| Come home Jon De Guzman. 12:43 - Jan 12 with 32294 views | ItchySphincter |
Perfect, inexpensive and interested.
Undo some of the damage of the last 18 months. |  |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 21:07 - Jan 12 with 3239 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 21:00 - Jan 12 by Dr_Winston |
That's the sort of thing Darran would say. |
Nah. Prosser would have said " Do you wanna bum him or summin". [Post edited 12 Jan 2016 21:07]
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 21:08 - Jan 12 with 3229 views | Dr_Winston |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 21:07 - Jan 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Nah. Prosser would have said " Do you wanna bum him or summin". [Post edited 12 Jan 2016 21:07]
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True. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 21:10 - Jan 12 with 3213 views | ItchySphincter |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 20:50 - Jan 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Occasionally. When he wasn't MIA. |
Boooooo. | |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 21:51 - Jan 12 with 3146 views | karnataka |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:30 - Jan 12 by dailew |
Now that Shelvey's gone - definitely.
The Brains Trust need another escape goat to latch on to. |
I thought Taylor was the official escape goat this season. no? JdG can be next season's.
BTW, I'd have JdG back in a hearbeat too. [Post edited 12 Jan 2016 21:52]
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 22:06 - Jan 12 with 3083 views | Starsky |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 21:00 - Jan 12 by Dr_Winston |
That's the sort of thing Darran would say. |
The thing is WOB... Is you and ECB are very articulate and knowledgeable respected posters on this forum.
However, the chink in ECBs armour is he's never seen the swans playing without being sober.
It causes him problems remembering the more subtle skills from the likes of JDG.
His favourite player is Russel Coughlin FFS. He's probably had a pint with him at half time. |  |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 23:00 - Jan 12 with 3004 views | karnataka |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 16:39 - Jan 12 by max936 |
Opinions Ichy, he ended up being sub a lot of the time towards the end of his contract here, did we want him back or didn't he want to stay? I don't know, yes he made impacts in games and scored goals, is he right for us now and would I want him back, not for me sorry. |
Towards the end of his contact when he was more often a sub, a certain Mr Monk was manager. Enough said. There is another thread about when things started to go wrong and just maybe that was an early symptom of the changes that were to take place over the following year. I was disappointed that we made no attempt to retain JdG but Monk clearly had no interest in him or what he offered to our trademark style.
Under Laudrup, with Britton and de Guzman in the side, we had two players instinctively able to find a pocket of space to give whoever had the ball an immediate option of a pass and their constant movement was integral to our fluid football to the extent that it sometimes seemed like we had two extra players on the pitch. | | | |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 00:18 - Jan 13 with 2938 views | Drizzy |
F*ck me the cult of de Guzman is alive and well it seems. Good player for us and unjustly criticised during his time but please STOP portraying as some kind of midfield genius.
De Guzman (at Swansea) averaged 0.3 goals or assists per game.
For comparitive purposes:
Ki averages 0.2 goals or assists per game.
Gylfi averages 0.6 goals or assists per game.
I know he has an intangible effect with his ability to link play but my goodness he just isn't the creative force so many are portraying him as. I'd still have him back but a reality check is in order. |  |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 15:38 - Jan 13 with 2695 views | JBT95 |
De Guzman would be no good for us at the moment in time. He isn't a type of player you want in a relegation scrap for sure. He hardly made a tackle for us in his 2 years here. |  | | |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 16:39 - Jan 13 with 2606 views | VetchitBack |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 18:29 - Jan 12 by ItchySphincter |
Hmmmm....maybe football's not your thing. |
Clearly debating's not yours.
Can you really not see the point I'm making or are you pretending you can't for some sort of effect?
There are plenty of players who offer what JDG offers who will put their body on the line at least in a small way.
I agree with a few that his shirking (not proud of myself for using the word coward) blinded me and probably others to his pros but I really don't think he's going to change things for us at the moment. He's an addition to an already decent and cohesive team I believe. And we aren't at the moment. |  |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 17:20 - Jan 13 with 2546 views | ItchySphincter |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 16:39 - Jan 13 by VetchitBack |
Clearly debating's not yours.
Can you really not see the point I'm making or are you pretending you can't for some sort of effect?
There are plenty of players who offer what JDG offers who will put their body on the line at least in a small way.
I agree with a few that his shirking (not proud of myself for using the word coward) blinded me and probably others to his pros but I really don't think he's going to change things for us at the moment. He's an addition to an already decent and cohesive team I believe. And we aren't at the moment. |
Sigurdsson would be more effective pushed forward with Leon and JdG just behind, then you can play effectively with one striker. You can't do that with Ki in JdG's position, we already have Leon to take the pressure off the midfield and back four so we don't need Ki's sideways and backwards passing or dwelling on the ball - JdG will receive it and push it straight to Gylfi rather than dwell on it or attempt a 30 yard pass/shot like JJS. [Post edited 13 Jan 2016 17:23]
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 12:35 - Jan 14 with 2384 views | JACKARSE |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 17:20 - Jan 13 by ItchySphincter |
Sigurdsson would be more effective pushed forward with Leon and JdG just behind, then you can play effectively with one striker. You can't do that with Ki in JdG's position, we already have Leon to take the pressure off the midfield and back four so we don't need Ki's sideways and backwards passing or dwelling on the ball - JdG will receive it and push it straight to Gylfi rather than dwell on it or attempt a 30 yard pass/shot like JJS. [Post edited 13 Jan 2016 17:23]
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 12:43 - Jan 14 with 2354 views | jasonbromham |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 12:35 - Jan 14 by JACKARSE |
Move looking closer ..... |
Looks like a loan |  | | |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:13 - Jan 14 with 2238 views | CliffTop |
He's had his operation, should be training within 2 weeks, it was for hernia removal...
I'd get him back on loan, add some depth... with Ki struggling for form and Grimes not ready, leaving us with Cork, Britton and Siggy at the moment. | | | |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:19 - Jan 14 with 2210 views | treboethjack |
Sky reporting that a "deal is close" |  |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:26 - Jan 14 with 2176 views | LeonisGod |
Should have happened 18 months ago. Is he still the same player though? Time will tell (assuming it goes ahead).
We need a body in after selling Jonjo and I like him, but one thing's for sure, he's not the messiah. Our troubles run a lot deeper than one central midfielder. |  | | |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:38 - Jan 14 with 2126 views | Dr_Winston |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:26 - Jan 14 by LeonisGod |
Should have happened 18 months ago. Is he still the same player though? Time will tell (assuming it goes ahead).
We need a body in after selling Jonjo and I like him, but one thing's for sure, he's not the messiah. Our troubles run a lot deeper than one central midfielder. |
Undoubtedly. A midfielder we know who can move the ball quickly, pass accurately and create chances will help though. | |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:42 - Jan 14 with 2107 views | LeonisGod |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:38 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
Undoubtedly. A midfielder we know who can move the ball quickly, pass accurately and create chances will help though. |
It will if he's still the same player. I'm not saying he's not but if he hasn't played all season he's going to need time to get match fit at least. Good signing if it comes off, but let's not load too much expectation on him. | | | |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:47 - Jan 14 with 2084 views | JACKARSE |
Curt on JDG
"I think Jonathan's name has come up with the current crop of players, but I'm not sure," said Curtis.
"He may be injured at the moment so I'm not sure if he's available.
"Jonathan served the club well and if he was available, I'm sure we would be interested." | | | |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:53 - Jan 14 with 2060 views | Dr_Winston |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:42 - Jan 14 by LeonisGod |
It will if he's still the same player. I'm not saying he's not but if he hasn't played all season he's going to need time to get match fit at least. Good signing if it comes off, but let's not load too much expectation on him. |
Can't disagree. | |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 14:22 - Jan 14 with 2002 views | Private_Partz |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 13:38 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
Undoubtedly. A midfielder we know who can move the ball quickly, pass accurately and create chances will help though. |
This is what we need as we have lost JJS and Ki is right off form and in great danger of being the latest escaped goat. We are OK for defending midfielders with Leon and Corky but we could do with some extra experience to make sure. The worry for me it's the time he will take to get JDG match fit. A striker will be needed as well if Bafi goes as is being suggested.
Beggers can't be choosers however and there is no doubt that bringing in quality will be difficult in our present predicament. |  |
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| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 14:54 - Jan 14 with 1918 views | icecoldjack |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 19:42 - Jan 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Underrated footballing genius or overrated, lightweight fop. I'm somewhere in the middle, veering more towards the latter purely because of the ridiculous pedestal he's put on by the same people who thought Canas was a better footballer than Britton. Decent player, shithouse. Meh if he comes back but it's not something I'll worry about either way. |
I don't think there has ever been one person on PS who thought Canas was a better player than leon. |  | | |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 14:57 - Jan 14 with 1908 views | icecoldjack |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 23:00 - Jan 12 by karnataka |
Towards the end of his contact when he was more often a sub, a certain Mr Monk was manager. Enough said. There is another thread about when things started to go wrong and just maybe that was an early symptom of the changes that were to take place over the following year. I was disappointed that we made no attempt to retain JdG but Monk clearly had no interest in him or what he offered to our trademark style.
Under Laudrup, with Britton and de Guzman in the side, we had two players instinctively able to find a pocket of space to give whoever had the ball an immediate option of a pass and their constant movement was integral to our fluid football to the extent that it sometimes seemed like we had two extra players on the pitch. |
Thank fook others see it the same as myself. | | | |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 14:59 - Jan 14 with 1900 views | icecoldjack |
| Come home Jon De Guzman. on 00:18 - Jan 13 by Drizzy |
F*ck me the cult of de Guzman is alive and well it seems. Good player for us and unjustly criticised during his time but please STOP portraying as some kind of midfield genius.
De Guzman (at Swansea) averaged 0.3 goals or assists per game.
For comparitive purposes:
Ki averages 0.2 goals or assists per game.
Gylfi averages 0.6 goals or assists per game.
I know he has an intangible effect with his ability to link play but my goodness he just isn't the creative force so many are portraying him as. I'd still have him back but a reality check is in order. |
So better than Ki then, something most of us knew anyway. | | | |
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