| Clarke Carlisle 16:29 - Dec 22 with 20110 views | Fondles |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 15:39 - Dec 24 with 3656 views | big_dave2010 |
| Clarke Carlisle on 08:21 - Dec 24 by sweetcorn |
Here we go! Don't think theres anything to suggest that this was in anyway related to his well documented depression.
What more would you suggest could be done tazzy for players who are leaving the game after living such a hard life of making money most could only dream of, all whilst playing a game many of us PAY ourselves to play at weekend, never mind being paid for the privilege of doing so.
Just imagine how depressed he'd be if he'd retired from playing amateur football if he had to be up at 5 most mornings to do a bit of graft through the day. |
I'm looking forward to tazzy's reply...
Hope Clarke Carlisle makes a good recovery... |  | | |
| Clarke Carlisle on 15:39 - Dec 24 with 3656 views | DomDale |
| Clarke Carlisle on 14:45 - Dec 24 by sweetcorn |
im actually an expert on it and know the cure, its called 'man up' generally administered using the cold side of your hand. |
There might be nothing to suggest Carlisle had intended to do this and it may well be an accident but suggest a clip round the ear and 'manning up' cures depression is utter bollox. One of the biggest causes of death for males u40 in the UK is suicide. One of the biggest problems for the sufferer is the perception that seeking help for the disease is somehow emasculating and I can speak with first hand experience of that.
There's a stat that 1 in 4 adults face a mental health issue such as depression at one time in their life lets hope the docs don't tell you to "man up" if you're affected.
Anyway. Regardless of what has caused Mr Carlisle to become injured I hope he makes a full recovery. |  |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 15:44 - Dec 24 with 3626 views | D_Alien |
| Clarke Carlisle on 14:45 - Dec 24 by sweetcorn |
im actually an expert on it and know the cure, its called 'man up' generally administered using the cold side of your hand. |
Explain post-natal depression, with a full breakdown of all the hormones and their actions on female physiology if you're such a fooking expert
I guess "man up" would be really helpful?
And by the way, don't have kids, it'll destroy you. |  |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 16:12 - Dec 24 with 3549 views | zxcvbnm |
| Clarke Carlisle on 14:45 - Dec 24 by sweetcorn |
im actually an expert on it and know the cure, its called 'man up' generally administered using the cold side of your hand. |
I hope you or a family member or a friend never suffer from depression in the future. Very poor comment |  |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 16:24 - Dec 24 with 3517 views | SuddenLad |
| Clarke Carlisle on 14:45 - Dec 24 by sweetcorn |
im actually an expert on it and know the cure, its called 'man up' generally administered using the cold side of your hand. |
You are either a troll or someone who is so utterly devoid of compassion that you exist on another planet to most others.
As someone who has struggled with varying depths and degrees of depression for most of my adult life, I find your remarks particularly offensive. There is no way ( I hope) that you would ridicule anyone with visible, physical injuries in such a way, nor would you seek to trivialise other illnesses with such a dismissive attitude. People who suffer from clinical depression don't have a choice, there's no quick fix and no amount of wealth or material goods will make any difference to them or their condition.
The social stigma that goes with depression is just another hurdle that people who have the illness need to overcome. I stopped giving a fcuk years ago about what people think. If they care, they will show it. If they don't - well fcuk 'em
You either need to keep your trap shut or educate yourself about matters which you clearly have no idea, but which are prepared to offer an ignorant 'insight'. God forbid that you or your loved ones ever have to endure depression or that you have to deal with it.
Merry Christmas. |  |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 16:26 - Dec 24 with 3511 views | Shun |
| Clarke Carlisle on 14:45 - Dec 24 by sweetcorn |
im actually an expert on it and know the cure, its called 'man up' generally administered using the cold side of your hand. |
Why don't you walk into a cancer ward and tell everyone to just start being healthy again? |  | | |
| Clarke Carlisle on 16:30 - Dec 24 with 3494 views | stomper |
Sweet corn likes to stir it up to grab attention. A truly awful individual who I doubt has done anything meaningful in his life. [Post edited 24 Dec 2014 16:30]
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| Clarke Carlisle on 16:35 - Dec 24 with 3471 views | TalkingSutty |
| Clarke Carlisle on 16:12 - Dec 24 by zxcvbnm |
I hope you or a family member or a friend never suffer from depression in the future. Very poor comment |
Confession time.... I have always regarded myself as a happy go lucky kind of chap and also a very strong minded person, then depression hit me. Life stops and nothing matters and your life quickly goes into a downward spiral, it nearly killed me.
Fortunately there are professional people out there who can help and seven years on i no longer recognise that other person. It wasn't one incident that triggered things but a culmination of events which started at an early age. I used to dismiss the word depression but it's very real and for those who have never suffered be thankful because without help you are knackered.
I used to be embarrassed speaking about it but realised it helps others who might also have problems. If you do suffer, get help because you can't beat it on your own.
On a happier note, Merry Xmas !! |  | | |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 16:36 - Dec 24 with 3465 views | DorsetDale |
| Clarke Carlisle on 10:29 - Dec 24 by D_Alien |
There is causation, it's just that science/medicine has yet to get to the root of it. It can be a genetic predisposition with a biochemical imbalance (see also post-natal depression), or it can be a series of life events or a combination of both. Some people suffer horrendous misfortune but remain generally upbeat.
But you're absolutely right to say that depression is no respecter of wealth, status, looks or ability. I just fear that the "life changing" injuries will leave him in an even worse state of mind than before.
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As you work in the NHS (I think, sorry if I'm wrong), was wondering what your opinion is of the way allopathic medicine attempts to help those unfortunate to have to go through the anguish of all the differing symptoms and conditions that evidence depression?
Have you or any colleagues looked at any of the following studies?
Just googled the page and having not experienced depression and therefor not required help, I have no opinion either way, although I do tend to look for "natural" solutions before entering a GP's surgery.
http://www.naturalnews.com/depression.html | |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 16:37 - Dec 24 with 3457 views | ChaffRAFC |
| Clarke Carlisle on 14:45 - Dec 24 by sweetcorn |
im actually an expert on it and know the cure, its called 'man up' generally administered using the cold side of your hand. |
Nothing more needs to be said. |  |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 16:38 - Dec 24 with 3448 views | Shun |
| Clarke Carlisle on 16:37 - Dec 24 by ChaffRAFC |
Nothing more needs to be said. |
Ricky Gervais stole my line! | | | |
| Clarke Carlisle on 16:48 - Dec 24 with 3419 views | D_Alien |
| Clarke Carlisle on 16:36 - Dec 24 by DorsetDale |
As you work in the NHS (I think, sorry if I'm wrong), was wondering what your opinion is of the way allopathic medicine attempts to help those unfortunate to have to go through the anguish of all the differing symptoms and conditions that evidence depression?
Have you or any colleagues looked at any of the following studies?
Just googled the page and having not experienced depression and therefor not required help, I have no opinion either way, although I do tend to look for "natural" solutions before entering a GP's surgery.
http://www.naturalnews.com/depression.html |
I do work in the NHS although no longer on the frontline.
My opinion is that medicine is far from being an exact science and there are potential treatments and cures that are waiting to be discovered, or in some instances re-discovered. The incredible complexity of human physiology (and one could argue that depression is a physiological symptom that manifests itself through feelings and behaviour) is slowly but surely being unravelled, the difference being that whereas homeopathy can help alleviate symptoms without quite knowing why something works, science is revealing the mechanisms involved, especially now that DNA can be easily sequenced.
I'd distrust any medical practitioner who dismissed allopathic medicine. Doctors have a vested interest in being seen to be omnipotent, and there's also the placebo affect; the simple fact though is that we don't yet know what we don't know! | |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 16:54 - Dec 24 with 3399 views | fitzochris |
| Clarke Carlisle on 14:45 - Dec 24 by sweetcorn |
im actually an expert on it and know the cure, its called 'man up' generally administered using the cold side of your hand. |
One of the worst things I've read on here. Awful, misguided comment that, even if meant as a gag, has missed the mark. |  |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 17:05 - Dec 24 with 3368 views | Shun |
| Clarke Carlisle on 16:36 - Dec 24 by DorsetDale |
As you work in the NHS (I think, sorry if I'm wrong), was wondering what your opinion is of the way allopathic medicine attempts to help those unfortunate to have to go through the anguish of all the differing symptoms and conditions that evidence depression?
Have you or any colleagues looked at any of the following studies?
Just googled the page and having not experienced depression and therefor not required help, I have no opinion either way, although I do tend to look for "natural" solutions before entering a GP's surgery.
http://www.naturalnews.com/depression.html |
I work in the NHS although I don't think I've mentioned it on here. I specialise in mental health among other things, although I do wonder if my interest in it is more to do with the fact that I've struggled with depression and self-injury for most of my life.
A lot of depression, rather than being circumstantial, is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. For that reason I wouldn't like to advise anybody to focus wholly on holistic or herbal remedies rather than medication that is proven to work to varying degrees. I'm not dismissing it completely though, as all depression is different and what may work for one person might not for another. Give it a try but remember not to shy away from a visit to the GP. [Post edited 24 Dec 2014 17:07]
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| Clarke Carlisle on 17:13 - Dec 24 with 3337 views | D_Alien |
| Clarke Carlisle on 17:05 - Dec 24 by Shun |
I work in the NHS although I don't think I've mentioned it on here. I specialise in mental health among other things, although I do wonder if my interest in it is more to do with the fact that I've struggled with depression and self-injury for most of my life.
A lot of depression, rather than being circumstantial, is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. For that reason I wouldn't like to advise anybody to focus wholly on holistic or herbal remedies rather than medication that is proven to work to varying degrees. I'm not dismissing it completely though, as all depression is different and what may work for one person might not for another. Give it a try but remember not to shy away from a visit to the GP. [Post edited 24 Dec 2014 17:07]
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Good advice, but what I'd add is that GPs (like any other practitioners) have their own interests and one GP may be sympathetic and able to look at root causes and either make an onward referral to a specialist or prescribe appropriate medication, whereas another might not. I know this isn't something people want to hear though, and why some people are attracted to an approach that at least purports to be holistic. | |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 17:32 - Dec 24 with 3222 views | Shun |
| Clarke Carlisle on 17:13 - Dec 24 by D_Alien |
Good advice, but what I'd add is that GPs (like any other practitioners) have their own interests and one GP may be sympathetic and able to look at root causes and either make an onward referral to a specialist or prescribe appropriate medication, whereas another might not. I know this isn't something people want to hear though, and why some people are attracted to an approach that at least purports to be holistic. |
Yep, you're absolutely right, D_Alien. | | | |
| Clarke Carlisle on 17:32 - Dec 24 with 3222 views | MoonyDale |
| Clarke Carlisle on 17:05 - Dec 24 by Shun |
I work in the NHS although I don't think I've mentioned it on here. I specialise in mental health among other things, although I do wonder if my interest in it is more to do with the fact that I've struggled with depression and self-injury for most of my life.
A lot of depression, rather than being circumstantial, is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. For that reason I wouldn't like to advise anybody to focus wholly on holistic or herbal remedies rather than medication that is proven to work to varying degrees. I'm not dismissing it completely though, as all depression is different and what may work for one person might not for another. Give it a try but remember not to shy away from a visit to the GP. [Post edited 24 Dec 2014 17:07]
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Interesting, I have suffered from Bipolar/manic depression since my late teens and have been diagnosed with PTSD also, self injury has become a way of life and severe depression with those same suicidal urges as Clarke Carlisle are natural for me. The violent outbursts against others have been controlled by the use of self injury and medication to some extent, better to take the anger out on oneself than someone else....However after many years of psychotherapy, CBT, EMDR. I am now reliant on just the medication for my symptoms. Nothing has worked so far but I have not tried anything Holistic in nature.....The comment about "Manning up" from our very own resident troll is just about what you would expect and is both ignorant and ill informed. My thoughts go out to Clarke Carlisle and his family who must be going through hell at the moment.... |  |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 19:18 - Dec 24 with 3099 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Clarke Carlisle on 17:32 - Dec 24 by MoonyDale |
Interesting, I have suffered from Bipolar/manic depression since my late teens and have been diagnosed with PTSD also, self injury has become a way of life and severe depression with those same suicidal urges as Clarke Carlisle are natural for me. The violent outbursts against others have been controlled by the use of self injury and medication to some extent, better to take the anger out on oneself than someone else....However after many years of psychotherapy, CBT, EMDR. I am now reliant on just the medication for my symptoms. Nothing has worked so far but I have not tried anything Holistic in nature.....The comment about "Manning up" from our very own resident troll is just about what you would expect and is both ignorant and ill informed. My thoughts go out to Clarke Carlisle and his family who must be going through hell at the moment.... |
Very open and brave post Moony - hope you don't mind me saying that.
The issues caused by Bipolar and the potential effectsa of long term manic spells are awful - and the fact you can be open about it and that nobody has a clue from your posts shows your doing fine mate.
Depression can hit anyone suddenly and very hard and VVankers like Sweetcorn need a ban for the ignorant crap he posts - Is stress a man up disease too sweetcorn?
Inteligence has been linked to depression so thankfully Sweetcorn should be ok - the Bell-End! |  |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 19:37 - Dec 24 with 3068 views | dalenumber2 |
| Clarke Carlisle on 14:45 - Dec 24 by sweetcorn |
im actually an expert on it and know the cure, its called 'man up' generally administered using the cold side of your hand. |
Shame on you!
Sad to see such ignorance on here. [Post edited 24 Dec 2014 19:38]
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| Clarke Carlisle on 20:08 - Dec 24 with 3031 views | nordenblue |
Not in the least bit surprising | | | |
| Clarke Carlisle on 20:09 - Dec 24 with 3027 views | DomDale |
This thread has turned into a bit of a love in between us folk who need to man up.
Merry Xmas you miserable tvvatts ;)! | |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 20:12 - Dec 24 with 3025 views | nordenblue |
| Clarke Carlisle on 16:48 - Dec 24 by D_Alien |
I do work in the NHS although no longer on the frontline.
My opinion is that medicine is far from being an exact science and there are potential treatments and cures that are waiting to be discovered, or in some instances re-discovered. The incredible complexity of human physiology (and one could argue that depression is a physiological symptom that manifests itself through feelings and behaviour) is slowly but surely being unravelled, the difference being that whereas homeopathy can help alleviate symptoms without quite knowing why something works, science is revealing the mechanisms involved, especially now that DNA can be easily sequenced.
I'd distrust any medical practitioner who dismissed allopathic medicine. Doctors have a vested interest in being seen to be omnipotent, and there's also the placebo affect; the simple fact though is that we don't yet know what we don't know! |
Some very good points in your posts D A and some honest responses, well done to all concerned. Just a shame some people on here are either that thick or totally misguided to post ridiculouly outrageous comments in order to gain a reaction, very sad | | | |
| Clarke Carlisle on 22:05 - Dec 24 with 2945 views | dalebolt |
Just goes to show how many people are affected by this awful illness. Some good honest responses! As for sweetcorn I'd love him to feel the cold part of my hand across his chops!  |  | | |
| Clarke Carlisle on 22:09 - Dec 24 with 2935 views | SuddenLad |
| Clarke Carlisle on 22:05 - Dec 24 by dalebolt |
Just goes to show how many people are affected by this awful illness. Some good honest responses! As for sweetcorn I'd love him to feel the cold part of my hand across his chops! |
I wouldn't waste your time. Where there's no sense, there's no feeling. | |
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| Clarke Carlisle on 22:11 - Dec 24 with 2931 views | dalebolt |
| Clarke Carlisle on 22:09 - Dec 24 by SuddenLad |
I wouldn't waste your time. Where there's no sense, there's no feeling. |
True indeed!!! | | | |
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