| Banning Smoking outside pubs 14:12 - Aug 29 with 3954 views | Flashberryjack |
Keir Starmer has not ruled out the idea of smoking being banned in some outdoor spaces, including pub gardens and outside restaurants, as ministers consider fresh tobacco curbs that hospitality groups say could adversely affect the sector.
Good thing or another nail in the coffin of freedom of choice |  |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 10:01 - Aug 30 with 1065 views | mangohilljack |
Its pretty simple really!
'The harm principle' says people should be free to act however they wish unless their actions cause harm to somebody else.
An action which results in doing harm to another is not only wrong, but wrong enough that the state can intervene to prevent that harm from occurring.
This should also apply to the government and globalist elites |  | | |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 10:18 - Aug 30 with 1052 views | max936 |
I wish they'd ban Wasps the pesky bleeding things, sitting out in a beer garden yesterday afternoon being nagged by the bloody things totally spoiled the ambiance of a pleasant afternoon, we even had to go inside to have lunch, totally unacceptable.
Starmer out!!  |  |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 11:07 - Aug 30 with 991 views | Boundy |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 10:18 - Aug 30 by max936 |
I wish they'd ban Wasps the pesky bleeding things, sitting out in a beer garden yesterday afternoon being nagged by the bloody things totally spoiled the ambiance of a pleasant afternoon, we even had to go inside to have lunch, totally unacceptable.
Starmer out!! |
We need wasps much more than Starmer | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 12:09 - Aug 30 with 962 views | max936 |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 11:07 - Aug 30 by Boundy |
We need wasps much more than Starmer |
Cheeky........ | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 12:24 - Aug 30 with 956 views | RhonddaSwans |
In Scotland drug addicts have safe injecting rooms.
But we wont be allowed a fag and a cider on a warm summers day.
This is all state control.
The last Labour government ever 🤞 | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 13:00 - Aug 30 with 945 views | pencoedjack |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 19:58 - Aug 29 by onehunglow |
Personal choice
Yep,when I’m eating outside ,I don’t want to be breathing noxious fag fumes
Personal choice is a wide subject
That’s for your contribution . |
I don't want to be stuck behind a group of middle-aged men in Lyrca riding on a road when there is a cycle path next to it.
Why don't we just make everything everyone enjoys so expensive we can no longer have any enjoyment in this country?
We are a nanny state. |  | | |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 13:06 - Aug 30 with 944 views | pencoedjack |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 22:16 - Aug 29 by majorraglan |
Fair points, but in terms of the smoking why not have parts of the out door area sectioned off for smokers should the land lord wish it.
Wales has already banned people from smoking on hospital grounds, but I’ve never seen in enforced and tbh I don’t know who would enforce it. During recent visits to my local hospital I’ve often seen patients in gowns standing outside having a cigarette but I’ve never seen anyone enforce it. |
Nothing worse than a pregnant woman outside a hospital smoking, I complain every time I go to Bridgend Hospital & the receptionist says there is no one to enforce it.
I came to blows with a bloke smoking outside the doors of the POW when I came out from visiting Mrs PJ (a non-smoker) who was having cancer treatment.
That said I do not believe it should be banned (& it has nothing to do with who is in government). | | | |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 13:51 - Aug 30 with 929 views | onehunglow |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 13:00 - Aug 30 by pencoedjack |
I don't want to be stuck behind a group of middle-aged men in Lyrca riding on a road when there is a cycle path next to it.
Why don't we just make everything everyone enjoys so expensive we can no longer have any enjoyment in this country?
We are a nanny state. |
Lycra is protective
I believe helmets should be made compulsory and be insured
I’d love to see cretins on cycles off the roads
Still, they don’t kill like cars | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 14:47 - Aug 30 with 912 views | union_jack |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 12:24 - Aug 30 by RhonddaSwans |
In Scotland drug addicts have safe injecting rooms.
But we wont be allowed a fag and a cider on a warm summers day.
This is all state control.
The last Labour government ever 🤞 |
Who said anything about banning cider??
Things that adversely affect others should be regulated and that includes noxious second hand smoke in an internal or external environment.
Likening banning smoking to banning cyclists in Lycra dies not firm the basis of a persuasive argument. At best they had seconds to your journey and don’t in any way physically harm you. Second hand smoke is a proven killer. But even if it was harmless why should non-smokers have to choke on the fumes? |  |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 15:09 - Aug 30 with 895 views | KeithHaynes |
Control ! |  |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 15:16 - Aug 30 with 884 views | raynor94 |
Breathing in the clouds of smoke from those disgusting vapes is far worse.
Vaping is now a far bigger problem than smoking |  |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 15:28 - Aug 30 with 872 views | union_jack |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 15:16 - Aug 30 by raynor94 |
Breathing in the clouds of smoke from those disgusting vapes is far worse.
Vaping is now a far bigger problem than smoking |
It’s not as damaging as second hand smoke I don’t think but it’s far more annoying I agree.
Vapes should not be sold in colours or styles but just plain and boring. They’ve become a fashion accessory I believe. | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 15:43 - Aug 30 with 866 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 15:45 - Aug 29 by Boundy |
Personally I'd ban the use of gyms ,with over 41% of users injured each year just think of the savings to the NHS that would be . |
I'd ban work, there have been thousands of says lost to sickness in my company in just ne year. It seems particularly bad for mental health....just look at me  | | | |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 17:03 - Aug 30 with 828 views | onehunglow |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 14:47 - Aug 30 by union_jack |
Who said anything about banning cider??
Things that adversely affect others should be regulated and that includes noxious second hand smoke in an internal or external environment.
Likening banning smoking to banning cyclists in Lycra dies not firm the basis of a persuasive argument. At best they had seconds to your journey and don’t in any way physically harm you. Second hand smoke is a proven killer. But even if it was harmless why should non-smokers have to choke on the fumes? |
They should ban cyclists who don’t wear Lycra or those who wear underpants underneath
Cycling is safe unless the doctor is around | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 00:26 - Aug 31 with 749 views | Robbie |
Very many will disagree with me , but no alcohol on match day in the stands is positive .
So many recent reports of back to the bar then toilet visits later spoil the experince for so many seated fans . WRU are trying to appease the drinkers at 6 Nations games with small token gestures , the bigger picture is always bar takings and profits above all else .
Football can sometimes get things right with good rulings , this is one of their rarities .
Match of the Day pundits spend so much time waffling about VAR decisions . All fillers for a boring game they have coming up next . | | | |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 10:03 - Aug 31 with 689 views | onehunglow |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 00:26 - Aug 31 by Robbie |
Very many will disagree with me , but no alcohol on match day in the stands is positive .
So many recent reports of back to the bar then toilet visits later spoil the experince for so many seated fans . WRU are trying to appease the drinkers at 6 Nations games with small token gestures , the bigger picture is always bar takings and profits above all else .
Football can sometimes get things right with good rulings , this is one of their rarities .
Match of the Day pundits spend so much time waffling about VAR decisions . All fillers for a boring game they have coming up next . |
Nobody should need alcohol at games
We have a drinking culture
It is omnipotent
We need change | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 12:12 - Aug 31 with 636 views | controversial_jack |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 10:03 - Aug 31 by onehunglow |
Nobody should need alcohol at games
We have a drinking culture
It is omnipotent
We need change |
I've been to Bundesliga matches where supporters are drinking in the streets , in the concourse and in the stands. You are just a killjoy. I won't pay the high prices for the slop they serve, but others enjoy a pint, so get off your high horse and chill out. | | | |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 14:13 - Aug 31 with 573 views | onehunglow |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 12:12 - Aug 31 by controversial_jack |
I've been to Bundesliga matches where supporters are drinking in the streets , in the concourse and in the stands. You are just a killjoy. I won't pay the high prices for the slop they serve, but others enjoy a pint, so get off your high horse and chill out. |
Worlocks
You are a Russian supporting acolyte
I take no lectures from the likes of you
Germans can handle their drink . British can’t. Like Russians really
As for smoking,pleasure you say. Yeah, lung cancer is a real blast ,even for those affected by passive smoking.. check out Roy Castles widow | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 14:18 - Aug 31 with 563 views | Luther27 |
Can’t wait to see them uphold that in London or Birmingham where sheesha bars are on a par with beer gardens. | | | |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 19:46 - Aug 31 with 502 views | howenjack |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 14:18 - Aug 31 by Luther27 |
Can’t wait to see them uphold that in London or Birmingham where sheesha bars are on a par with beer gardens. |
And that will mean if shisha bars are allowed to flourish it will only be a matter of time before a discrimination action will be pursued . It will be argued that shishas are predominantly , nay probably all used by and cater for a certain demographic.
The argument will be that pub smokers are denied the same smoking rights in their locak hostelries.Another ill thought out knee jerk piece of labour legislation. | | | |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 20:25 - Aug 31 with 488 views | Wingstandwood |
I have read a few opinions that think that its about two things, 'Number One' is to send out a message to the British public that the Labour Party now has full power of control to do what it wants, and when it wants.
And 'Number Two' is that modern day Labour and Labour types despise the working class i.e. the very salt of the earth types who have no time for WOKE cr@p, that voted Brexit, display and wave Union Jacks, drape Saint George flags over their backs and protest against mass uncontrolled immigration and illegal small boat arrivals. Now called "far right" and branded as knuckle-draggers and thick by Labour types, some of type that used to post on here.
And the British pub is about as working class as you can get as opposed to for example (pronounced "Hice Spottie"s) wine drinking house parties in Metropolitan elite clownworld and other places where patriotic singing of "Eng-Ger-Land" would be met with disgust!!!! |  |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 20:30 - Aug 31 with 479 views | onehunglow |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 20:25 - Aug 31 by Wingstandwood |
I have read a few opinions that think that its about two things, 'Number One' is to send out a message to the British public that the Labour Party now has full power of control to do what it wants, and when it wants.
And 'Number Two' is that modern day Labour and Labour types despise the working class i.e. the very salt of the earth types who have no time for WOKE cr@p, that voted Brexit, display and wave Union Jacks, drape Saint George flags over their backs and protest against mass uncontrolled immigration and illegal small boat arrivals. Now called "far right" and branded as knuckle-draggers and thick by Labour types, some of type that used to post on here.
And the British pub is about as working class as you can get as opposed to for example (pronounced "Hice Spottie"s) wine drinking house parties in Metropolitan elite clownworld and other places where patriotic singing of "Eng-Ger-Land" would be met with disgust!!!! |
I've not seen much comeback from labour fans
Return fire
I absolutely agree with these bans
Now follow it up by attacking the tobacco and drinks industries
Drink and fags were seen as pleasures for the working classes
In the wars , it was encouraged to smoke
The cost has been beyond comprehension
This is a vile , killing addition that should have been eradicated decades ago | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 21:24 - Aug 31 with 448 views | Dr_Winston |
These are people who think that they must control your lives for the public good.
I'm not talking hate filled, prohibitionist morons like we've seen in this thread, but general, well meaning but ultimately dictatorial specimens who must be fought and defeated before we're all living our lives according to the opinions of others. I've quoted this before, but the more and more things go on, the more and more accurate it is:
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth.
Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level with those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. But to be punished, however severely, because we have deserved it, because we “ought to have known better”, is to be treated as a human person made in God’s image.
In reality, however, we must face the possibility of bad rulers armed with a Humanitarian theory of punishment. … And when they are wicked· the Humanitarian theory of punishment will put in their hands a finer instrument of tyranny than wickedness ever had before. For if crime and disease are to be regarded as the same thing, it follows that any state of mind which our masters choose to call “disease” can be treated as crime; and compulsorily cured. It will be vain to plead that states of mind which displease government need not always involve moral turpitude and do not therefore always deserve forfeiture of liberty. ..."
60 years ago and C. S. Lewis saw it coming. [Post edited 31 Aug 21:26]
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 21:30 - Aug 31 with 448 views | Wingstandwood |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 20:30 - Aug 31 by onehunglow |
I've not seen much comeback from labour fans
Return fire
I absolutely agree with these bans
Now follow it up by attacking the tobacco and drinks industries
Drink and fags were seen as pleasures for the working classes
In the wars , it was encouraged to smoke
The cost has been beyond comprehension
This is a vile , killing addition that should have been eradicated decades ago |
I agree with the indoor ban regarding passive smoking, the likes of Proffesor Karol Sikora however thinks the outdoor ban is lunacy.
QUOTE: "The line of 'protecting' the NHS just doesn't wash. You're in a pub garden. If someone is having a cigarette a few tables away, you are not in any danger. At all."
END OF QUOTE
I guess this law may end up with people giving a trip down to the pub a miss, and end up with them smoking and (cheaper supermarket booze) drinking even more at home, whilst affecting pub trade and profits that'll end up with more pub closures. Hence why many are saying that Labour are doing so just to punish the working class. | |
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| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 21:39 - Aug 31 with 441 views | Wingstandwood |
| Banning Smoking outside pubs on 21:24 - Aug 31 by Dr_Winston |
These are people who think that they must control your lives for the public good.
I'm not talking hate filled, prohibitionist morons like we've seen in this thread, but general, well meaning but ultimately dictatorial specimens who must be fought and defeated before we're all living our lives according to the opinions of others. I've quoted this before, but the more and more things go on, the more and more accurate it is:
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth.
Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level with those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. But to be punished, however severely, because we have deserved it, because we “ought to have known better”, is to be treated as a human person made in God’s image.
In reality, however, we must face the possibility of bad rulers armed with a Humanitarian theory of punishment. … And when they are wicked· the Humanitarian theory of punishment will put in their hands a finer instrument of tyranny than wickedness ever had before. For if crime and disease are to be regarded as the same thing, it follows that any state of mind which our masters choose to call “disease” can be treated as crime; and compulsorily cured. It will be vain to plead that states of mind which displease government need not always involve moral turpitude and do not therefore always deserve forfeiture of liberty. ..."
60 years ago and C. S. Lewis saw it coming. [Post edited 31 Aug 21:26]
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He does rather appear to be a visionary years ahead of his time with that one, along with with George Orwell. | |
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