| Well... 22:15 - Dec 29 with 9923 views | Northernr |
As we've had a deluge of threads smashing the place up after recent games can we have one that says...
- good result. We all would have taken that.
- Disgraceful penalty decision, brought about by them screaming blue murder for everything and Cantwell hitting the deck more than any player I've seen since Jack Wilshere was cognicent
- Would, should, have won but for a late sitter
- absolutely not a team that has downed tools and isn't playing for the manager. Dickie and Dieng excellent. Barbet actually quite good defensively second half. |  | | |  |
| Well... on 23:25 - Dec 29 with 2209 views | gigiisourgod |
| Well... on 23:16 - Dec 29 by ted_hendrix |
Well,
We'll no more Saturday afternoon at about 5.00pm, hopefully by then we can rejoice in the fact that at long last we've now learnt' how to take decent and threatening corners, how to throw the ball and keep possession of said ball when we win a throw in, how to make say three consistent passes to our own players, how to take free kicks that absolutely scare the shit out of the oppositions defenders instead of scaring the shit out of pigeons roosting peacefully in the roof rafters of Kenilworth Road, and our Captain and say a few of our players have learnt the art of SHOUTING or TALKING during the game and we've mastered the art of putting in a pretty decent effort for the full 94 minutes, this includes not conceding 5 minutes before half time or 5 minutes after half time and not conceding any time after 85 minutes have been played.
Excellent and not expected result tonight that we so nearly stole the win too.
Get on the training pitch and get to work. |
Excellent point, he seems to have tightened the defence up a little in recent weeks which is encouraging and a great relief. Massive game Saturday, this squad and manager need time together, just hope we are able to give him that. |  | | |
| Well... on 23:27 - Dec 29 with 2202 views | daveB |
| Well... on 22:26 - Dec 29 by Faurlinho |
I’m inclining towards the view that we’d do better to spend on a loan striker, midfielder and maybe a left back than blow a load of money on a managerial change.. |
Whether we change manager or not we are going to need those players either way. The decsion they have to make is do they thinK Warburton is the man to bring in those players and get best out of them or should someone else.
Tonight felt like a big step in the right direction but need to follow it up with a win at the weekend |  | | |
| Well... on 23:32 - Dec 29 with 2164 views | BostonR |
Good result. As they say in football, referee decisions level out and I thought the ref today did exactly that. The whole squad, including the management must be short on confidence so that result should help restore some of that.
I must admit, I was getting tired of listening to Warburton’s excuses, but I definitely have sympathy for him tonight with the BOS miss, which was criminal.
The team is in dire need of some experienced hands. A bastard right back, centre-back, centre midfielder and a forward would help enormously.
Have to eat humble pie as Tom Carroll has grown on me. With Dykes, he just needs to bag a couple because I think there is a player in there. On the downside, Kane has to be shown the door (seen better fullbacks in the Spartan Premier League) and Ball is struggling at this level at the moment.
Massive few weeks for the club and Warburton. |  | | |
| Well... on 00:05 - Dec 30 with 2041 views | davman |
| Well... on 23:32 - Dec 29 by BostonR |
Good result. As they say in football, referee decisions level out and I thought the ref today did exactly that. The whole squad, including the management must be short on confidence so that result should help restore some of that.
I must admit, I was getting tired of listening to Warburton’s excuses, but I definitely have sympathy for him tonight with the BOS miss, which was criminal.
The team is in dire need of some experienced hands. A bastard right back, centre-back, centre midfielder and a forward would help enormously.
Have to eat humble pie as Tom Carroll has grown on me. With Dykes, he just needs to bag a couple because I think there is a player in there. On the downside, Kane has to be shown the door (seen better fullbacks in the Spartan Premier League) and Ball is struggling at this level at the moment.
Massive few weeks for the club and Warburton. |
A right back, eh? Rangel fit yet? 
Not sure we need a centre back, but definetly a midfielder, but one from the school of hard knocks rather than another Prem academy kid and yes to a striker as we do not have one on our books yet... |  |
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| Well... on 00:23 - Dec 30 with 1989 views | T_Block |
| Well... on 00:05 - Dec 30 by davman |
A right back, eh? Rangel fit yet?
Not sure we need a centre back, but definetly a midfielder, but one from the school of hard knocks rather than another Prem academy kid and yes to a striker as we do not have one on our books yet... |
Young players are so inconsistent that is the problem.Season before last I thought Eze had blown it and had stopped developing.IShows how wrong you can be in judging a young side . I believe this team can still improve and surprise us
My instinct is the players are with Warburton and are growing.
Dykes -there is a good forward in there.Wins header suggesting he should play in a pair .Has a good all-round game to bring others in to play.BOS and Chair -obvious quality easily good enough for championship.Dickie getting better got to learn positioning not to be exposed by pace.Barbet played well for 8-10 games.Dieng ok so far -i think the team and fans feel confidence in him.
We need loans.I think we should buy cheap sell high so that is only done in close season.A few loans are needed.Warburton needs to tweak the system to get best out of Dykes.
Is this the time to play BOS in a centre-forward role off the shoulder of the last defender...? I think we have several at right-wing eg an Albert/Wellock combination.
Left and right-backs need to improve/face competition.Midfield lacking a player who ,in a turn can lose a player and run at goal (basically Eze).Need someone better than Bonne.Albert does not look fit and needs to be sharper | | | |
| Well... on 00:29 - Dec 30 with 1973 views | GaryT |
Didn't see the game or the Swansea one either but I read several pages of the match thread on the Swansea site and they were not happy. We had far more possession and but for a more clinical finish, should have been ahead at the break. Some of them even said at the end that we must be gutted as they didn't deserve to win that so I was a little surprised to read all the "we're doomed!" posts on here. I'm sick to the back teeth of changing manager every year so I would like us to stick with MW and hope he got a plan B in his stocking for Christmas. I can't talk about where we need to strengthen but I hope todays result gives us the confidence to start to turn things around, starting with a 0-1 smash and grab at Lootown. |  | | |
| Well... on 00:35 - Dec 30 with 1954 views | ManinBlack |
| Well... on 23:18 - Dec 29 by paulparker |
More than happy
But we need to build on that and beat Luton, a draw or a loss and we are back in the Sh1t |
Luton won't be easy. They beat Norwich 3-1 at home and are having no issues scoring.
I hope we can win following on from tonight but I am guarded as we all saw how West Brom played OK to draw at Anfield only to be four down at home in the next game to Leeds. One good performance doesn't mean an upturn in results will necessarily follow.
Too many false dawns have blighted my belief in us... |  | | |
| Well... on 07:28 - Dec 30 with 1772 views | distortR |
it was 'backs against the wall' stuff for our centre backs, which suited them to an extent. It's when they are turned that I shit myself - and that's not taking away from their collective performance. | | | |
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| Well... on 08:44 - Dec 30 with 1682 views | davman |
| Well... on 07:28 - Dec 30 by distortR |
it was 'backs against the wall' stuff for our centre backs, which suited them to an extent. It's when they are turned that I shit myself - and that's not taking away from their collective performance. |
This. Shame they can't combine that with ball retention.
Anyone else notice the removal of short goal kicks? I think every one went long...
Is this to do with a stark realisation that we have to lump it as it will never get up top if we try to play through the thirds with this lot? | |
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| Well... on 08:46 - Dec 30 with 1675 views | R_from_afar |
| Well... on 23:24 - Dec 29 by TopCat34 |
It's a good point but already feels like a season where beating the ones around us means more,
Point at Luton is now a good result for us, but we need to beat 2 of Wycombe, Cardiff and Derby |
Spot on. An excellent result but we do need to take points off teams around us, plus we have to pick up some wins, somehow. We won't draw our way to safety.
One win, hopefully very soon, could give us a massive injection of confidence which then leads to further victories.
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| Well... on 09:21 - Dec 30 with 1568 views | Philothesuperhoop |
Agreed Clive, I would have definitely taken a draw before we started!
The players certainly played for the manager. In fact it looked and felt like a siege mentality.
Lots of positives from the players - keeper, Dickie and centre halves generally. LTC was excellent, so was Chair until he ran out of gas. Plus BOS clearly put in a shift.
However there were also some real worries. What have we done to Dyke. He had a shocking first touch last night, even when he was in the right place, which wasn’t often. I hate to say it - but he offers very very little playing up top for us.
But the biggest issue with this formation (which shows some promise) is the full backs. The system relies on them getting forward and then being able to deliver some decent balls. Neither can do that ....but Kane especially. He was truly awful going forward. He had an ok game in defence but every single time he had the ball he gave it away. Truly shocking. He can’t play there again surely. Who else do we have?! |  | | |
| Well... on 09:40 - Dec 30 with 1476 views | ozexile |
| Well... on 08:44 - Dec 30 by davman |
This. Shame they can't combine that with ball retention.
Anyone else notice the removal of short goal kicks? I think every one went long...
Is this to do with a stark realisation that we have to lump it as it will never get up top if we try to play through the thirds with this lot? |
If it gets us to safety kick them as long as possible. | | | |
| Well... on 09:44 - Dec 30 with 1458 views | daveB |
| Well... on 08:44 - Dec 30 by davman |
This. Shame they can't combine that with ball retention.
Anyone else notice the removal of short goal kicks? I think every one went long...
Is this to do with a stark realisation that we have to lump it as it will never get up top if we try to play through the thirds with this lot? |
Norwich tend to press quite high so made sense to try and beat that with longer goal kicks | | | |
| Well... on 09:44 - Dec 30 with 1451 views | gigiisourgod |
| Well... on 09:21 - Dec 30 by Philothesuperhoop |
Agreed Clive, I would have definitely taken a draw before we started!
The players certainly played for the manager. In fact it looked and felt like a siege mentality.
Lots of positives from the players - keeper, Dickie and centre halves generally. LTC was excellent, so was Chair until he ran out of gas. Plus BOS clearly put in a shift.
However there were also some real worries. What have we done to Dyke. He had a shocking first touch last night, even when he was in the right place, which wasn’t often. I hate to say it - but he offers very very little playing up top for us.
But the biggest issue with this formation (which shows some promise) is the full backs. The system relies on them getting forward and then being able to deliver some decent balls. Neither can do that ....but Kane especially. He was truly awful going forward. He had an ok game in defence but every single time he had the ball he gave it away. Truly shocking. He can’t play there again surely. Who else do we have?! |
This is the thing we have lost so much quality out of this team in the last few years as a fan base we have to remain patient, as challenging as it can be. At the moment the team is not full of proven championship players but if we trust the process, get a little luck along the way, I believe Warburton can keep us up and take this team and club forward. Looking at the quality lost for example, imagine that team with Bidwell (no world beater, but solid championship defender) and Furlong at full backs. Would make a difference. Then add Smithies (no slight on Dieng) and Luongo and Eze and Freeman. There are a lot of good players gone out the door in the last few years and Warburtons remit is to buy/be given talented youngsters he can develop. We have to give him time to allow the development to take place. We all know results have not been good enough and that is the bottom line but reading this message board for the last few weeks you would think we were bottom of the table with no wins to our name and no chance of survival. | | | |
| Well... on 09:45 - Dec 30 with 1438 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Wow I've been named, Gangster
As it goes I did say on the match thread deserve a point in the end, that's giving credit.
But it's not what would or should change my mind over breadman, too many times he has got a get out of jail card
His win/points average is the worst in years.
Let's not forget many of ya were calling for BOS to be dropped, the only one that looked capable of scoring once that non-striker was taken off, don't see many if any
apologising for that.
The miss looked bad but he was trying his hardest to get there and nearly ended up smashing into the goal post, these things happen.
So good result, like IH's bird in a taxi, nothing more.
How many of you hated him. Pah! [Post edited 30 Dec 2020 9:51]
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| Well... on 10:31 - Dec 30 with 1305 views | HantsR |
One thing we need to learn is how to scream whenever we're slightly touched. Does seem to get results. |  | | |
| Well... on 10:36 - Dec 30 with 1282 views | wood_hoop |
Not too often I now make comments on our games nowadays, Clive and many of fellow posters far more coherent and cover many of the things i see, feel, anyway.
After last night's game MW & the team deserves many of the plaudits coming their way, Norwich are not top of the league because they don't know how not to win, if they use there amateur dramatic escapades every game plus a half decent performance its no surprise they are right up there.
The theartrics on show by our 'six fingered friends' may have peeved many but bet their supporters won't lose any sleep if a BAFTA is now awarded alongside the Championship Winners trophy if they do get there.
This was a very good point gained, squad should feel very proud this morning, held a leading contender at bay away from home, only one loss for them so far at home is a good indication of just how hard it is to go to Carrow Road.
Luton only just behind Norwich in the home matches table so another tough tough game ahead, a similar performance will be required, a draw would be a very good result, so MW may be on the cliff edge to a certain extent but if our team gains a point only on Saturday it will to me show that a small step towards better days is on the way.
If we can draw/win then his job should be safe at least until end of the season, and a few bob given for loans.
BOS will wonder how he missed but watching again , the ball did bounce up just before he got there at some pace, so even though it seemed harderer to miss an open goal, as such i am not so sure it was a totally cast open chance spurned. |  | | |
| Well... on 10:41 - Dec 30 with 1257 views | TheChef |
| Well... on 09:21 - Dec 30 by Philothesuperhoop |
Agreed Clive, I would have definitely taken a draw before we started!
The players certainly played for the manager. In fact it looked and felt like a siege mentality.
Lots of positives from the players - keeper, Dickie and centre halves generally. LTC was excellent, so was Chair until he ran out of gas. Plus BOS clearly put in a shift.
However there were also some real worries. What have we done to Dyke. He had a shocking first touch last night, even when he was in the right place, which wasn’t often. I hate to say it - but he offers very very little playing up top for us.
But the biggest issue with this formation (which shows some promise) is the full backs. The system relies on them getting forward and then being able to deliver some decent balls. Neither can do that ....but Kane especially. He was truly awful going forward. He had an ok game in defence but every single time he had the ball he gave it away. Truly shocking. He can’t play there again surely. Who else do we have?! |
Dykes is a conundrum, albeit I think easy to solve as he needs good service from the wings which as you mention we don't currently have.
So playing three at the back gives a little more solidity but then adds to the issues with poor wing backs (and to be honest there aren't many players who play that role well). Hama is still learning his trade so that doesn't help him much; Kane however is 27 years old with over 100 first team appearances and for me is much better going forward then defending so really he should be delivering more. Would be nice if we still had Manning, but that ship has sailed.
I think the current formation is an attempt at a short term fix to try and get some results, once we've steadied the ship then we might revert to a back four; and by that time maybe have a a couple of January signings to improve things too. |  |
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| Well... on 10:47 - Dec 30 with 1238 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Well... on 09:45 - Dec 30 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Wow I've been named, Gangster
As it goes I did say on the match thread deserve a point in the end, that's giving credit.
But it's not what would or should change my mind over breadman, too many times he has got a get out of jail card
His win/points average is the worst in years.
Let's not forget many of ya were calling for BOS to be dropped, the only one that looked capable of scoring once that non-striker was taken off, don't see many if any
apologising for that.
The miss looked bad but he was trying his hardest to get there and nearly ended up smashing into the goal post, these things happen.
So good result, like IH's bird in a taxi, nothing more.
How many of you hated him. Pah! [Post edited 30 Dec 2020 9:51]
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BOS was running down a dead end before he lost his balance for the penalty, looked disinterested before scoring the penalty, fair play great penalty and full of zip after it,
Not sure where you're getting BOS the only one who looked capable of scoring from, can't think of any chances he had or created, the miss was a shocker and not the first time we've seen that from him, down to his poor touch,
Quality first time cross from Adomah may have been what the team was lacking in first 70minutes. | | | |
| Well... on 10:55 - Dec 30 with 1209 views | Hunterhoop |
Strange game. Great to get a point.
I do think it papers over the cracks though.
That first 30 mins of the second half, Norwich could/should have had 3 or 4. There were some excellent last ditch blocks but our shape was a shambles and they were just waltzing through the midfield and working the ball easily around the full backs. A fortuitous disallowed goal (he was behind the player when it was crossed and if it was for the earlier phase...fortuitous. Dickie made a great clearance off the line. Dieng saved Pukki’s 1-2, that unmarked header from 8 yards heading onto the roof off the bet rather than top corner (Barbet playing offside from a cross not closed down whilst 2 of our defenders were marking players behind him)...on another night, we concede more than just a soft pen. But that was evened out by our soft pen. They were both soft and almost identical.
Obviously we had Chair’s chance and BOS’ sitter at the end, but they created chances in the first half too and overall had more. However, you’d expect that and the team battled hard and the defending inside our box was much improved, if not when holding a high line. Dickie comfortably the best. Barbet still almost cost a goal with a moronic bit of defending as outlined above. Dieng excellent.
I don’t think the team have ever stopped playing for MW. I’m not sure many have said that. But I do still think there is division within the squad, as in certain players do not get on and it affects us on the pitch.
Much better performance and result than expected, but a poor 25-30 min at the start of the second half could have seen Norwich out of sight and then the positives of the first half and last 15 would be seen in a very different light. It wasn’t as good a performance as Bournemouth or Watford, IMO. But those two and this one show it’s not player quality that makes us a relegation side. Otherwise regardless of what we do we’d get humped by the good sides. Brentford another example. But like those games, it counts for nothing if we don’t follow it up with beating a lesser side.
So, lots of issues still exist. Pleased to get a point. Pleased for MW and the players. But we have to show we can build on it and beat weaker sides. If we can’t, it’s not much use. |  | | |
| Well... on 10:57 - Dec 30 with 1203 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Well... on 10:47 - Dec 30 by ParkRoyalR |
BOS was running down a dead end before he lost his balance for the penalty, looked disinterested before scoring the penalty, fair play great penalty and full of zip after it,
Not sure where you're getting BOS the only one who looked capable of scoring from, can't think of any chances he had or created, the miss was a shocker and not the first time we've seen that from him, down to his poor touch,
Quality first time cross from Adomah may have been what the team was lacking in first 70minutes. |
So when Dykes misses a sitter it's bad luck, a bad bounce so on, but with BOS it's a shocker/poor touch.
He got a pen from trying, we never see Dykes running into the box with the ball.
By far more disinterested or just a shit striker, don't even need him for pens now. | |
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| Well... on 11:02 - Dec 30 with 1186 views | PinnerPaul |
Not many going to agree but I thought both penalties 'soft', in fact the pull back on Puuki and the risky challenge by Barbet in the first half both more pens than the one given.
Predictably both managers feel they should have won. MW is on the offy and here's Mr F's take on it all
"Bright Osayi-Samuel’s late penalty cancelled out Teemu Pukki’s opener and the City boss believed his team were unlucky with certain refereeing decisions.
“We deserved to win this game,” he said to canaries.co.uk after the match. “We played a game against a brave side. QPR in all the last games haven’t been able to win but they are always dominating possession against the best teams.
“We knew that we were there against a good footballing side today and we needed to press them high. We needed to be on the front foot and we did that.
“We had some good chances in the first-half but were not clinical enough to use them. There were two penalty incidents in the first-half that were both not given.
“In the second-half, it was about being patient and to keep going. The lads did fantastic job on a difficult pitch, QPR were defending with all they had. There were other penalty incidents not given.
“We scored a fantastic team goal with the movement of Teemu and he was ice cold enough to move the ball over to Todd Cantwell. It was an easy tap-in and then the goal was disallowed. The linesman had an idea in this situation to flag it offside.
“We had to play with a third choice goalkeeper in the second-half and the lads dealt well with all these incidents to keep going.
“Then the fourth or fifth incident, we got the penalty and Teemu was ice cold with the penalty.
“We then made one mistake in the whole game and played a too risky pass and lost the duel. We were not greedy enough to win the tackle.
“We tried everything to win this game at the end but there’s no doubt we deserved to win this game.” | | | |
| Well... on 11:06 - Dec 30 with 1169 views | francisbowles |
| Well... on 11:02 - Dec 30 by PinnerPaul |
Not many going to agree but I thought both penalties 'soft', in fact the pull back on Puuki and the risky challenge by Barbet in the first half both more pens than the one given.
Predictably both managers feel they should have won. MW is on the offy and here's Mr F's take on it all
"Bright Osayi-Samuel’s late penalty cancelled out Teemu Pukki’s opener and the City boss believed his team were unlucky with certain refereeing decisions.
“We deserved to win this game,” he said to canaries.co.uk after the match. “We played a game against a brave side. QPR in all the last games haven’t been able to win but they are always dominating possession against the best teams.
“We knew that we were there against a good footballing side today and we needed to press them high. We needed to be on the front foot and we did that.
“We had some good chances in the first-half but were not clinical enough to use them. There were two penalty incidents in the first-half that were both not given.
“In the second-half, it was about being patient and to keep going. The lads did fantastic job on a difficult pitch, QPR were defending with all they had. There were other penalty incidents not given.
“We scored a fantastic team goal with the movement of Teemu and he was ice cold enough to move the ball over to Todd Cantwell. It was an easy tap-in and then the goal was disallowed. The linesman had an idea in this situation to flag it offside.
“We had to play with a third choice goalkeeper in the second-half and the lads dealt well with all these incidents to keep going.
“Then the fourth or fifth incident, we got the penalty and Teemu was ice cold with the penalty.
“We then made one mistake in the whole game and played a too risky pass and lost the duel. We were not greedy enough to win the tackle.
“We tried everything to win this game at the end but there’s no doubt we deserved to win this game.” |
It looked to me, that Cantwell was slightly ahead of the ball when Puki passed it forwards. | | | |
| Well... on 11:07 - Dec 30 with 1163 views | PinnerPaul |
Replying to Clive - yes that would be nice to see some, at least, admission from the negative posts that we have all been guilty of. I'll start with mine and then add a few myths that were dispelled last night.
BOS - Actually looked up for it last night and pleased with his goal - well done him - before the game I wouldn't have played him.
Positives - Players obviously still playing for MW and each other - to suggest otherwise is nonsense - as is the 'League 1 players' accusation.
Negatives - Would try Bonne up top on his own, nothing stuck with Lyndon last night and feel he needs a rest, as does Chair who, although not alone, gave the ball away a lot.
Great point and if we can follow up with 4 points v Luton and Wycombe then things will look a little better before the annual FA Cup capitulation. | | | |
| Well... on 11:27 - Dec 30 with 1078 views | bakerloo8 |
Seen the replays and neither were pens for me, but can dee why the ref gave them - leg out from Ball for that ponce to fall over for theirs and arm on BOS back for him to go down. Both very weak.
Less said about the sitter missed in injury time but I wonder if it's not time to give AA a few games, that was a great cross.
Good point but need to follow up at Luton. |  | | |
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