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How strange that Thomas Hitzlsperger had to wait for retirement to announce he is gay.
Michael Johnson then stepped down from his position on the Football Association’s Inclusion Advisory Board after footage emerged of him describing homosexuality as ‘detestable’.....he has hidden behind his religious beliefs....so Sky news say.
Johnson held a position on an inclusion advisory board but makes comments like that!!
Alex, who now plays for PSG is said to have told French channel Canal+, in a programme to be aired tonight on religion in football: "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Yves". in response to Hitzlsperger's announcement.
Long way to go for equality I think
Good times become good memories......bad times become lessons
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Equality in football on 10:51 - Jan 10 with 1193 views
Think that says more about you than him … This post did get me thinking though .. as a child I didn't know the term 'homosexual' but did know pouf, queer, shirt lifter, nancie-boy and was taught (thanks dad) they were all to be hated and were 'kiddie fiddlers' - this was an attitude to be held against anyone who was in any way 'less than manly'. Similar attitudes were held against non-whites, Jews, Catholics, toffs (who were automatically poufs!), men who cried, the Welsh (well, he was born and bred Hafod).And, it did hurt to be called a 'pansy' for not beating up a friend who had accidentally broken my toy gun. Attitudes towards homosexuality were endorsed by attitudes of the day and enshrined in law. Luckily, the old man also taught me to be my own person and think for myself hence my more liberal outlook on life. People's lifestyle (as long as it's not anti-social or hurtful) is a matter for themselves, colour and lifestyle doesn't bother me although many aspects of organised religion does. Attitudes take time to change and passing a law in 1967 (1980 in Scotland, 1982 in Northern Ireland) doesn't, overnight, change attitudes entrenched in by thousands of years Judeo-Christian authority and it will probably take many generations to really change attitudes. People's differences will always be used by some to taunt. belittle and upset, it's human nature; in my opinion, we need to rise above this in order to evolve. Finally, when I was looking for the date of law change I noticed this snippet:- 1985
'South Wales miners joined the Pride march to thank lesbians and gay men who supported them during the coalminers strike.' - maybe the marginalised in society should help each other out more often.
I would be interested to know what the Gay Planet swans community fans think of it?
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Equality in football on 11:12 - Jan 10 with 1149 views
Equality in football on 10:23 - Jan 10 by Uxbridge
Well it's not a fact, it's a choice. A tough one either way, but still a choice.
I can't fathom Dav's line of argument that he can't understand why a homosexual in the public eye has to declare it. It's pretty self-evident. I rather think most in football would find it a relief if a high-profile player actually outed themselves ... in terms of sheer statistics, many surely are and to remove the question from the discussion would be a pretty big step forward. I don't think Hitzlsperger has been particularly brave or moved the discussion on all that much really ... would have had 100 times more impact if he'd done so a few years earlier.
As for le Saux, he might be a bit of a whinging grauniad reading bore but I found that article rather interesting. Partly because it confirmed my thoughts on the likes of Townsend and Savage (there's an irony on the latter eh), partly because Gwyn Williams fancied himself as a Windsor Davies but partly because it can't have been much fun for him and it was interesting to read his opinion. Frankly it was straight-out bullying on an industrial scale. Quite horrid really. I think football, and society, have moved on from then ... while things would still be said, the spite would have gone for the majority.
As regards Le Saux, Ux, the fact he didn't fit in, he felt out of place, is hardly a surprise when you think about it in the most obvious terms. It was class-dislocation. He in the Chelsea dressing room was a fish out of water. Like an Old Wykehamist in Wormwood Scrubs. On the building sites and in the steelworks or army the piss-taking between colleagues is brutal at times. It's the norm and everybody cops it. It makes the day go quicker and the work seem lighter.
But Le Saux hasn't sprung from that working milieu. He's not accustomed to that sort of sharp-edged banter, it's completely outside of his frame of reference. It could very well have been the case that what he has taken as cruel taunting was just Townsend and Williams trying to make him feel one of the boys, not alienate him?
We've only read one side of the story after all.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Equality in football on 11:14 - Jan 10 with 1140 views
Equality in football on 11:12 - Jan 10 by Lohengrin
As regards Le Saux, Ux, the fact he didn't fit in, he felt out of place, is hardly a surprise when you think about it in the most obvious terms. It was class-dislocation. He in the Chelsea dressing room was a fish out of water. Like an Old Wykehamist in Wormwood Scrubs. On the building sites and in the steelworks or army the piss-taking between colleagues is brutal at times. It's the norm and everybody cops it. It makes the day go quicker and the work seem lighter.
But Le Saux hasn't sprung from that working milieu. He's not accustomed to that sort of sharp-edged banter, it's completely outside of his frame of reference. It could very well have been the case that what he has taken as cruel taunting was just Townsend and Williams trying to make him feel one of the boys, not alienate him?
Equality in football on 11:12 - Jan 10 by Lohengrin
As regards Le Saux, Ux, the fact he didn't fit in, he felt out of place, is hardly a surprise when you think about it in the most obvious terms. It was class-dislocation. He in the Chelsea dressing room was a fish out of water. Like an Old Wykehamist in Wormwood Scrubs. On the building sites and in the steelworks or army the piss-taking between colleagues is brutal at times. It's the norm and everybody cops it. It makes the day go quicker and the work seem lighter.
But Le Saux hasn't sprung from that working milieu. He's not accustomed to that sort of sharp-edged banter, it's completely outside of his frame of reference. It could very well have been the case that what he has taken as cruel taunting was just Townsend and Williams trying to make him feel one of the boys, not alienate him?
We've only read one side of the story after all.
Make him feel one of the boys? It's not though, is it. It's picking on the quiet kid in the corner. That's all a bit different from being completely different to your teammates. Wouldn't argue that he may not have helped himself though.
Equality in football on 11:23 - Jan 10 by Uxbridge
Make him feel one of the boys? It's not though, is it. It's picking on the quiet kid in the corner. That's all a bit different from being completely different to your teammates. Wouldn't argue that he may not have helped himself though.
They used to pick on me all the time in work for having long hair,one fella used to call me Darrette.
I shouldn't have said that I know.
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They used to pick on me all the time in work for having long hair,one fella used to call me Darrette.
I shouldn't have said that I know.
I can well imagine the sh!t you would have taken off the old boys when you were doing your apprenticeship. In their eyes being young and clueless would have been enough to put you in the firing line, the same as they had been forty years previous, but you had to go there with hair like Rita Hayworth as well!
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Equality in football on 11:42 - Jan 10 with 1088 views
Equality in football on 11:40 - Jan 10 by Lohengrin
I can well imagine the sh!t you would have taken off the old boys when you were doing your apprenticeship. In their eyes being young and clueless would have been enough to put you in the firing line, the same as they had been forty years previous, but you had to go there with hair like Rita Hayworth as well!
They were really beastly in the 80s when I had a perm too.
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Equality in football on 11:23 - Jan 10 by Uxbridge
Make him feel one of the boys? It's not though, is it. It's picking on the quiet kid in the corner. That's all a bit different from being completely different to your teammates. Wouldn't argue that he may not have helped himself though.
If he really was that unhappy he could very easily have moved clubs. As I said earlier he was a cracking player and there would have been no shortage of takers. He seems to have gone out of his way to paint a very bleak picture, it would be interesting to hear what his team mates made of him in return.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Equality in football on 11:48 - Jan 10 with 1071 views
Hitzelsperger should have said something when it mattered, or not at all. Waiting til he retired looks like the easy way out to me. No other gay footballers will be encouraged to be true to themselves by this. They may well feel they have to wait, to live the lie. No one should have to live a lie.
I pretty much agree with Davillin, live and let live. I don't care if somebody is homosexual or lesbian, just that they are decent people. Or good at their jobs, if that's how I meet them.
So what you're asking is what's wrong with homophobia?
To be fair, there is a big difference between being a homophobic and saying you don't like it or disagree with it, surely ? Personally, I couldn't give a flying f*ck what 2 consenting adults get up to in private....whether they be male, female or other.
sorry, I retract the previous comments, no need for personal attacks, bad 5 minutes :)
Sometimes the words in my head get so bored they escape for a stroll through my keyboard!!
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Not to worry, no offence taken whasoever. Don't go falling into the trap of taking anything on here remotely seriously. None of it matters; it's all fluff, will-o-the-wisp.
I'm here most of the the time like the man in the Python sketch who's come for an argument.
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Equality in football on 13:07 - Jan 10 with 1007 views
Equality in football on 13:02 - Jan 10 by Flashberryjack
To be fair, there is a big difference between being a homophobic and saying you don't like it or disagree with it, surely ? Personally, I couldn't give a flying f*ck what 2 consenting adults get up to in private....whether they be male, female or other.
Other? From South Glamorgan, you mean?
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Equality in football on 13:07 - Jan 10 with 1007 views
Equality in football on 11:45 - Jan 10 by Lohengrin
If he really was that unhappy he could very easily have moved clubs. As I said earlier he was a cracking player and there would have been no shortage of takers. He seems to have gone out of his way to paint a very bleak picture, it would be interesting to hear what his team mates made of him in return.
Not sure moving the victim on is ever a particularly good answer to a problem.
Equality in football on 13:34 - Jan 10 by Uxbridge
Not sure moving the victim on is ever a particularly good answer to a problem.
It's a job at the end of the day, Ux. That's all we're talking about. If you or I were desperately unhappy at our workplace and were suitably qualified and able to work elsewhere then I dare say we'd exercise that option.
I could be wrong, of course, but I can't help but feel he may have been guilding the lilly a bit in that piece.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Equality in football on 17:19 - Jan 10 with 920 views
Equality in football on 10:23 - Jan 10 by Uxbridge
Well it's not a fact, it's a choice. A tough one either way, but still a choice.
I can't fathom Dav's line of argument that he can't understand why a homosexual in the public eye has to declare it. It's pretty self-evident. I rather think most in football would find it a relief if a high-profile player actually outed themselves ... in terms of sheer statistics, many surely are and to remove the question from the discussion would be a pretty big step forward. I don't think Hitzlsperger has been particularly brave or moved the discussion on all that much really ... would have had 100 times more impact if he'd done so a few years earlier.
As for le Saux, he might be a bit of a whinging grauniad reading bore but I found that article rather interesting. Partly because it confirmed my thoughts on the likes of Townsend and Savage (there's an irony on the latter eh), partly because Gwyn Williams fancied himself as a Windsor Davies but partly because it can't have been much fun for him and it was interesting to read his opinion. Frankly it was straight-out bullying on an industrial scale. Quite horrid really. I think football, and society, have moved on from then ... while things would still be said, the spite would have gone for the majority.
I guess the reason you can't fathom my question of why he "has to declare it" is based on a basic disagreement.
You believe that "...to remove the question from the discussion would be a pretty big step forward." It appears to me that in this case, his raising the question just irritated the issue, not moved any discussion forward.
[Parenthetically, I have no idea why he thought he needed to "out" himself, although that might be germane.]
Recently over here, we had a representative of a vigorously activist pro-gay organization [GLAAD] go ragingly apoplectic [I watched the explosion live on TV - his face was beet-red and his eyes were popping out] because a TV personality answered a question in a magazine interview to the effect that he accepted the biblical view on homosexuality.
I don't understand why either one had to make public statements on it, but I am totally perplexed at why someone would be completely intolerant of someone else's religious views in order to attack that person's alleged intolerance of his own sexual preference views.
Live and let live. C'mon everybody. It's the only way.
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