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According the fans FB group, rumours that Ty is speaking to the Biffos. Silly season is truly upon us!
Comments like:
"Yes, they're in talks currently. The club have accepted a fee but it's down to personal terms now. Highly likely the deal will go through by the end of the week/start of next week"
"apparently the board have said something and it’s got out everywhere"
I can only feel that if this happens, the board will lose even more support from a large part of supporters... Interesting times ahead
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 23:53 - Jan 3 with 3132 views
The accounts, approved by shareholders, at the AGM suggest that in the 13 months to 2022 the losses were reduced from £1,218,559 in the 12 months period to May 2021 to losses of £467,356.
So improving by £0.75m mean the club went from losing £23k a week to £8k a week by June 2022.
It looks like somethings might not just have been suggested but actually implemented but then again losing £8k a week still needs to be funded.
I was talking about the cost cutting ideas you’ve suggested in this thread, not whichever took place in the period you’ve suggested. I’d have thought that was fairly obvious.
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 23:57 - Jan 3 with 3102 views
It's no surprise that you've decided to include this rather disrespectful paragraph when you know full well who is regularly commenting on here: You could have addressed me directly, instead of going about it in such a roundabout way.
"We pay to produce content for Tik Tok and a full colour programme for our games - all positive for the publicity but when money is tight all nice to haves and non-essentials. With the challenge the club is facing, those making the shift to digital are recognising the need to adapt to a new tech-savvy audience which drives bigger advertising revenue for the club. Clubs need to think smart and recognise the opportunities digital holds, from wider reach to fewer costs. Why not produce a downloadable PDF accessible to all and save the printing costs?"
Have you got someone in mind who will design it, provide content and resources, spend time checking it and somehow make it up to the standard that will sell? (As there will still be costs to be covered)
Because I can tell you who it won't be.
As I say to Year 9 regularly TVOS, you must always read the question which was asked and was why not produce a downloadable PDF accessible to all and save the printing costs?
I don't believe my question has any reference to the production process. You appear to be incorrectly inferring that.
If our programme it is produced in a downloadable PDF it is factual that it will a more modern, cost effective and avoids the printing costs. Look at how the Times and other former printed mediums are now consumed.
There are many clubs that have either moved their programme to a digital format or abandoned it completely, presumably all saving printing costs. Some of those clubs are much bigger than Rochdale.
Not including the production process, how much does it cost to print each copy and would it benefit the club to go to a digital method to reach more people with no physical printing and waste which is more environmentally friendly and sustainable?
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George Bernard Shaw had it right:
"He who can does; he who cannot, teaches."
https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
The accounts, approved by shareholders, at the AGM suggest that in the 13 months to 2022 the losses were reduced from £1,218,559 in the 12 months period to May 2021 to losses of £467,356.
So improving by £0.75m mean the club went from losing £23k a week to £8k a week by June 2022.
It looks like somethings might not just have been suggested but actually implemented but then again losing £8k a week still needs to be funded.
So in the post where you highlighted that we were losing on average c. £25k a week, you were talking about the past?
Quotes:
"Let's say my estimate needs a range so I'll guess between £50,000 to £150,000 a month depending on factors like the number of home games."
"So £100,000 to £300,000 needed to survive January and February, assuming no other funding source."
"There's no income forecastable past 20th April (last game) until late July 2024, three months there - so another £150,000 and £450,000 for those three months."
As I say to Year 9 regularly TVOS, you must always read the question which was asked and was why not produce a downloadable PDF accessible to all and save the printing costs?
I don't believe my question has any reference to the production process. You appear to be incorrectly inferring that.
If our programme it is produced in a downloadable PDF it is factual that it will a more modern, cost effective and avoids the printing costs. Look at how the Times and other former printed mediums are now consumed.
There are many clubs that have either moved their programme to a digital format or abandoned it completely, presumably all saving printing costs. Some of those clubs are much bigger than Rochdale.
Not including the production process, how much does it cost to print each copy and would it benefit the club to go to a digital method to reach more people with no physical printing and waste which is more environmentally friendly and sustainable?
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Thanks, but I did read the question and understood it perfectly. No amount of patronising guff in reply changes that.
Anyway, I know more than enough about digital programmes, thank you, I don't need any links. It's not only you who keeps abreast of things that interest them, you know.
Your post was very relevant to the production process, because someone still needs to compile the programme before it becomes a digital pdf. This involves costs, as I previously mentioned.
So, my question again; who's going to do it to a standard that justifies its end, because I know who it won't be.
You would have to speak to someone at the club about the costs of printing as they deal with all that side of things. Maybe do it on Saturday when you come to help Jimmy McNulty enhance his squad.
If that's a route the club wish to explore, then fair enough and good luck to them, but I won't be involved in it, which they already know.
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When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 00:15 - Jan 4 with 3011 views
As I say to Year 9 regularly TVOS, you must always read the question which was asked and was why not produce a downloadable PDF accessible to all and save the printing costs?
I don't believe my question has any reference to the production process. You appear to be incorrectly inferring that.
If our programme it is produced in a downloadable PDF it is factual that it will a more modern, cost effective and avoids the printing costs. Look at how the Times and other former printed mediums are now consumed.
There are many clubs that have either moved their programme to a digital format or abandoned it completely, presumably all saving printing costs. Some of those clubs are much bigger than Rochdale.
Not including the production process, how much does it cost to print each copy and would it benefit the club to go to a digital method to reach more people with no physical printing and waste which is more environmentally friendly and sustainable?
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Another daft idea which will further dumb down the matchday experience. Actually purchasing and reading a programme, referring to the team line up during the game, is part of what football fans do. Many supporters still collect programmes. I don't believe TVOS runs at a loss and over the years has generated a considerable amount of money for the club. The editor and contributors deserve massive credit for that and the multiple award winning programme has been a sense of pride for a long time and still is. A programme in a digital format isn't something I would pay to read and i dont think many others would., i want a hard copy that I can look at and feel. Some people know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 00:21 - Jan 4 with 2987 views
So in the post where you highlighted that we were losing on average c. £25k a week, you were talking about the past?
Quotes:
"Let's say my estimate needs a range so I'll guess between £50,000 to £150,000 a month depending on factors like the number of home games."
"So £100,000 to £300,000 needed to survive January and February, assuming no other funding source."
"There's no income forecastable past 20th April (last game) until late July 2024, three months there - so another £150,000 and £450,000 for those three months."
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Yes DA - kel's question was about what happened 12-18 months ago so the past.
My estimated range of cash to find after games finish in April will include the money to renovate the pitch for 2024/25. The figure in the 2021 accounts on the plant and machinery which includes the pitch is £632,673.
I'm assuming we spend £100,000 resurfacing the pitch. That would need paying for.
If the club didn't do those works this Summer then my upper range of cash need will be lower.
George Bernard Shaw had it right:
"He who can does; he who cannot, teaches."
https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
Sinclair to Biffos? on 00:15 - Jan 4 by TalkingSutty
Another daft idea which will further dumb down the matchday experience. Actually purchasing and reading a programme, referring to the team line up during the game, is part of what football fans do. Many supporters still collect programmes. I don't believe TVOS runs at a loss and over the years has generated a considerable amount of money for the club. The editor and contributors deserve massive credit for that and the multiple award winning programme has been a sense of pride for a long time and still is. A programme in a digital format isn't something I would pay to read and i dont think many others would., i want a hard copy that I can look at and feel. Some people know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.
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Thanks TS.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 00:24 - Jan 4 with 2962 views
Yes DA - kel's question was about what happened 12-18 months ago so the past.
My estimated range of cash to find after games finish in April will include the money to renovate the pitch for 2024/25. The figure in the 2021 accounts on the plant and machinery which includes the pitch is £632,673.
I'm assuming we spend £100,000 resurfacing the pitch. That would need paying for.
If the club didn't do those works this Summer then my upper range of cash need will be lower.
Everyone who uses this forum - apart from you, apparently - understands how the "reply" function works
We don't need reminding who you're replying to
Year 9 could tell you that
As for your actual reply, it bears no relationship to my question. The quote (from your post) makes it perfectly clear the timeline was going forward, hence your reference to July 2024
Yes DA - kel's question was about what happened 12-18 months ago so the past.
My estimated range of cash to find after games finish in April will include the money to renovate the pitch for 2024/25. The figure in the 2021 accounts on the plant and machinery which includes the pitch is £632,673.
I'm assuming we spend £100,000 resurfacing the pitch. That would need paying for.
If the club didn't do those works this Summer then my upper range of cash need will be lower.
No, it wasn’t.
I asked why your suggestions IN THIS THREAD weren’t SUGGESTED 12-18 months ago. Read it again.
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 00:35 - Jan 4 with 2916 views
I dont think programme printing will be the straw that breaks the camels back. If it washes its face and people are prepared to do the required work ,fair enough. Printing is probably the easiest part of the process once all the pages have been created. Thats not to say there might not be cheaper printers, but even if there is there should be good reasons to stick with the usual company assuming they are not hugely more expensive. I used to publish my magazines on issuu.com mainly so that I could refer potential advertisers to them rather than pay for posting copies, but they did also attract a few views from random people. I guess some back issues of the programme could be put on there to see what sort of following they attract. Ultimately if we are cutting costs, there are much bigger fish to fry and there will be costs at every level that need addressing urgently. Unfortunately this always starts with staffing costs. But, I dont understand how £88,000 got spent on postage and stationery in 21/22( from the last accounts). Thats an awful lot of letters.....?
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 06:11 - Jan 4 with 2764 views
Sinclair to Biffos? on 01:10 - Jan 4 by 49thseason
I dont think programme printing will be the straw that breaks the camels back. If it washes its face and people are prepared to do the required work ,fair enough. Printing is probably the easiest part of the process once all the pages have been created. Thats not to say there might not be cheaper printers, but even if there is there should be good reasons to stick with the usual company assuming they are not hugely more expensive. I used to publish my magazines on issuu.com mainly so that I could refer potential advertisers to them rather than pay for posting copies, but they did also attract a few views from random people. I guess some back issues of the programme could be put on there to see what sort of following they attract. Ultimately if we are cutting costs, there are much bigger fish to fry and there will be costs at every level that need addressing urgently. Unfortunately this always starts with staffing costs. But, I dont understand how £88,000 got spent on postage and stationery in 21/22( from the last accounts). Thats an awful lot of letters.....?
It would be if it actually got spent on "letters"........maybe it got spent on pens to write out pay offs for hiring various shite managers?
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 06:17 - Jan 4 with 2766 views
Sinclair to Biffos? on 01:10 - Jan 4 by 49thseason
I dont think programme printing will be the straw that breaks the camels back. If it washes its face and people are prepared to do the required work ,fair enough. Printing is probably the easiest part of the process once all the pages have been created. Thats not to say there might not be cheaper printers, but even if there is there should be good reasons to stick with the usual company assuming they are not hugely more expensive. I used to publish my magazines on issuu.com mainly so that I could refer potential advertisers to them rather than pay for posting copies, but they did also attract a few views from random people. I guess some back issues of the programme could be put on there to see what sort of following they attract. Ultimately if we are cutting costs, there are much bigger fish to fry and there will be costs at every level that need addressing urgently. Unfortunately this always starts with staffing costs. But, I dont understand how £88,000 got spent on postage and stationery in 21/22( from the last accounts). Thats an awful lot of letters.....?
I too gaped at the £88,000 (around £40 per season card holder) for postage and stationery in the 2021/22 accounts, up from £59,000 the previous season which I also thought was high.
I presumed that as this was the year of the share issue to fans that the increase, or at least part of it, was down to the printing and postage of the “nice quality” share certificates which were sent by post in large, reinforced certificate envelopes.
I do not understand why these share certificates were / are not issued as PDFs and attached to an email to save money.
In fact, I think that as far as possible the club should use only electronic communication with existing fans and shareholders.
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 07:16 - Jan 4 with 2721 views
I too gaped at the £88,000 (around £40 per season card holder) for postage and stationery in the 2021/22 accounts, up from £59,000 the previous season which I also thought was high.
I presumed that as this was the year of the share issue to fans that the increase, or at least part of it, was down to the printing and postage of the “nice quality” share certificates which were sent by post in large, reinforced certificate envelopes.
I do not understand why these share certificates were / are not issued as PDFs and attached to an email to save money.
In fact, I think that as far as possible the club should use only electronic communication with existing fans and shareholders.
The incompetence of the club in maintaining a database of existing shareholders, with repeated random failures to send out email notifications might suggest otherwise
I agree the pdf format should be the way forward for issuance of share certificates but have absolutely zero confidence in the club to enable this
A concerted effort to update records - and more importantly, means of record-keeping - should've been made when this problem became apparent at the EGM earlier last year. If it were simply a matter of shareholders not informing the club if they've changed their email address that might explain a small percentage of cases, but as we saw with the recent AGM, shareholders who'd previously received emails and hadn't changed their address failed to receive notification. It was left to a member of the Trust board to try to alleviate this sheer incompetence by forwarding the AGM notice to those not in receipt who'd made it known on this forum, but that can only be the tip of the iceberg... probably the same one that's dropping chunks of ice on the decks of the good ship Dale as she sinks lower in the water
Sinclair to Biffos? on 01:10 - Jan 4 by 49thseason
I dont think programme printing will be the straw that breaks the camels back. If it washes its face and people are prepared to do the required work ,fair enough. Printing is probably the easiest part of the process once all the pages have been created. Thats not to say there might not be cheaper printers, but even if there is there should be good reasons to stick with the usual company assuming they are not hugely more expensive. I used to publish my magazines on issuu.com mainly so that I could refer potential advertisers to them rather than pay for posting copies, but they did also attract a few views from random people. I guess some back issues of the programme could be put on there to see what sort of following they attract. Ultimately if we are cutting costs, there are much bigger fish to fry and there will be costs at every level that need addressing urgently. Unfortunately this always starts with staffing costs. But, I dont understand how £88,000 got spent on postage and stationery in 21/22( from the last accounts). Thats an awful lot of letters.....?
‘People’?
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 13:19 - Jan 4 with 2205 views
Sinclair to Biffos? on 16:44 - Jan 3 by NorthernDale
Yes, I fully recognise our financial position, but at the same time, to keep our fan base and attract new fans you have to give them hope, otherwise we back to the 1,000 plus gates we had in the early 1980's.
You could help by buying some of the 50,000 shares for sale. Every Little Helps
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 14:58 - Jan 4 with 2001 views
I too gaped at the £88,000 (around £40 per season card holder) for postage and stationery in the 2021/22 accounts, up from £59,000 the previous season which I also thought was high.
I presumed that as this was the year of the share issue to fans that the increase, or at least part of it, was down to the printing and postage of the “nice quality” share certificates which were sent by post in large, reinforced certificate envelopes.
I do not understand why these share certificates were / are not issued as PDFs and attached to an email to save money.
In fact, I think that as far as possible the club should use only electronic communication with existing fans and shareholders.
1000 A4 leaflets printed on 350 gsm card, £112 delivery Monday 9th.... I still can't see £88K on stationery and post.
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 15:20 - Jan 4 with 1914 views
I already own some shares and if possible, I will seek to invest in another 100 shares this month, if I have a good month financially, I will invest in more shares.
Is there a cut off date in buying shares?
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Sinclair to Biffos? on 19:21 - Jan 4 with 1547 views
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