the elements and is therefore the last place in the stadium I would want my child to sit.
If the club took the families' interests to heart before their own financial ones they would put the family section in R block and leave the loft to the hardcore vocal support, how it used to be back when no-one complained about bad language.
Moving the kids in with that section of supporters was a bad enough idea to begin with, to now not only persist with it even though it has had an obvious detrimental effect on the atmosphere in the ground but to now force long term loyal fans out of their seats into more expensive sections is plain scandalous on behalf of the club and makes their statements purporting to be a family club hollow.
Personally I believe that a packed, heaving loud Loft, like it was in the old days, would serve as a great advert for the club on MOTD and elsewhere visually, the noise would be so great the commentators would have to shout down their microphones to be heard above it all and therefore we would become a bigger and more attractive draw for the casual supporter than local neighbours whom frankly have a **** atmosphere and in one particularly sad case, pay people to wave flags around simply to try to look exciting.
The club should look to increase it's profits in those areas where the casual non-members will sit, capitalising on the atmosphere in the stadium that moving the family section away from the lower loft will inevitably create.
But most of all, the way the club is treating long term loyal fans is absolutely shocking and shows the actual gulf between the fans and the board still remains no matter who we're watching play for us on the pitch. |
I have sat or stood in the loft since 1971 and I think that the seats there are a lot more comfortable than some others stands I've sat in.
I too have thought about not bothering anymore even though we are not affected directly.It should be about the friends and family that you go with,and have done for years.I don't want to sit in a stand with zero atmosphere.
My daughter doesn't always pay the greatest attention to the game taking place,so who are we to talk to about what is happening during the game? |  | | |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 21:18 - Jun 3 with 1669 views | loftboy |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 17:40 - Jun 3 by Lblock |
Another conundrum on this scenario
If I move to the lower loft with my 7 year old son this season then what happens next season or the one after when he doesn't qualify or if he decides half way through next season that a lifetime of grief is not for him?
Do I then become one of the clubs nomadic fans?
I sympathos with lowerloftgirl as I know a group of 9 who have watched together from there through thin and thinner. Now they are being split up and dispersed around the ground. A couple of them have decided to jack it in as the last straw reached after costs etc
A very sad affair |
This is the misunderstanding, you need someone under 21 with you not under 8 |  |
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| Lower Loft Renewals... on 19:04 - Jun 4 with 1587 views | lowerloftgirl |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 18:12 - Jun 3 by stowmarketrange |
I have sat or stood in the loft since 1971 and I think that the seats there are a lot more comfortable than some others stands I've sat in.
I too have thought about not bothering anymore even though we are not affected directly.It should be about the friends and family that you go with,and have done for years.I don't want to sit in a stand with zero atmosphere.
My daughter doesn't always pay the greatest attention to the game taking place,so who are we to talk to about what is happening during the game? |
Hi, agree with you both stowmarketranger & Lblock ! | | | |
| Lower Loft Renewals... on 19:58 - Jun 5 with 1532 views | lowerloftgirl |
A post by rolybirkin on qprreport,
The management team at the club have got this one wrong. Simple as that, but now are facing the conundrum..... Do we lose face by changing our decision or do we force it through and lose hundreds of loyal QPR fans, but hey we may get a few children as long term fans.
Simply put, the leg room in the LL is greater than any other seating area. The party of 9 that LowerLoftGirl talks about must surely have some of the more rotund fans and similar to myself cannot sit comfortably in the UL r the Elles Rd stands.
The decision has to be overturned and now.
Win back the faith of the fans and you will be loved forever, but force this through and I cannot renew after 46 years of standing and sitting in the Loft. | | | |
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