| offside but played onside 16:24 - Jan 14 with 987 views | sledger |
can any referees or experts clear this up for me.This is one incident which happens all the time,it involved harry maguire who touched a through pass to a player in an offside position thus potentially in the eyes of the law played him onside although on this occasion it wasnt deemed onside on many occasions it is.My argument is that the linesman flags if the player is in an offside position the moment it leaves the passers foot therfore the ball is dead from that moment on so why the contraversy over the defender touching it as hes entitled to,l just dont get it. |  | | |  |
| offside but played onside on 16:33 - Jan 14 with 951 views | PatfromPoole |
The main rule here is that if Southampton are attacking, then it will be given offside. |  |
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| offside but played onside on 17:01 - Jan 14 with 895 views | saint901 |
It's one of those subjective things.
If Maguire had missed the ball completely = offside
If he tried to reach the ball but failed to control it = offside
If the ball was played "slowly" from a distance and he scuffed it into the feet of the forward = onside. | | | |
| offside but played onside on 17:41 - Jan 14 with 864 views | arfurdent |
| offside but played onside on 16:33 - Jan 14 by PatfromPoole |
The main rule here is that if Southampton are attacking, then it will be given offside. |
Written large on tablets of stone! |  |
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| offside but played onside on 18:50 - Jan 14 with 786 views | sledger |
| offside but played onside on 17:41 - Jan 14 by arfurdent |
Written large on tablets of stone! |
my issue is the lino gives offside from when the ball is played forward,nothing is subjective after that its fact,we really know how to complicate simple rules | | | |
| offside but played onside on 19:15 - Jan 14 with 763 views | pjt50 |
Just standing in an offside position when the ball is played isn't an offence so isn't flagged. You often see players not going for a ball because they know they would be pulled up for offside if they did.
“A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play” (LOTG 11.2) | |
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| offside but played onside on 20:09 - Jan 14 with 715 views | kingslandstand1 |
| offside but played onside on 19:15 - Jan 14 by pjt50 |
Just standing in an offside position when the ball is played isn't an offence so isn't flagged. You often see players not going for a ball because they know they would be pulled up for offside if they did.
“A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play” (LOTG 11.2) |
“A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play” (LOTG 11.2)
Or surely "interfering with play" ie - blocking the keepers view of the ball or something.
But I can see where Sledger is coming from. In that particular instance I would have said it was offside cos I believe he was when the ball was initially kicked despite McGuire getting in the way? |  | | |
| offside but played onside on 09:52 - Jan 15 with 579 views | SouthSeaSaint |
On another point for those who understand the Laws Of The Game:
is the non direct free kick for obstruction now a thing of the past
Likewise handball against 'keepers when kicking out of hand when their feet and the ball are outside the penalty area | | | |
| offside but played onside on 14:14 - Jan 15 with 486 views | saint901 |
I think the obstruction rule exists but there has been a shift in how refs are interpreting physical contact.
It seems that if the ball is not within playing distance, then pretty much any form of wrestling is allowed to go (including at corners) and I suspect that this is why obstruction is rarely given these days.
Blatantly blocking off a run is often pulled up and results in a booking. | | | |
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| offside but played onside on 14:20 - Jan 15 with 477 views | saint901 |
Keepers can kick a ball anywhere on the pitch.
The assumption is that the ball leaves the keeper's hand inside the area but is kicked outside the area then it's not handball. | | | |
| offside but played onside on 14:35 - Jan 15 with 464 views | dirk_doone |
| offside but played onside on 16:33 - Jan 14 by PatfromPoole |
The main rule here is that if Southampton are attacking, then it will be given offside. |
It's not only Saints who suffer from unfair refereeing decisions. In nearly all of the matches I've watched this season at every level, the officials have erred in favour of the bigger club. This was particularly evident in the FA Cup match between Tamworth and Spurs, which Tamworth would have won if the referee Peter Bankes hadn't decided that Spurs would. For example, at 0-0 a Tamworth forward was shoulder charged in the back by a Spurs player who made no attempt to play the ball. The referee waved play on. Spurs then ran up to the other end and a Tamworth defender did a legal shoulder to shoulder charge and the referee immediately awarded a free-kick from which Spurs scored. It was very clear favouritism. To make matters worse, Drăgușin was finally given a yellow card after committing a series of dangerous fouls, and then he committed 2 further yellow card offences. Bankes didn't want to reduce Spurs to 10 men so he left him on.
It's big club + referee vs smaller club.
On another note, how much longer can Cucurella be allowed to get away with his persistent cheating? I'm pretty sure that if he played for a smaller club than Chelsea, he'd have been in serious disciplinary trouble by now: a deserved lengthy suspension. [Post edited 15 Jan 15:16]
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| offside but played onside on 16:23 - Jan 15 with 397 views | PatfromPoole |
| offside but played onside on 14:35 - Jan 15 by dirk_doone |
It's not only Saints who suffer from unfair refereeing decisions. In nearly all of the matches I've watched this season at every level, the officials have erred in favour of the bigger club. This was particularly evident in the FA Cup match between Tamworth and Spurs, which Tamworth would have won if the referee Peter Bankes hadn't decided that Spurs would. For example, at 0-0 a Tamworth forward was shoulder charged in the back by a Spurs player who made no attempt to play the ball. The referee waved play on. Spurs then ran up to the other end and a Tamworth defender did a legal shoulder to shoulder charge and the referee immediately awarded a free-kick from which Spurs scored. It was very clear favouritism. To make matters worse, Drăgușin was finally given a yellow card after committing a series of dangerous fouls, and then he committed 2 further yellow card offences. Bankes didn't want to reduce Spurs to 10 men so he left him on.
It's big club + referee vs smaller club.
On another note, how much longer can Cucurella be allowed to get away with his persistent cheating? I'm pretty sure that if he played for a smaller club than Chelsea, he'd have been in serious disciplinary trouble by now: a deserved lengthy suspension. [Post edited 15 Jan 15:16]
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| offside but played onside on 21:20 - Jan 15 with 331 views | sledger |
| offside but played onside on 19:15 - Jan 14 by pjt50 |
Just standing in an offside position when the ball is played isn't an offence so isn't flagged. You often see players not going for a ball because they know they would be pulled up for offside if they did.
“A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play” (LOTG 11.2) |
i understand the not active side of offside but if hes stood in an offside position and is interfering with play then he is offside the moment the ball is played forward is he not or am i just dumb,as such any touch after the offside should be of no interest | | | |
| offside but played onside on 22:55 - Jan 15 with 291 views | pjt50 |
| offside but played onside on 21:20 - Jan 15 by sledger |
i understand the not active side of offside but if hes stood in an offside position and is interfering with play then he is offside the moment the ball is played forward is he not or am i just dumb,as such any touch after the offside should be of no interest |
Interference means “becoming involved in active play“. This could be by playing the ball or interfering in some way with an opponent. Until that happens - including the time when an opponent's touch may play them onside - no offence has been committed.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11 | |
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| offside but played onside on 10:58 - Jan 16 with 174 views | saint901 |
Football has a number of rules which are the subjective opinion of the ref at the time. This adds to the spontaneity of the game and fuels passion and debate.
Games like rugby in which more or less every player interaction with ball or other players is regulated to the nth degree and as consequence the whistle seems to go every 30 seconds.
So do we want a game that has subjective decision making or one in which the uncertainty is removed by the laws? | | | |
| offside but played onside on 13:57 - Jan 16 with 131 views | sledger |
wow dont we make a simple rule complicated,its no wonder the officials make so many mistakes. | | | |
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